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#61 SwiftFF5

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 03:29 AM

@bubffm - thanks, yes, I guess to sell housings, they need to generate some excitement about the camera that goes in the housing.

 

So, for someone coming from the AX100, how hard was it to get used to the ergonomics of the GH5?  I really like being able to go from shark or turtle-sized portraits, down to macro stuff on the same dive by zooming and using a flip in wet lens.  Having one button white balance on my right side handle is also really nice.  Anything else that you can offer on the change from a dedicated camcorder to a mirrorless camera doing video?  Thanks!


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 06:30 AM

So, for someone coming from the AX100, how hard was it to get used to the ergonomics of the GH5? 

 

Let me put it this way: If I could get a AX700-sized camcorder with the specs of the GH5 and a fitting housing by Gates or Nauticam, I'd definitely prefer a dedicated camcorder over the GH5 for its easy of use and better ergonomics.  But you get used to the trade-off's of a photo-centric camera body.

 

 

 I really like being able to go from shark or turtle-sized portraits, down to macro stuff on the same dive by zooming and using a flip in wet lens. 

 

My view: You can go from whale-sharks down to nudis on the same dive much easier with a camcorder due to the build-in zoom lens and macro-converters that you can swivel simply over the domeport. You could use wet-converters on the GH5 to achieve the same (Nauticam WWL with Bayonet mount etc..) but its somewhat more cumbersome. An yes, sometimes you miss shots on changeable lens system as you got the "wrong" lens on.

 

Having one button white balance on my right side handle is also really nice. 

 

You have manual WB right at your fingertips on the GH5 housing from Nauticam as well. More important is the quality of the WB you get underwater. Personally, I think Panasonic wins this over Sony.

 

There are now a couple test clips taken by the AX700 (or Z90, which fits the same Gates housing) on Youtube.

 

Have a look at this guys clips. he is a sort of "Gates Ambassador".  I have seen better UW-footage taken with the GH5, but let me know what you think.  

 

https://www.youtube....c7HFmFwSy40Nt4g


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:45 AM

[t-quote name="bubffm" post="396645" timestamp="1529591448"] [t-quote name="SwiftFF5" post="396641" timestamp="1529580542"]

So, for someone coming from the AX100, how hard was it to get used to the ergonomics of the GH5? [/t-quote]
 
Let me put it this way: If I could get a AX700-sized camcorder with the specs of the GH5 and a fitting housing by Gates or Nauticam, I'd definitely prefer a dedicated camcorder over the GH5 for its easy of use and better ergonomics.  But you get used to the trade-off's of a photo-centric camera body. [/t-quote]

 

Yes, that would be ideal, wouldn't it?  That is my dilemma, I guess.  I want the image quality, plus the ease of use and flexibility at the same time.  I'm afraid that my OCD is starting to get the best of me.
 
 [t-quote name="bubffm" post="396645" timestamp="1529591448"] [t-quote name="SwiftFF5" post="396641" timestamp="1529580542"]
 I really like being able to go from shark or turtle-sized portraits, down to macro stuff on the same dive by zooming and using a flip in wet lens. [/t-quote]
 
My view: You can go from whale-sharks down to nudis on the same dive much easier with a camcorder due to the build-in zoom lens and macro-converters that you can swivel simply over the domeport. You could use wet-converters on the GH5 to achieve the same (Nauticam WWL with Bayonet mount etc..) but its somewhat more cumbersome. An yes, sometimes you miss shots on changeable lens system as you got the "wrong" lens on. [/t-quote]

 

I miss shots anyway, I don't need any help with that!  :fool:

 

[t-quote name="bubffm" post="396645" timestamp="1529591448"] [t-quote name="SwiftFF5" post="396641" timestamp="1529580542"]

Having one button white balance on my right side handle is also really nice. [/t-quote]
 
You have manual WB right at your fingertips on the GH5 housing from Nauticam as well. More important is the quality of the WB you get underwater. Personally, I think Panasonic wins this over Sony. [/t-quote]
 

That is good to hear.  Thanks.

 

[t-quote name="bubffm" post="396645" timestamp="1529591448"] There are now a couple test clips taken by the AX700 (or Z90, which fits the same Gates housing) on Youtube.
 
