> claiming that poor people would have less empathy with whales than rich people is in my opinion a derogatory remark.
Derogatory: tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; depreciatory: a derogatory remark.
Do I sense some hostility for one of my previous remarks
You are taking things (poor/rich) too literally, see below
This is not true: indigenous cultures have much more respect and empathy for their environment than western civilization. However, by western standards these people are considered poor and uncivilized and therefore they would not be able to haveempathy with animals? Maslow’s recognition of self-actualized individuals was almost exclusively limited to Highly Educated White Males.
The indiginous cultures you are referring probably have their basic needs satisfied: food, water, shelter and hence the are able to focus on other things as well e.g. the care, respect, empathy for their environment.
You are misreading my words by taking everything so literally....."poor" should be interpreted as much more than "how much money you have in the bank". Did you ever see me write that I consider another culture as poor and uncivilised??? Indigenous cultures might not even have money, yet they can be rich. And you don't even have go to Africa (to pick just one continent) to find people struggling for life, even your own home country has a 4th World. Ask a single mother of 4 kids in Amsterdam, working 2 jobs to feed her kids and pay the rent if she cares about a whale or any other animal threatend with extinction for that matter...
Vincent, you obviously feel very strongly about Conservationism and I admire your enthousiasm and devotion, but I fear that if you don't get a little more realistic (i.e. acknowledging that there are people out there with another opinion than yours) you are going to become very frustrated.
After your "Jap"-lapsus you said you were going to pick your words more carefully. Well, in order to do so, you might want to apply the PADI's chartflow for an UW stress-situation: (stress = emotions, or this particular discussion)
STOP - BREATHE - THINK - ACT (you're an instructor, right)
It seems to me that due to your strong emotions/believes you are misreading some lines (not only mine, but Drew's as well, cfr previous posts). So next time you don't agree with someone's reaction, you first might want to take time to read it properly, and instead of reacting in the spur of the moment sit back and think and phrase your thoughts,...re-read after a while and see it you still feel the same, re-write if you feel the need and then post.
Edited by bartusderidder, 19 January 2008 - 10:57 AM.