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#1 webrix

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 07:05 AM

It's quite a few years that I take u/w pictures with an old, compact Canon G12 and I'd like to move up a bit to a more powerful setup.
 
I need to get everything: camera, lens, housing + ports, strobes, anything else?
 
What setup would you recommend to move from compact to dSLR?


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Posted 04 November 2018 - 01:04 PM

I'd probably move to a mirrorless setup. Sony, Canon, Nikon, Mu43,.. take your pick. All of these setups have their pros and cons. If you need recommendations you need to give information on your own needs.

 

1. What is your budget?

2. How important are size/weight for you?

3. Do you want to shoot macro/wide angle or both?

4. What kind of sensor size are you looking at? (this is mostly to reduce options down to one or two manufacturers, it doesn't really matter that much).



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Posted 04 November 2018 - 01:27 PM

1. ideally below 5k everything included: camera, housing, strobs, lens...

2. rather easy to carry / dive with

3. both - wide angle more important

4. don't know - what's the difference?

 

I'd appreciate some recommendations



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Posted 05 November 2018 - 03:04 AM

Q4: if you go for the smaller DX-type sensor rather than the full frame (known as FF or FX) the cost of the camera is lower as is the cost and weight of lenses. The size (and therefore cost/transportability) of a dome port is lower too. The impact on your images is negligible unless you want to create wall-sized prints.

 

Perhaps, as a suggested starting point, you take a look at the Nikon D500 with, say a Tokina 10-17 wide-angle lens and 100mm dome port; and a 60mm Nikkor macro lens with flat port.

 

If you get some of these items second hand you would have a very capable system and, fingers crossed, maybe within your budget depending on second hand housing availability or perhaps a polycarbonate-type housing (eg Ikelite) rather than aluminium (eg Subal, Nauticam, Aquatica).

 

You might also take a look at, say, a second-hand Inon Z240 strobe and ULCS arms which would give an excellent strobe and arms system which would grow with you and which are reasonably (as anything ever is in the u/w photog world) future proof.

 

Others on WP will no doubt suggest equally capable Canon-based packages; or Sony/Olympus 4/3rds systems which are smaller sensors still.

 

Just some thoughts to get you going.... these ideas would give you 3, explains 4, maybe gets you 1 and, isn't too bad on 2.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:19 AM


or Sony/Olympus 4/3rds systems which are smaller sensors still.

 

 

 

Nitpick: Sony doesn't make 4/3 sensor cameras, only sensors. Four thirds cameras are primarily Olympus and Panasonic, while Sony makes full-frame (A7/A9 and RX1), APS-C (A5xxx/A6xxx, same size as DX) and 1" (RX10, RX100, RX0).



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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:53 AM

Nitpick: Sony doesn't make 4/3 sensor cameras, only sensors. Four thirds cameras are primarily Olympus and Panasonic, while Sony makes full-frame (A7/A9 and RX1), APS-C (A5xxx/A6xxx, same size as DX) and 1" (RX10, RX100, RX0).


Oops. Thanks. You’re right of course. Thanks for the correction. I’d got mirrorless stuck in my mind.

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 06:49 AM

One question; what are you going to DO with your photos?  Are you making massive prints?  Submitting to news agencies?  For me compacts meet my needs...Dated but I still feel the same: https://aquabluedrea...l-de-evolution/

 

If you are shooting a lot of wide angle natural light shots the bigger the sensor the better.  If mainly using strobes not such a big issue.  Lots of good deals on gear here in the Classifieds.



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Posted 05 November 2018 - 11:15 AM

Thank you TimG!

 

What do you think about Canon 77D and 80D. The 77D doesn't have any particular good housing, but for the 80D there is both Nauticam and Sea&Sea. Maybe pair with with tow Sea&Sea YS-D2 or two Ikelite DS16?



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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:26 AM

I like the 80D a lot. When I shoot Canon I shoot the tokina 10-17 and either the 60 or 100 macro lens. I shoot the Tamron 60 with a 1.4 Tele but i am really interested in tiny things. Forget the Ike strobes unless you can get them used cheap, go with either the S&S or Inons

 

80 D, $1000, Tokina 10-17 $450, Canon 60 macro $350, Canon 100 macro $699 (normally $900), Housing $3300, Ports, $1400 or so depending, strobes 2x $600 so your grand total is more like $8K. Ike housing is $1800 so you can get closer to your $5k. Of course getting it all used might make sense

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 10:55 AM

Any tips on where to get them used?

Housing Nauticam or Sea&Sea?



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Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:10 PM

Any tips on where to get them used?
Housing Nauticam or Sea&Sea?


Wetpixel Classifieds! You can get some great deals.

On the two housings, any way you can go and have a feel of them? They are very personal things. Nauticam are very much flavour of the month. I’d say S&S less so. Worth checking out Subal - check what they have as second hands on their website.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 10:42 AM

Hi, Webrix.

 

Here's a little personal experience with metal housings that might be of interest. I'm shooting a Canon 80D in a Sea & Sea housing, and I did compare its "feel" to a Nauticam housing for the same camera. The Nauticam housing seemed well made and I've had good luck with another Nauticam housing for a different camera.

 

However, the Nauticam housing for the 80D had some control and camera positioning issues that were just plain "fiddly," whereas everything in the Sea & Sea 80D housing fit the camera perfectly.

 

The controls feel a lot better to me on the Sea & Sea, no learning curve, almost like using the camera on land without a housing. The Sea & Sea housing seems like an industrial or professional-grade product compared to the Nauticam, which feels to me like more of a consumer-grade product.

 

I know, this is all very personal, so I would encourage you to get both housings in hand, even if you have to go through the hassle of buying both and then returning one "like new" for a refund. 

 

I'd also suggest adding up the cost of all the pieces you'd like to shoot, including camera body, lenses, gears and ports, before you make a final decision. Some housing components--especially high-quality glass dome ports--can be surprisingly expensive new, but are sometimes available used in very good condition. As the high-end market moves toward mirrorless cameras, people will sell off perfectly usable SLR bodies and lenses just to have the latest, greatest stuff. For example, I've got a sweet 8-15mm Canon fisheye lens that is likely to stay among the best of the best (optically) no matter what other newer glass comes along with the latest systems.

 

Hope this is helpful info but feel free to PM me if you want more details. What I have works great for me but again, how a camera and housing feel in hand is very personal.



#13 webrix

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 12:35 PM

Thank you for the info glewbel



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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:11 AM

The D7500 uses the same Expeed 5 image processor as some of Nikon's more expensive full-frame cameras such as the D500, while also including continuous shooting at up to 8 fps, Plex Kodi Lucky Patcher4K video capture at 30 fps, and a handy 3.2-inch tilting rear LCD display.







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