Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Tips to keep water from gathering on the lens port


  • Please log in to reply
31 replies to this topic

#1 xvierphoto

xvierphoto

    Damselfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 17 posts

Posted 09 March 2008 - 09:56 PM

How do I keep the water from gathering on my lens port, I do not want to just start trying stuff, being afraid of ruining the housing. I seem to ket water droplets right in the wrong places.... Any suggestions???

I Mostly shoot underwater and have played with 1/2 in 1/2 out shots but would love to try my hand at some surf stuff but my experience so far has not been real good Here is a shot of land from the ocean and you can see the spots I am talking about.....

Attached Images

  • IMG_0222.jpg


#2 NorthShoreSurfPhotos.com

NorthShoreSurfPhotos.com

    Starfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 09 March 2008 - 10:51 PM

How do I keep the water from gathering on my lens port, I do not want to just start trying stuff, being afraid of ruining the housing. I seem to ket water droplets right in the wrong places.... Any suggestions???

I Mostly shoot underwater and have played with 1/2 in 1/2 out shots but would love to try my hand at some surf stuff but my experience so far has not been real good Here is a shot of land from the ocean and you can see the spots I am talking about.....



sounds funny but all you gotta do is like your port... before i get in i spit on it like you would a dive mask, rub it in... wet it with ocean water and then lick it... then every so often lick it again a few times... this is not a joke

#3 photovan

photovan

    Great White

  • Moderator
  • 979 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Brisbane, Australia

Posted 09 March 2008 - 11:28 PM

spittin's the trick for sure. I have tried a tea-tree oil based, clear, low suds, biodegradable shampoo which works too,; but spit is cheaper, easier to carry, and you never forget it. :rolleyes:

Darren Jew  |  Australia  |  darrenjew.com  |  fotofrenzy.com.au

Canon EOS1Dx   |   EOSM   |   Nauticam  |   Inon Z240


#4 photoagent101

photoagent101

    Lionfish

  • Industry
  • PipPip
  • 50 posts

Posted 10 March 2008 - 06:23 AM

One huge difference I've noticed between underwater and surf housings -- with underwater housings, we use ports that have flanges that come up past the actual dome or flat port. You can put a housing down with its dome port or flat port facing down, and the flange will protect the port from being scratched.

Not so with surf housings, and this is because the flanges are the cause of water droplets. With surf housings, the port has nothing around it. It comes up and is on its own. This is good, because water just sheets off the port (as long as there is "quality" spit on it).

I've used various compounds for over/under shots to have water droplets sheet off ports. Dried spit works well, but the spit must be "quality". By that, I mean this: you cannot have eaten anything recently. The spit has to be pretty clear. You have to let it dry on the port first. After that, it forms a very thin shield against water droplets.

Folks have tried using stuff like RainX and Turtle Wax. None of this stuff works and may actually damage acrylic or Lexar ports. The only thing I have found that works is mask defogger called Spectramar Beris that was marketed by ScubaPro years and years ago. This stuff works well, but is almost impossible to find. Its primary ingredient is ethylene glycol, and I've been tempted to just get some ethylene glycol and try it out sometime. But I still have a couple of bottles of Spectramar Beris after 25 years of underwater shooting.

Norbert Wu
Norbert Wu
www.norbertwu.com

#5 Phil Colla

Phil Colla

    Sea Nettle

  • Industry
  • Pip
  • 11 posts

Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:02 PM

How do I keep the water from gathering on my lens port, I do not want to just start trying stuff, being afraid of ruining the housing. I seem to ket water droplets right in the wrong places.... Any suggestions???


Here's my spit technique **for surf housings**, it works perfectly. I rarely get water drops in my shots. For wide shots (in the impact zone): about 5 seconds before the wave is on me, I spit on the port. I might **gently** spread it around with my finger (no rough gloves). I dip it, pull it out and now I have a perfect thin sheet of water on the dome, it is effectively part of the optics. It will remain intact for about 10 seconds or so, throughout the entire sequence until I am underwater again.

