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#357697 Choose your weapon: SLR versus video camera for filmmaking

Posted by SimonSpear on 11 February 2015 - 02:19 AM

Well this was enough to bring me out of hibernation.   

 

I've got to be honest I'm still scratching my head over what I just read.  The internet polarises opinions for sure, but there are SO many inaccuracies that you have to wonder what purpose there was in writing this?  Is it just an anti DSLR bash or an attempt to justify a "small sensor good, large sensor bad" decision?  Are we talking about underwater filming here, or all filming?

Just a few points:

Audio - apart from a few niche situations who is worried about this for underwater use?  Audio on the newer mirrorless cameras and DSLR's is absolutely fine and certainly comparable to the results you'd get from a camcorder's internal microphone.

DoF - not an issue for WA if you choose the correct lens.  For macro we tend to like the shallower DoF and anyway you'd get a similar effect to this using a video camera with diopters.
 

Blue Planet - was filmed mostly on 16mm film.

 

Moire and aliasing - this has NOT become worse on the latest DLSR's, it has virtually disappeared from them.  The first generation were pretty bad at times, but this was never really an issue underwater where you rarely get straight lines or patterns like brickwork or roof tiles.  You did have to be very careful when shooting in a swimming pool though.
 

Colours - Oh my.  The Canon DSLR's produce the most amazing colours underwater.  Far, far better than ANY video camera I have used before or after.  
 

Macro vs WA - If you want to do this properly you will always have a dedicated set up for macro and wide angle on a video camera.  If you want to swim around and film what you come across then a video camera offers an advantage.  Also you can get decent range of zoom through with dome ports on most WA DSLR zooms, which is at least comparible to what you'd get from a standard dome port/dome on a video camera housing.  
 

Documentaries -  Most documentaries these days are filmed with large sensor cameras.  Smaller sensors are now more or less confined to ENG, but even then there are plenty of guys out there using F5's, FS700's, C300's, FS7's for traditional ENG work.
 

Stability -  Yes DSLR housings are not normally initially well balanced, but this can be resolved very easily by adding buoyancy in the same way you'd add trim weights to a traditional video housing.  The only time you should be getting shaky footage is if you can't hold the camera still and if that is the case then you'll get this regardless of what you are using.

 

Cost -  There is a big difference in the set up costs for a DSLR vs a comparable quality video camera.  The DLSR can often be 50% cheaper, which is a big decision when negotiating budgets or when it is coming straight out of your own pocket.

 

Is the article saying that large sensor video cameras are ok, but SLR's with the same size sensor are not, because.......they have a large sensor??  

 

Is the article really supporting the FS100 as a viable alternative to a DSLR for underwater shooting?  Seriously??? 

 

I will admit that filming on a DSLR and getting good results is more difficult than filming on a video camera where you can just set everything to auto and press record.  If you tried to do that on a DSLR you'd be wasting your time so you do need to learn how to film with full manual controls to get the best out of them.  I've seen some truly awful underwater footage filmed on a RED, footage that you'd be utterly embarrassed to show others that you'd shot, while on the flip side I've seen jaw droppingly awesome footage shot on a first generation DSLR.   I've seen awful footage shot on a EX1 while on the same dive amazing footage shot on an GoPro1.   

 

DSLR's and mirrorless cameras have a significant place in the current filmmakers arsenal.  I film on both traditional video cameras and DSLR's and have no bias whatsoever as they both have a role to play.   They are tools to be used as we see fit and we certainly shouldn't be excluding one OR the other.  

 

 




#383389 Anyone happy with their TriPod?

Posted by Nick Hope on 21 April 2017 - 01:13 AM

Could u post a few pics or a little video on how u managed the panning? Would be much appreciated!

 

Excuse the foot! Also, I do sometimes do a panning shot, controlling the rotation of the housing with my thumbs. But more often than not I'm just panning to position the camera for a static shot.

 




#323193 Favourite Image Of 2012

Posted by Torchuck on 24 December 2012 - 03:40 AM

The two main ideas I exploited this year.
Half-water and long exposure.
Philippines. Balicasag.
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Thailnd. Sail Rock.
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#373433 Dumaguete, Philippines

Posted by Alex_Tattersall on 09 May 2016 - 11:15 AM

Apo Island Nikon D7200, Tokina 10-17

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D7200, 105mm, Noodilab Moby, F29, 1/200
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D7200, 105mm Noodilab Moby
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D7200, 105mm, F11, 1/200
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D7200, 105mm F11, 1/10
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D7200, 105mm, F22, 1/200
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D7200, 105mm, F22, 1/200
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Small Frog D7200, 105mm VR, SMC
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#363023 Showreel

Posted by SimonSpear on 08 July 2015 - 08:40 AM

Finally had a free week to finish my showreel.  Only 3 years late!   :crazy:

 

 




#362209 Blue Island

Posted by Rafa Herrero on 14 June 2015 - 11:54 AM




#357657 Choose your weapon: SLR versus video camera for filmmaking

Posted by Nick Hope on 10 February 2015 - 05:10 AM

I've noticed more muffled swearing on my GH4 footage than my Sony Z1 footage.


#356232 Your Favourite/Best Image of 2014

Posted by ilanbt on 03 January 2015 - 12:47 PM

Congratulation Alex!

 

My most favorite shot is:

 

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#323202 Highlights of 2012

Posted by escape on 24 December 2012 - 06:33 AM

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I've been lucky to dive a lot of amazing place this year.
This is short compilation of footage from 2012 trips.
Shot on Canon 7D and 5D Mark III in Nauticam.
happy holidays everyone!
EJ.


