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#1 Alex_Mustard

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 12:57 AM

While Leslie is away I thought I would post another fish!

This is another from Lembeh, that at the time I thought looked like a cross between a waspfish (but was 2-3 times bigger than a cockatoo waspfish) and a small benthic grouper.

I would say it was 8-10 inches long. Any ideas?

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 01:13 AM

Might be a Velvetfish of some description, Cocotropus larvatus

or a Barchin Scorpionfish Sebastapistes strongia

or Mauritius Scorpionfish Sebastapistes mauritiana

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 04:55 AM

Hi Alex, I think the first is Scorpaenodes guamensis, but I am not sure about the second. It most resembles waspfishes because of the first dorsal spine located above the eyes, but doesn't match any in my books. I will forward the photos to Jack Randall.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 05:00 AM

These pictures are from March 2004, so my memory is a bit hazy. They were certainly taken on the same dive and from the Exif they were taken within 7 minutes of each other.

I am pretty sure that they were different individuals, but they may have been the same fish.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 05:01 AM

I'm still pegging number two as a Velvetfish...B)

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 05:11 AM

Hi Alex, I am sure they are different species. The overall color (including the red striped pattern of the eye) and general shape of the head is very different. Also, the first dorsal spine originates right in the middle of the eyes on #2 and is way back in the head (maybe above the gill oppenings) in #1. I am almost sure that #1 is a scorpionfish and #2 either a waspfish or a velvetfish.

Mike, you may be right, I am not that familiar with Indo-Pacific fish (yet)... :)

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 05:18 AM

OK, I accept that they are different!

To me the second one looks more Waspfish than Velvetfish.

The first one (vertical) could be anywhere between scorpionfish and grouper.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 05:29 AM

;)
I want to make a bet, Velvet over Wasp....if its a Scorpion we both lose....#2 only...

Whoever loses buys a bottle of vodka whenever we actually meet in person! :D

Mind you, saying that and now its going to be the Mauritius scorpion.... :)

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 06:14 AM

Definitely not a Mauritius scorpionfish, Mike, so you still have a chance for that bottle of vodka. The Mauritius scorpionfish is Rhinopias eschmeyeri, which looks like this:

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 06:16 AM

On the other hand, I have a close :) match to Alex' 2nd fish, also taken in Lembeh, but 2 years ago. This may help with identification... or confuse things utterly :D

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 08:53 AM

I think Mat's shot is a Waspfish, and am about 50% sure it is the same sp as my second one. Alex

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 09:18 AM

Mat's waspfish and Alex' second shot is probably the whiteface waspfish (Richardsonichthys leucogaster).

Mat, about the Mauritius scorpionfish, Mike was referring to a different species, Sebastapistes mauritania, which does look like the one in Alex' photo #1. That's why I avoid using common names as much as I can.

Alex, the one reason I don't think #1 is a grouper is the skin. Groupers have a smooth skin, the one in the photo has a very rough skin, just like the other scorpionfishes.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 04:16 PM

Thanks for the clarification Rocha. How embarrassing. Don't even know the endemic species from my own country!

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 06:40 AM

Alex's horizontal shot is a longspine waspfish. The other one shown a few threads down is also a longspine waspfish in another variation. Page 382 in DeLoach's Tropical Pacific Book. The first one I am unsure of.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 06:55 AM

Ok, I just got a message back from Jack Randall. He also thinks that #1 is a scorpionfish and #2 a waspfish but he is not sure about the species IDs so he forwarded the pictures to Stuart Poss, a specialist in scorpaniformes (the group that includes scorpionfishes and waspfishes). I will let you know.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:19 AM

I had a fish photo that I couldn't ID for the longest time...the feature that was the defining thing was the dorsal fin between the eyes, like photo #2...which made it a longfin waspfish. Or the name I like better, Wispy Waspfish (say that three times fast). Not sure if it's the specific species, but I do know they have them at Lembeh.
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 12:33 PM

I hope Mustard likes Stoli.... B)

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 04:46 PM

velvet_scorp_wb.jpg velvet scorpion fish pair, finishing lunch, kbr sulawesi

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 08:34 AM

Thanks for sending the Vodka over from Yap so quickly, Mike!

Most appreciated. :(

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 03:13 PM

:( :) :D

Nice!

Looks like your pet satanic grouper on the wall wants some too!

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