
Tokina 10-17 on D800 - how useful?
#1
Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:43 PM
Advice welcome!
#2
Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:22 AM
#3
Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:40 AM
Tokina 10-17 on a D800 in DX crop?
Isn't that like putting a wooden block beneath the accelerator pedal of a BMW?
#4
Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:22 PM
It could be like comparing a block of wood under the accelerator of a BMW M3 and unblocked accelerator BMW M3 but driving them both in busy streets of Bangkok?
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#5
Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:51 AM
I would be interested in this side by side comparison as well. Did anybody already do this?Would be interesting to compare the same image using the Tokina 10-17mm in Dx mode in the D800, Sigma 15mm FE and D800, and also the Tokina 10-17mm with the D7000. On paper there is a difference but what is it really like at the end of the day side by side?
It could be like comparing a block of wood under the accelerator of a BMW M3 and unblocked accelerator BMW M3 but driving them both in busy streets of Bangkok?
#6
Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:35 PM
First impression is, not so much diffrent. But when you zoom in, there is actually BIG diffrent! Against the wall I could see details in the sigma that not the tokina good show. My results is that I now have sold the tokina....
But, for the most use I will honest say that the Tokina is more than you often need. I have been taken pictures with the Tokina that I really love. Its a very good lens and I have been used it with D80, D300s.
For me upgrading to FX was mostly that I needed a new challange in photo. Somehow I use the camera much more right now, both topside and underwater. I needed something new, and when it comes to quality from the D800 I can see really different! But the D300s felt more save and easy somehow. But anyway, its diffrents between this two lenses.
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#7
Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:16 PM
Is the 15mm Sigma on the D800 in FF better quality at 15mp than the D800 Dx cropped with the Tokina 10-17mm at 15mp? How does the D7000 compare to them both at 15mp? Is the 15mm Sigma really required for those that will not print billboard size?
It would be an interesting real life comparison than compared to the on paper rave about the new latest and greatest.
Regards Mark
Nikon D7000 with Aquatica housing
Nikon D500 with Aquatica Housing
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#8
Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:28 PM
Bit what has that got to do with the price of eggs? WE all have things with performance we don't need. The UK has an overall speed limit of 70mph but we all buy cars that will do 130mph!
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#9
Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:42 AM
I guess we can compare cars against cameras and of course we all have things with performance we dont need or use. I am asking along the lines of what are the performance of cars at the the speeds we drive them everyday and not the top end speed which only some might achieve at the race track once in a blue moon?
The point is that alot of people including myself are holding off going FF with something like the Nikon D800 because no one has compared the performance of the Sigma 15mm FE with the perfomance and verstaility Tokina 10-17mm on a Dx mode/camera.
The only selling point is the 36mp top end speed of the Nikon D800 when used with the 15mm Sigma.
Nikon D7000 with Aquatica housing
Nikon D500 with Aquatica Housing
Nikon 10.5mm FE, Tokina 10-17mm, Tokina 11-16mm, Nikkor 60, Nikkor 80-400mm
#10
Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:51 AM
I was really hesitating when I was planing to change camera. Did I really need D800? Was the diffrent in quality big? To be honest i don´t think you see so much diffrent on a PC screen. But when you work with the pictures and scale them to diffrent sizes and so on the D800 really makes diffrent. If you only shoot and print more or less straight from camera I don´t think the diffrent is huge. But as I told you, if you work with them. Spec what details you can get from over or under exposed areas. I like creativ sizing of pictures in magazine´s so for me D800 is just so COOL camera! But there are also downsides....
#11
Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:05 AM
Cristian.
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#12
Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:39 AM
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#13
Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:22 PM
To have the perfect corner sharpness at all f/stops you would need a dome made especially for the Sigma 15,mm or whatever other lens having
the perfect curvature of the dome for the given lens.
Corner sharpness depends of the combination dome and lens and using a higher f/stop can eliminate small issues with corner softness due the deeper field of view.
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#14
Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:32 PM
Aussiebyron,
I was really hesitating when I was planing to change camera. Did I really need D800? Was the diffrent in quality big? To be honest i don´t think you see so much diffrent on a PC screen. But when you work with the pictures and scale them to diffrent sizes and so on the D800 really makes diffrent. If you only shoot and print more or less straight from camera I don´t think the diffrent is huge. But as I told you, if you work with them. Spec what details you can get from over or under exposed areas. I like creativ sizing of pictures in magazine´s so for me D800 is just so COOL camera! But there are also downsides....
Kmsellin,
At what scale do you start seeing the difference (largest image printed with D800 vs largest image with a Dx)? What sizing for magazines does the cool D800 do which a DX camera like the D7000 can't do?
Regards Mark
Nikon D7000 with Aquatica housing
Nikon D500 with Aquatica Housing
Nikon 10.5mm FE, Tokina 10-17mm, Tokina 11-16mm, Nikkor 60, Nikkor 80-400mm
#15
Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:41 PM
Can anyone take some test photos with both lenses on the D800 to get an visual comparison. The Sigma 15mm imaged resized to 15mp and the Tokina 10-17mm in Dx mode.
Regards Mark
Nikon D7000 with Aquatica housing
Nikon D500 with Aquatica Housing
Nikon 10.5mm FE, Tokina 10-17mm, Tokina 11-16mm, Nikkor 60, Nikkor 80-400mm
#16
Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:10 AM
The first shot was intended for a Travel Guide and took into consideration Masthead and Cover lines. The second is the cover of Diver Mag this month!
If you are responsible for cropping your own pictures (and deciding their use when you take them) you would not have this problem!
So for me, the D800 with sigma 15 enables me to shoot material under water that can be cropped into 'different pictures' later!
Edited by John Bantin, 05 January 2013 - 03:23 AM.
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#17
Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:44 AM
That's interesting Cristian. I sold both my 10.5 and 16 Nikkors because I never used them. Always Tokina 10-17 and Sigma 15. I think it depends very much on your dome set-up. I get fantastic edge-to-edge sharpness. In fact only today I saw a full-page layout using a small side section of one of my pics.
John, I have tested the Sigma 15mm on land, in a mine shooting and at the the minimum distance, the lens that I have used was terrible on the border of the image, this is one of the images (nef file) develop with captureNX2:

I hope the Nikon make a 16mm like the 10,5mm.
Cristian.
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#18
Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:03 AM
Can I direct to http://wetpixel.com/...opic=46334&st=0
Edited by John Bantin, 05 January 2013 - 03:09 AM.
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#19
Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:19 AM
Maybe you got a 'bad' one. It looks like a DOF problem. What F/stop were you using and what were the relative distances?
Can I direct to http://wetpixel.com/...opic=46334&st=0
The lens that I have tested, it's not mine.
I have used f8 1/125 @ 200iso at the minimum distance that permit the 15mm Sigma. In similar situation of shoot the 10,5mm Nikon with D80 and D800 work better.
Cristian.
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#20
Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:44 AM
The lens that I have tested, it's not mine.
I have used f8 1/125 @ 200iso at the minimum distance that permit the 15mm Sigma. In similar situation of shoot the 10,5mm Nikon with D80 and D800 work better.
Cristian.
Well with the D800 you can safely use ISO 3600 and a smaller f/stop/faster shutter-speed. Maybe that's where the problem lies.
Edited by John Bantin, 05 January 2013 - 06:46 AM.
I buy my own photographic kit. Diving equipment manufacturers and diving services suppliers get even-handed treatment from me whether they choose to advertise in the publications I write for or not. All the equipment I get on loan is returned as soon as it is finished with. Did you know you can now get Diver Mag as an iPad/Android app?