The key is keeping that thin sheet of water intact. After a while -- especially if it is windy -- it tears apart and you have the classic "water droplet on dome port" problem. Using just plain sea water doesn't work nearly as well, it is the spit then the quick rinse that creates the thin sheet. Eating fries was recommended to me, something about the sugars in your saliva having a beneficial effect on the surface tension and holding that thin sheet on the dome intact. So I make sure to down a supersize box of fries before every session.

For telephoto shots with a 70-200 through a flat port, I carry a tiny squeegee on a necklace. I will first lick the squeegee to get any salt and sand off it the blad, then spit on the port, rinse it, and then **gently** squeegee it with a tiny squeegee. If there is any streaking, I repeat the process. Once I have the flat port streak free and dry, I keep the port dry as long as possible by floating the housing in the water with the port pointed up in the air (not toward the sun), which is not hard to do if you are outside the impact zone on in a channel. Once it gets spots from spray or some grom buzzing me, or it gets dunked, I will spit, rinse and squeegee again.

Two techniques depending on whether in the surf or shooting from a channel. I don't have any experience with waxes or applying anything other than spit to the ports.

Cheers, Phil

Edited by Phil Colla, 10 March 2008 - 07:53 PM.


#6 xvierphoto

xvierphoto

    Damselfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 17 posts

Posted 12 March 2008 - 08:54 AM

Thanks Guys who knew the answer to my question was literally right under my nose (lol) I will definitely give it a try and go test my hand at some in water surf shots. Can not wait to share!!!!!!!! Aloha

#7 Stephen Colquitt

Stephen Colquitt

    Eagle Ray

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia

Posted 21 April 2008 - 10:23 PM

Hey thanks for this thread guys.

A couple of thing i learned - take off the guard from my 8" dome and spit on the dome. Hope to test some of this out this weekend.

#8 Stephen Colquitt

Stephen Colquitt

    Eagle Ray

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia

Posted 27 April 2008 - 06:32 PM

The spit technique worked a treat. Thanks so much. Hope to post some images soon!

Edited by Stephen Colquitt, 27 April 2008 - 06:35 PM.


#9 Graham Abbott

Graham Abbott

    Manta Ray

  • Industry
  • PipPipPip
  • 434 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bali, Indonesia
  • Interests:Diving, diving, diving, marine life, critters, rare animals, new species, mountain biking, Indonesia in general, San Francisco, music and a growing interest in art of all kinds!

Posted 31 May 2008 - 06:39 AM

Actually I get lots of flem build up. Recently I've been bottling it all up and it goes on sale at a greatly reduced price to wetpixel members too!

I'm also now looking into drying it out and making a special rub on compound too! Anyone interested?

#10 Marjo

Marjo

    Manta Ray

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 467 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:St. Croix USVI
  • Interests:Conservation photography, climate change resilience, species and habitat conservation

Posted 03 June 2008 - 06:57 AM

Hmmm.. Berkey White suggested using Pledge a few years ago. It works for me on split shots at least. My friends already think I am too obsessed about my gear - if they see me licking it the'll have me committed somewhere...

Edited by Marjo, 03 June 2008 - 06:59 AM.


#11 riodda

riodda

    Clownfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 23 posts

Posted 21 July 2009 - 11:38 AM

One huge difference I've noticed between underwater and surf housings -- with underwater housings, we use ports that have flanges that come up past the actual dome or flat port. You can put a housing down with its dome port or flat port facing down, and the flange will protect the port from being scratched.

Not so with surf housings, and this is because the flanges are the cause of water droplets. With surf housings, the port has nothing around it. It comes up and is on its own. This is good, because water just sheets off the port (as long as there is "quality" spit on it).

I've used various compounds for over/under shots to have water droplets sheet off ports. Dried spit works well, but the spit must be "quality". By that, I mean this: you cannot have eaten anything recently. The spit has to be pretty clear. You have to let it dry on the port first. After that, it forms a very thin shield against water droplets.