#323092 Favourite Image Of 2012

Posted by loftus on 21 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

Not just a favorite image also a favorite first time underwater experience for 2012; the sheer chaos and excitement of sailfish in a bait ball. Hopefully I will get to experience it again next month.

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#383225 Exploring the Salish Sea

Posted by stphnmartin on 16 April 2017 - 06:09 PM

A video compilation of diving the Salish Sea during the winter. I tried labeling the critters for identification purposes. Comments & critiques are welcome.

 




#381763 The Mantas Of Addu

Posted by bubffm on 25 February 2017 - 07:20 AM

Attached a little clip from our trip to Addu Atoll, the southernmost Atoll of the Maldives in January 2017. Most scenes are from a single dive at "Manta Point" on 14.01.2017, with a few shots from "Gan Kandu South" dive-site added for good measure.

 

Shot on Sony AX100 camcorder in a Gates housing. Video lights (Keldan 4x) where only used in one shot. All other clips are ambient light shots. Color corrected in Davinci Resolve, edited in Final Cut Pro X.

 

Music: Dag Reinbott: The Saviour

 

Hope you enjoy :-)

 




#380764 Custom white balance and noise

Posted by dreifish on 19 January 2017 - 04:28 AM

Why not just custom white balance whilst descending to target depth? E.g. white balance at say 20 meters and then continue to 40 meters. This way you eliminate some of the blue or green color cast, but are not yet boosting red to extremely noisy levels.

You can certainly experiment with this.

 

With cameras that have a limited range for white balance adjustment (e.g. Sony cameras), this is more or less what you are forced to do since trying to set white balance too deep will likely result in an error.

 

Still, for my tastes, the results of white balancing at a shallower depth and then filming deeper are a bit too greenish-blue. It's not just the color itself, either. A large part of the contrast we perceive in an image comes from color contrast. For example, reds are much more noticeable when placed against green, blue against yellow, etc. So, images that include the warmer tones tend to have more contrast and are more "poppy" than ones that are all just shades of blue and green. 

 

My preference is to use artificial light (strobes or video lights) when filming below 10 meters, and keeping the white balance set to the temperature of the lights. I find that it producing much more pleasing results than trying to shoot with only natural light.

 

Does it accurately reflect what I saw on the dive? No. But for me, photography isn't about striving for the most accurate version of reality. It's about producing beautiful images. Accurately capturing reality is not as straightforward as you might think, anyway, since cameras see the world very differently than our visual system processes the world. Physiologically, most of what you "see" is actually a very detailed model constructed by your brain based on your past experience, based only partially on the limited, low bandwidth real-time input from your eyes. 




#380395 Life in the blue

Posted by Rafa Herrero on 09 January 2017 - 04:38 AM

My last documentary, I hope you enjoy it :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.netflixr...-the-blue-2016/




#379605 Bali Sept 2016

Posted by howeikwok on 14 December 2016 - 12:31 AM

Spent a couple of days in seraya and tulamben
 
 



#379195 Diving the Salish Sea

Posted by stphnmartin on 28 November 2016 - 07:10 PM

Compilation summer video under and above the Salish Sea featuring giant pacific octopus, nudibranchs, wolf eels, war bonnets, decorator crabs and other beautiful marine life. 




#377978 Island of the Gods - Bali

Posted by Oceanshutter on 21 October 2016 - 05:22 AM

Hello everyone,

 

I wanted to share my most recent short film.  This time focusing on the magical world of Bali Indonesia.  This film was one of the lucky 10 minute films accepted into the San Diego Undersea Film Exhibition.  It's got a good variety of dialogue, aerial shots, and of course underwater, macro and wide angle.

 

Curious to hear what your feedback is.  Any constructive criticism is always appreciated.

Enjoy!

 

Dustin

 




#375982 Slow motion from Mediterranean

Posted by lutfu on 10 August 2016 - 09:10 PM

Hello

this is some slow motion footage from Mediterranean waters

I used a GH4 filming this....Music; cafe del mar

thanks




#373842 Diving the Salish Sea

Posted by stphnmartin on 22 May 2016 - 08:57 AM

Here's some footage from winter diving in the Salish Sea. 3 minutes of cold, green water muck diving with beautiful marine life large and small. If you've never seen a pacific spiny lumpsucker, take a look.

 

Comments and critiques welcome.

 




#369106 Great Lakes, not so exotic but worth it just the same!

Posted by Hubby63 on 09 January 2016 - 11:52 AM

I love this part of the wet pixel forum! It's a great spot to see some terrific pics and gather ideas of unique and exotic dive destinations (usually warmer ones)!  But in stepping outside the box, I thought I would post a few pics from our trip last summer to Presque Isle, Michigan.  The PI (as the locals call it) is a wreck divers paradise with stellar viz, pristine wooden 1800's sailing ships, and early 1900's steamers, submerged in the chilly and sometimes even brutally cold Lake Huron waters (mostly less than 200ft/60m).  But if you are dressed right, i.e. drysuit, dry gloves, heated vest etc; you are in for a real treat not found in other parts of the world and well worth the visit!  We did it with Lust4Rust.co diving excursions (noted for CCR/OC wreck diving in such exotic locales as Truk, Bikini, Sri Lanka etc.).  We called it “Lust for Wood” so to speak. 

  

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