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#1 TheRealDrew

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 04:21 PM

For those who were tracking the back and forth...

Warner Home Video on Friday announced it is casting its lot exclusively with the Blu-ray Disc format, leaving rival HD DVD with just two studios.

Warners -- with a market share of more than 20% the biggest Hollywood player in the home entertainment industry -- previously had been the only major studio to release titles in both Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. The decision to ditch HD DVD after May 2008 gives Blu-ray a decided advantage, since the format now enjoys the exclusive support of four of the six major studios-Warner, Walt Disney Studios, Sony Pictures and 20th Century Fox, as well as minimajor Lionsgate.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 07:17 PM

Yeh yeh but you have to make sure you have a HDMI compliant screen or the the Blu-ray player will scale it down to a lower res....thank you Mr Hollywood.

Meaning if you play a Hollywood Blu-ray on your computer and it has a VGA screen connection the Disk will tell the player to down res. :P

Have no fear though as it has already been cracked so you can watch the full res on your normal screens. :D

The whole format has been design just for MR Hollywood as the software and license to make a true 100% computable Blu-ray disk is very very exspensive. Sure we can make ones at home but they will not play on many players so that rules it out for small business.

I'm sure China will make a player that plays both at full res plus normal DVD's. :D

With a slight modification the same machines that press out normal DVD's can be made to make HDDVD's. Not so with Blu-rays.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 08:39 PM

http://www.nytimes.c....html?ref=media

Looks like Warner Bros has now sided with the Blu-ray consortium... This definitely gives Sony/ Blu-ray the edge in terms of movie studios backing their format.

 


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Posted 04 January 2008 - 08:52 PM

http://www.nytimes.c....html?ref=media

Looks like Warner Bros has now sided with the Blu-ray consortium... This definitely gives Sony/ Blu-ray the edge in terms of movie studios backing their format.


Not when you don't have paramount http://www.pcworld.c...53/article.html
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 09:22 PM

I went ahead and bought an HD DVD player this past summer($200). I figured it would take at least a few years for things to totally get ironed out and by that time another new technology might emerge.

I don't worry whether or not I chose the "winner". HD DVD players and discs are cheaper. I decided to buy very few HD movies and joined Netflix. Renting and watching unlimited 1080p HD DVD movies for $16 month, plus the player upconverts standard DVD's pretty well.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 09:40 PM

Not when you don't have paramount http://www.pcworld.c...53/article.html
When I heard that Transformers was only going to be on HDDVD, I rejoiced.

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It was actually very interesting to see when Paramount made the announcement to do all their movies on HD DVD, back in August.
Their exclusive deal did not include Steven Spielberg movies, which was somewhat a setback for them considering he is one of their biggest directors.

Paramounts deal is also for a set period of time, but the Warner Bros/Blu Ray deal does not seem to have a set time limit. At least not that I can find.

I am personally all for the Blu-Ray format, but that's just my opinion.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 09:51 PM

Good points Wags, but, but, Blu Ray has so much more storage capacity (at its potential maximum) than HDDVD. As visual quality demand increases, we will need all the capacity we can get. Also, I like the idea of a full 2 hour film in 1080p not 1080i. HD DVD is a lower cost but incremental step. It will be obsolete in short order. BluRay has many years of staying power.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 06:03 AM

Close on the heels of Warner dropping HD DVD, it seems that Paramount is about to do the same.

http://www.guardian....ny.digitalmedia

Well to more costly one to make (pressing charges are high) looks like it may be the winner.

Though there is still a chance

http://blog.wired.co...ount-denie.html for HD DVD

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 06:50 AM

Warner's decision was very disappointing and hopefully Paramount does not follow.

Either way, I will continue to enjoy renting and watching HD movies on my 110" screen. Plus having some of my favorite DVD's like the Matrix series, Bourne series, Planet Earth, Aviator, etc.. in high definition is nice. I imagine, HD DVD prices will drop and I intend to buy more of my favorites.

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 12:21 PM

I'm also concerned with the backwards compatibility of Blue Ray. When they were still in R & D, BlueRay was not going to be compatible with the older standard discs of which I have many. Has this been ironed out. Also, while Adobe Premier can create Blue Ray discs, at this point in time, Final Cut Pro can not and that is a concern to me as well.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 12:39 PM

I'm also concerned with the backwards compatibility of Blue Ray. When they were still in R & D, BlueRay was not going to be compatible with the older standard discs of which I have many. Has this been ironed out. Also, while Adobe Premier can create Blue Ray discs, at this point in time, Final Cut Pro can not and that is a concern to me as well.
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From what I have heard Encore has some issues and cannot really be used for replication of blu-ray, and like DVD SP (with HD DVD) neither really tap into all the potential of either format, basically it seems they just make very good looking DVDs (effectively). Maybe both (Adobe/Apple) are holding off a bit more before throwing more R&D and programmers into one or the other. Have not looked at the blu-ray players to see if they had the compatibility issue ironed out or not. I do have an HD DVD player that they were giving a special offer for attendees at the Home Media Expo (former VSDA) last July, $99 for the player and three HDs. At the time I thought it was and effort to jump start things since they were behind.

