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#1 Steen Nissen

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:55 PM

I have just booked myself on a 9 day liveaboard to Socorro on the Rocio Del Mar. Leaving March 2013.
i wonder what lenses to bring.
I use a D90, and I have the Sigma 17-70, and Tokina 10-17
My question is, Will I find any use for the 17-70 ? is the 10-17 enough for the whole trip, or do I need a new lens, like the Nikon 12-24 ?
I dont expect I need any macro lens ?

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#2 JackConnick

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:02 AM

Last time I was there I shot both those lenses on a D300 and they worked fine. Since then, I've gravitated to shooting the 10-17 + a Kenko 1.4 instead of the 17-70 as it is far sharper. You won't have the reach, but you really want to get closer anyway. You definately do not want the 12-24, doesn't focus that close.

Here's a couple of shots for comparison:

17-70:
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Manta Eye.2 by Pixel Letch, on Flickr

10-17:
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Manta Head shot by Pixel Letch, on Flickr

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:58 AM

Thanks for that info. I guess I'm covered.
Nice photos, especially the first one.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:48 AM

2010 Baja California 167 San Benedicto El Canyon manta & trevally.jpg


At a pinch, and unless the visibility is spectacular, you could do very nicely with just the Tokina 10-17mm.



2010 Baja California 200 San Benedicto El Canyon scalloped hammerhead shark.jpg


I shot everything with a Nikon 10.5mm and a teleconverter when I was in the Revillagigedos Is.



2010 Baja California 403 La Roca Partida white-tip reef sharks.jpg


I dived from Solmar V. It's a great place...



2010-Baja-California-047-301-San-Benedicto-El-Canyon-Solmar-V.jpg

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:33 AM

That hammer is lovely Tim!
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:38 AM

I agree with Alex, what a beautiful hammerhead!
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:00 PM

I agree that the 10-17 + a teleconverter would be what I'd take. Maybe shoot the 60mm micro behind a dome for sharks...

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

...... You definately do not want the 12-24, doesn't focus that close.

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Hi Jack...could you explain the comment about the 12-24 please? Granted, it has other issues (sharp corners, etc) but It focuses to 1 foot and I would think with the shots that you showed (large animals) that is way more than enough? Am headed there in 2014....and am just curious....

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:51 PM

Tim,
what dome/housing were you using with your 10.5mm/teleconverter combination?
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

Mainly very bad corner issues and general sharpness. IMHO, you really want a lens that focuses to about 9 or 9.5" behind a dome. It will shoot ok in blue water, I jhust think there are better choices.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:53 AM

Hi Jack...could you explain the comment about the 12-24 please? Granted, it has other issues (sharp corners, etc) but It focuses to 1 foot and I would think with the shots that you showed (large animals) that is way more than enough? Am headed there in 2014....and am just curious....

thx


I use to use the Nikkor 12-24 with a +4 diopter in a 170 mm port. I now use the Tonk 10-17 w & w/o 1.4x TC in a 4.33" dome (The Bare Dome). Much better IMHO.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:21 AM

Ditto for the 12-24 Nexus setup. The +4 diopter enables lens to focus close & also sharpens edges. I've always had good luck with that lens. But I also now use the 10-17 with mini dome. This is much more convenient for travel & gives great results.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:30 AM

Again, better choices out there. A good quality 77mm (?) +4 diopter is going to cost $150+ or so. And possibly introduce some abberations and chroma to the shots.
I love the lens above water, just not my choice uw. YMMV.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

thx for the answers on the 12-24 everyone!

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:46 AM

thx for the answers on the 12-24 everyone!


if you're thinking of getting a rectilinear WA lens, i'd suggest to forget about the Nikon 12-24 and get the 10-24 (also Nikon) instead. It focusses closer (no need for diopters), has a bigger range and in the range from 12-24 it's supposed to be as sharp as the 12-24 mm f/4.0. It's also cheaper and slightly lighter. Only drawback is that it's not a f/4.0 over the full range but f/3.5-4.5 (is that a drawback actually??).

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 02:41 PM

Can someone elaborate more on this topic please?  I have a Canon 7D with a 10-17 and a 4" mini-dome, and I'm heading to Socorro at the end of January.  I'm expecting that the 10-17 alone will be fine for manta since they typically get so close, but for the sharks and whales (if I'm so lucky), I'm wondering if I should pick up a 1.4 TC since I don't expect to get as close.  I get the impression that the TC won't simply magnify by 1.4, but I'm not sure why and waht it will exactly do.  Can you explain further and give me a recommendation?  Thanks.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:49 PM

Hey Johnny,

I have been to the Socorro Islands and found the 10-17 to be ideal for most circumstances. I am of the opinion that if the shark is too far away it's probably not worth taking a pic in the first place. They may not come as close as in the Bahamas but you may get a few passes. The Mantas came close enough that I had to duck my head several times. The more you seem to ignore the more curious they get.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:41 PM

Thanks Tom.  That's pretty much what I was thinking, but the idea of being able to shoot humpbacks....they'd be worth shooting regardless (I shot video in Tonga).  But I don't know if it's worth it, I'll probably just stick with the 10-17 and hope any big stuff finds me attractive.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:01 PM

I went on the Nautilus Explorer trip.  I don't think I removed my 16-35mm the entire time.  Maybe only for the Tokina 10-17mm.

 

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:09 PM

One other thing.  The challenge I gave myself was shooting a manta and getting the top/bottom lighitng balanced on a frontal shot.  Near the surface, the sunlight will dapple their back beautifully, but the underbelly can be dark so I spent some time trying to get my strobes to fire up from beneath the dome at just the right power.  I did this with white pointers in South Australia. 

 

You will have mantas for hours, so you can get plenty of practice.  Once I got the lighting balanced, I never got one of the animals to swim directly at me because they start to ascend from a few meteres out to fly over your head.  The closer to the surface you are, the further out they start their ascent glide path.

 

Good luck!

 

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