Folks have tried using stuff like RainX and Turtle Wax. None of this stuff works and may actually damage acrylic or Lexar ports. The only thing I have found that works is mask defogger called Spectramar Beris that was marketed by ScubaPro years and years ago. This stuff works well, but is almost impossible to find. Its primary ingredient is ethylene glycol, and I've been tempted to just get some ethylene glycol and try it out sometime. But I still have a couple of bottles of Spectramar Beris after 25 years of underwater shooting.

Norbert Wu


I'm a Motorsport race enginner specilized in endurance racing, and i'm very surprised to understand that rain-x is not working, it would have been my first choice, we use it also on Lexan Windscreend and i can assure that there is no damage to them, we alsu use them on tearof layers mad of some flavour of optical plastic and there is no damage aswell....
Regards.

#12 Hani Amir

Hani Amir

    Wolf Eel

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 187 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maldives
  • Interests:Photography, Cinematography, Music, Bass Guitar and most of all stuff to do with the Ocean.

Posted 22 July 2009 - 10:03 AM

Just don't get so carried away with the spitting/licking that you forget the wave that's about to crash over your head. I know it's happened to me :D.

#13 CompuDude

CompuDude

    Eagle Ray

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Location:Studio City, CA

Posted 22 July 2009 - 01:12 PM

Wow. Spit.

Why the heck didn't I think of that before? It's so obvious, in retrospect.

All the ruined photos... *sigh*

Great tip!

#14 Bombsight

Bombsight

    Triggerfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:South East Texas
  • Interests:Trying to make the world look perfect

Posted 03 August 2009 - 10:15 AM

If you smoke ganja, the spit method is an issue (cotton mouth) ... otherwise, spit, rub it around and let it dry for about 5 minutes. surfing:

#15 freesurfpics.net

freesurfpics.net

    Starfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 5 posts

Posted 18 September 2009 - 04:36 PM

Wow, the spit technique where you let it dry works so good, thanks! Have been shooting most of my surf stuff with a 20D and an 800mm lens but recently got a G10 and the Canon 28 water housing. Kind of hard to shoot fast surf stuff with the G10 since the fastest it will shoot is 1fps but it is still possible to get some okay shots with it. Having a blast shooting from the water with it. www.freesurfpics.net

#16 Hani Amir

Hani Amir

    Wolf Eel

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 187 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maldives
  • Interests:Photography, Cinematography, Music, Bass Guitar and most of all stuff to do with the Ocean.

Posted 19 September 2009 - 03:16 AM

^ G10 and no shutter burst ;)

http://www.flickr.co...mir/3566977264/

*beams*

#17 freesurfpics.net

freesurfpics.net

    Starfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 5 posts

Posted 21 September 2009 - 08:04 AM

http://www.freesurfp...w..._id=0&pos=1

Good looking shot Hani. Loving the camera and getting used to it being slow(er). This a pretty cool site.....is there a way to post pics without having to do a direct web link?

Edited by freesurfpics.net, 21 September 2009 - 08:05 AM.


#18 james

james

    The Engineer

  • Super Mod
  • 9968 posts
  • Location:Houston TX

Posted 21 September 2009 - 10:48 AM

You can attach photos to your posts. Just click underneath where it says "attachment editor" or something like that. You have to use "Add Reply" or click on More Options below Fast Reply to get the attachment editor.

Cheers
James
Canon 1DsMkIII - Seacam Housing
Dual Ikelite Strobes
Photo site - www.reefpix.org

#19 freesurfpics.net

freesurfpics.net

    Starfish

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 5 posts

Posted 24 September 2009 - 07:29 AM

Thanks James, they hid that pretty good. Here is one of G10 shots.

Attached Images

  • BeaconsWebStoreFront.jpg


#20 Mike L

Mike L

    Tiger Shark

  • Industry
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 601 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Newport Beach, California

Posted 01 November 2009 - 01:01 PM

If it is am acrylic port, I have found Lemon Pledge to work the best
Mike Luzansky
H2O Photo Pros Underwater Photo & Video THE Underwater Imaging Headquarters
Gates Underwater Video Housings The Ultimate Gates Underwater Housing Resource
Nauticam Underwater Housings The Nauticam Underwater Housing Headquarters!
Marine Visions The Choice for Underwater Professionals