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 03:33 PM

-=PREDICTON=- although this is probably more like a pipe dream, Fuji will release their Holographic Versatile Disk (HVD) with it's 3.9TB of storage and blow everyone else out of the water. *cough*sony sucks*cough*

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Edited by Empty V, 09 January 2008 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2008 - 03:38 PM

Anytime soon? Is there a housing for it yet?;-)
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 04:37 PM

3.9 TB..... F@#k...thats nuts!

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 11:18 AM

The deciding vote?


Blu-ray Poised to Win Home Video War
The high-definition DVD war is all but over, according to most industry analysts attending the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas last week. In perhaps the most important “big picture” news of the convention (with apologies to Panasonic and its 150-inch plasma screen), Warner Brothers may have cast the deciding vote by opting to offer its titles on Blu-ray disc over the HD DVD format.

Behind Warner’s decision was widespread fear about the sagging home entertainment market. Many predict that domestic DVD sales fell by nearly three percent in 2007, partly because of confusion in the marketplace over the various formats. Barry M. Meyer, the chief executive of Warner Brothers, told The New York Times that the window of opportunity for high-definition DVD was in danger of being missed if “format confusion continues to linger.”

HD DVD, however, is not dead. Two major studios, Paramount Pictures and Universal Pictures, have deals in place to continue releasing their movies exclusively on HD DVD, as does DreamWorks Animation. [However, it’s rumoured that Paramount and Universal will announce a switch to Blu-ray later this year, when their existing agreements expire.]

Toshiba, HD DVD’s main backer, told a briefing at CES that the format “has not lost.” However, a major press conference at the show was canceled after the Warner Brothers announcement, and the HD DVD camp appeared in disarray.

With Warner on board, Blu-ray now has about 70 percent of the market locked up. Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox, MGM, Lionsgate and, of course, Sony are all on Blu-ray’s team.

For Sony, Warner’s decision is a chance to rewrite history: the company faltered in its introduction of Betamax in the consumer market in the 1970s. Many analysts say the HD DVD players now risk becoming the equivalent of Betamax machines, which died out in large part because it became harder for consumers to find Betamax movies as studios shifted allegiance to VHS.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 12:08 PM

The Betamax analogy is not totally accurate. HD DVD players can play standard DVD's and they do so very well, upconverting the picture quality to a simulated HD. While clearly not as good as true HD, it is a very noticeable improvement over standard definition.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 01:20 PM

The real reason why Beta did not succeed and perhaps the reason why Blu Ray may still not is that the porn industry simply adopted the VHS format with its longer capibility. With the massive demand for porn and the billions of dollars it brings to the industry, if Blue Ray does not allow the porn industry to use its technology, then it will go elsewhere and the public will follow. In addition, I do not know whether Blue Ray is backward compatible, it was a concern years ago when it was still in R & D. To me, that would be a major issue as well.
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Posted 15 January 2008 - 02:36 PM

Steve your knowledge of porn is impressive... i salute you...with my hands of course ;) :ninja:

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 03:03 PM

Then there is the advantage Sony has with its Play Station 3. Not only as a popular gaming unit but as an excellent Blu-ray disc player.

Also, Sony have learned something from the marketing mistakes they made during the VHS - Beta days.
In Australia they are currently giving away a free PS3 with every Hi Def Sony Bravia TV ...good for customers, good for Sony, not so good for HD-DVD.

The only down side at the moment is the very high cost of blank Blu-Ray discs.

Has anyone had any luck burning HD content to a normal DVD-R which plays OK on a Blu-Ray machine or PS3?

I'm looking forward to trying this but the backlog of PS3 orders is so high I wont get mine for several weeks...

I've heard its possible with some HD-DVD machines, but of course you only get about 20 minutes or so of HD play time per single sided disc.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 03:21 PM

I have made a Blu-Ray and burnt it onto a normal DVD-r disk. It plays on the computer but you need to get something like Power DVD to play it.
I also have a home made Blu-Ray burnt to a Blu-Ray disk.

They will play on some standalone players but like when normal DVD's first came out the first generation of players would not play home (burnt) made DVD's. Some folks have hacked their early PS3 to get them to play, not sure it the latest ones play them though straight out of the box..

To make a true 100% - 100% compatible Blu-Ray disk you need like $50,000+ software to make them plus all the license fees. :ninja: It's a format just made for Hollywood.

I also made a HD DVD onto a normal DVD-r disk and that too plays in the computer no probs.

Porn? VHS won over the better quality BETA because the machines were cheaper to make. BETA is much better and that's why TV station use it still to this day.

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