Have a look at this guys clips. he is a sort of "Gates Ambassador".  I have seen better UW-footage taken with the GH5, but let me know what you think.  
 
https://www.youtube....7HFmFwSy40Nt4g [/t-quote]

 

Well, it would appear that the AX700 is actually quite a bit better at white balancing than the AX100, at least based on those side by side comparisons.  There is much less of that green color that was so hard to remove.

 

Again, I really do appreciate your help and comments.  My desire to have it all at the same time, along with my tendencies to over-research and agonize over a decision like this is making it tough to decide which way to go.  Thanks for your tolerance, and patience with my endless questions.


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 04:10 AM

I'm not sure why the formatting isn't working - sorry that my post is so hard to read.


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:09 AM

Whatever route you go between those two, you‘ll end up owning some great kit.

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:11 AM

Whatever route you go between those two, you‘ll end up owning some great kit.

 

That's a good ;point, thanks bubffm.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experience regarding the Panasonic/Leica 12-60 lens for underwater use?  They are selling it as a package with the GH5 now for a pretty good price and it looks good on paper, but I have not seen anything on it for underwater use yet.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 05:27 AM

Not seen anyone using the 12-60 underwater. By the time you add the gear needed for that lens, you maybe better off looking at the Pana 12-35, which new is a bit more expensive but works great underwater - if 12mm on the wide end is ok for you. Otherwise, or in addition, the 7-14 WA. The Pana 8-18 is also great and sits in the middle between the 7-14 and 12-35, but only really works well in the 180 glass dome with step-up adapter, therefore a more pricey option.

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:56 AM

I had the 12-35mm panasonic a great lens but focal range not great on land. 70mm equivalent is too short. So I got rid of it as I already have the 14-42mm and got the Leica 12-60mm.
This takes the 7 plastic dome or the 180mm glass. You need to check if you can zoom through the range if you shoot video you also have tele mode that makes the tele end 168mm that is pretty good. And then consider no diopters possible.
Looking at the shape of the 12-60mm the focussing distance does change when you zoom and the lens extends a bit so would check with nauticam if you can zoom through
And also get the leica lens not the panasonic as it is too slow to use on land


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Posted 05 July 2018 - 03:14 AM

Thanks Interceptor121.  I had not realized that it would not be possible to use flip in diopters with this lens.  This is becoming quite the education for me.


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Posted 27 July 2018 - 12:06 PM

To update this thread, I thought that I would let you all know that I have placed on order (with one of the vendors that supports this site) for a Panasonic GH-5 with a Nauticam housing, 14-42 PZ power zoom lens, plus a Nauticam WWL-1, as well as an extra bayonet mount for my current Subsea +5 diopter, so that in theory anyway, I can go from wide angle to macro on the same dive.  I also sprung for a SmallHD-502 Bright, with housing as well, so that maybe I will be able to see and frame my videos properly.  It ended up being somewhat more than I had intended to spend, but I think that it will be worth it to get the capabilities that I need.  I should probably get a new case to carry all this, but I want to set it all out and see what size I need before I order that.

 

I would like to thank all of you for your help and advice and answering all my questions.  Now, I am anxiously awaiting delivery of my new toys.

 

Thanks everyone!


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 04:09 AM

Good luck with your set up
I think the 5” monitor is a winner I wish Nauticam made an housing for the Ninja V as 7” monitors are really not a good fit for a micro four third camera


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:31 PM

Thanks.  I agree, I would have really liked a Ninja V, but did not want to wait until they release a housing for it.


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Posted 05 August 2018 - 02:36 AM

Thanks.  I agree, I would have really liked a Ninja V, but did not want to wait until they release a housing for it.

The 502 is very bright I wonder how it works in HLG mode


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:17 AM

The 502 is very bright I wonder how it works in HLG mode


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I can't wait to find out.  I wanted a bright monitor to help with viewing it in shallow water situations, since one of my favorite places to look for stuff is the shallow turtle grass on the "front lawn" at CoCo View resort, where it can be very bright.  I am sure that there will be a learning curve playing with the various options, including HLG.  Thanks for the help.


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