
Ikelite DS 160
#1
Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:11 PM
- 160 watt-sec. power
- Built-in 5-watt LED modeling light
- TTL, Full, plus 9 fractional powers
- 1.5 second recycle time
- 225 full power flashes per charge
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#2
Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:58 PM
Canon 5D Ikelite Housing and strobes
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#3
Posted 20 June 2008 - 03:10 PM
#4
Posted 20 June 2008 - 03:56 PM
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#5
Posted 20 June 2008 - 04:29 PM
An extra 1/2 stop will make a lot of difference in the power though!
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James
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#6
Posted 20 June 2008 - 06:05 PM
#7
Posted 21 June 2008 - 05:09 PM
I switched from the old style 200s to the 125s years ago and never regretted it. The new 160 is just icing on the cake.
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#8
Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:58 AM
http://www.ikelite.c...obe_chart2.html
It has a LED modeling light. Nice.
#9
Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:08 AM
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200
#10
Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:34 AM
Cheers
James
Dual Ikelite Strobes
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#11
Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:42 AM
Your right. It does TTL in conjunction with an Ikelite housing or adapter but otherwise, no. Not a step forward as far as I'm concerned. I would like to see strobes come out of the dark ages and natively support advanced TTL features. Rather than do that they would rather use it as marketing tool.It looks like it does TTL to me with Ikelite housings and compatible cameras - just like the DS125. Did I miss something?
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James
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200
#12
Posted 02 July 2008 - 07:32 PM
His right what?Your right. It does TTL in conjunction with an Ikelite housing or adapter but otherwise, no. Not a step forward as far as I'm concerned. I would like to see strobes come out of the dark ages and natively support advanced TTL features. Rather than do that they would rather use it as marketing tool.

And which make of camera do you think Ikelite should dedicate their strobes to be working natively with? Canon? Nikon? Perhaps they could standardise on Sony or Pentax. That would be really useful.
#13
Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:24 PM
Canon and Nikon would be fine. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to make a base strobe model with interchangeable TTL modules for Nikon and Canon. They do it now except they don't build it into the strobe. They either want to sell you an additional gizmo (TTL adapter) or one of their housings. The problem with external TTL adapters is they're not real reliable and if I wanted an Ikelite housing I'd have one.His right what?
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And which make of camera do you think Ikelite should dedicate their strobes to be working natively with? Canon? Nikon? Perhaps they could standardise on Sony or Pentax. That would be really useful.
Don't get me wrong, Ikelite makes fine products. I own a couple of their strobes but I don't think they're listening to the consumer. At least not this consumer. All I'm asking for is a reliable TTL strobe with the accuracy of my SB-800. Nikon iTTL has been around for quite a while now.
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200
#14
Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:46 PM
With the current system where it is built into the housing, everything from bulkhead on the housing is exactly the same regardless of what type of camera you have. The same sync cables are used for Nikon, Canon or whatever. The strobes are the same. Everything is simple and self contained. The logic for converting from the camera circuitry is in the housing which is made specifically for that camera which is the most logical place for it. If the D700 was to introduce some new iTTL feature, that could be built into the D700 housing and nothing else would need to change.
Now, if the external TTL adapter is not reliable (in your opinion), why would an interchangeable module be any more reliable?
How often have you told Ikelite what you want in a strobe? How many other people have told them the same thing?
#15
Posted 03 July 2008 - 04:59 AM
The problem with external TTL adapters is they're not real reliable
I seldom feel compelled to defend a manufacturer, but this statement is completely contradictory to my experience.
I can say with confidence that the Ikelite TTL converter is a reliable product. It provides the most accurate flash exposures of all of the converters I've tested, requires no batteries/charging, and we haven't fielded a single customer email from someone having trouble that wasn't related to a wiring issue in the housing. We have also had no returns of this product from dissatisfied customers.
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#16
Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:20 AM
I don't know why you assume it would be an extra charge for a TTL module but lets say it is. I'd be willing to pay a little premium for a strobe with up to date electonics. And while we're at it lets come up with a new universal cord design. Fiber optic would be nice.I see a number of problems with interchangeable TTL modules. The first one would be allowing an interchangeable module while still maintaining a sealed unit and keeping the size of the strobe down. I think those to things are mutually exclusive. The second drawback is you'd need to buy the interchangeable module for each strobe you use. I use 2 x DS-125 so I'd need to buy two modules. Third, you'd may have to have dedicated sync cables depending on which interchangeable module you are using.
With the current system where it is built into the housing, everything from bulkhead on the housing is exactly the same regardless of what type of camera you have. The same sync cables are used for Nikon, Canon or whatever. The strobes are the same. Everything is simple and self contained. The logic for converting from the camera circuitry is in the housing which is made specifically for that camera which is the most logical place for it. If the D700 was to introduce some new iTTL feature, that could be built into the D700 housing and nothing else would need to change.
Now, if the external TTL adapter is not reliable (in your opinion), why would an interchangeable module be any more reliable?
How often have you told Ikelite what you want in a strobe? How many other people have told them the same thing?
It's not just my opinion that external adapters are unreliable. Even if they worked perfectly, they add additional unwanted points of failure.
I have expressed my opinion to Ikelite reps and dealers more times than they'd like. If they read this forum, which I know they do, they're aware that a number of people have written about the general poor state of affairs with UW flash photography.
You are obviously an Ikelite system user, that's fine, you're perfectly happy with the staus quo. Don't tell me I shouldn't want something better.
Edited by Lionfish43, 03 July 2008 - 09:24 AM.
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200
#17
Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:25 AM
I also don't think that putting the TTL converter in the strobe is the best solution. Just look at how many versions of the Sea and Sea converter have been released? Nikon/Canon change the TTL protocols so often - would you want to have to send your strobes in for conversion (which would cost money) each time?
Cheers
James
Dual Ikelite Strobes
Photo site - www.reefpix.org
#18
Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:46 AM
my nikon SB800 works great with every recent nikon model so I don't get the statement that the protocol keeps changing. The SB800 has been around for a long time.Interesting.
I also don't think that putting the TTL converter in the strobe is the best solution. Just look at how many versions of the Sea and Sea converter have been released? Nikon/Canon change the TTL protocols so often - would you want to have to send your strobes in for conversion (which would cost money) each time?
Cheers
James
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200
#19
Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:51 AM
Well if Nikon would make the converter to go into the strobe then that would be another story :-) But they do not - Heinrich+Sea and Sea or Ikelite do - and they had to make a I, II, and III to keep up w/ Nikon - whereas Nikon just made the SB800.
Cheers
James
Dual Ikelite Strobes
Photo site - www.reefpix.org
#20
Posted 03 July 2008 - 06:28 AM
That's what I would really like to see, a new fully compatible UW Nikon flash unit. I guess no one has fully figured out the Nikon protocol.Hi Larry,
Well if Nikon would make the converter to go into the strobe then that would be another story :-) But they do not - Heinrich+Sea and Sea or Ikelite do - and they had to make a I, II, and III to keep up w/ Nikon - whereas Nikon just made the SB800.
Cheers
James
Nikon D200, Aquatica AD200