Could you show me some samples of unadjusted shots with cold strobes? It would be ideal if there was also a shot of the same subject with warm ones for comparison.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 01:30 PM
Please forgive me for saying so, but I believe the notion that strobe temp affects ambient is real strange The predications for such a suggestion demand that everyone does, will or must enjoy only warmer light on subjects. It's really that simple. The opinion that *strobe color temp affects water color* is valid, for everyone else, only upon the condition that a person who likes warm temp on subjects all the time, for some reason goes out and buys cooler strobes and has a preference for water color that isn't dissimilar to Alex's.
It does not sound strange at all,
That's correct. But I think "nice" is relative----or better said: personal. I am not a big fan of the blue-screen blue that seems to be the rage on these forums. It is striking, but I don't find it necessarily pleasing.
What I understood is that if I'm happy with colder look of subjects than background remains nice (no need to adjust WB).
You may find that you like different temps for different shooting scenarios. I like warm strobe for macro and cooler for wide angle (note: I do not prefer a warm strobe for wide angle), so I carry both Inons and Ikes providing temp options as well as backups.
My problem is I'm not sure if I like colder look of subjects or not. I need to see some samples to get own my opinion. I cannot make up my mind if I should get DS-125's or INONs (I love their compact size).
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 02:02 PM
Hello James, I thank you for the comments.
If you shoot a 4300K strobe and set your white balance to 4300, you will end up w/ a "properly" exposed foreground and a certain colored water.
If you shoot a 5500K strobe and set your white balance to 5500, you will end up w/ a "properly" exposed foreground and a certain differently colored water.
Posted 16 September 2006 - 05:05 PM
James, as another 1D series user, what white balance temperature does ACR indicate if you use the 'white dropper' on a neutral in the foreground? I find the ACR indication to be way lower than I'd expect. Just curious as to why this should be rather than bothered (I'm using Seacam 100s - like Subtronic Gammas).
Posted 18 September 2006 - 02:06 AM
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Posted 18 September 2006 - 02:56 PM
What Alex said in his article is that you set a cooler WB to capture a bluer ambient background water and the warmer temp strobe will compensate to produce a not-as-cool artificially lit foreground. It's a simple measure that has been around for a long time. Shoot a bluer-biased film for blue water and then light the foreground with a warm strobe to compensate for the blue bias. I heard this in seminars given by Marty Snyderman, Frank Fennel and, I believe, one by Paul Tzimoulis years and years ago. And that is a photographic strategy that I have no argument with. It works. And Alex is as correct today as those three men were two decades ago. I am also quite certain I have read articles, from years ago, by Stephen Frink discussing the matching of strobe temps and emulsions for rendering bluer backgrounds with warmer foregrounds. Velvia and SB-104? It's really old and proven techniques.
To comment on WB. If you shoot RAW then white balance for the foreground (stobe lit) subject matter, then the colour temperature of the strobe WILL affect the water colour. If on the other hand you white balance for a warm foreground with a warm colour temperature strobe, then it won't. But it depends on your preferences.
Posted 18 September 2006 - 10:55 PM
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Posted 19 September 2006 - 01:57 AM
Even more odd, if I set my 5D to K WB and set it to 4800. When I open up the raw up in ACR. ACR says the "as shot" WB is 4300?
D300, D7000, D7100. 10.5, 10-17, 16, 10-20, 17-70, 60, 105, 150 Hugyfots, Issota, Subtronic Novas, Seacams 350, YS250s, YS-D1s
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Posted 19 September 2006 - 09:45 AM
Then don't say they do. There are people who may read in on this forum from time time looking, but not asking, for info. And somebody who possibly doesn't have your depth of understanding on this point may be caused to believe he/she has to get a warm strobe in order to obtain deeper blues.
Manaul, Strobes don't do anything to any color.
Posted 19 September 2006 - 11:46 AM
We seem to be arguing over semantics.
The only thing that will change water colour is the WB.
Posted 19 September 2006 - 11:50 AM