
Ikonoskop A-Cam dII - a new RAW HD camera
#1
Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:52 AM
The format is 1920x1080p, 1-60fps uncompressed RAW, recorded to a 80GB memory cartridge designed by Ikonoskop. Obviously comparisons with the Red Camera will be made, since the A-Cam can also use PL as well as Leica, IMS and C-mount lenses. Unlike Red One, which uses a compressed Raw format to fit in flashcards, the Raw format of the A-Cam is just individual image files thrown into a sequence. Basically it's a 2 megapixel still camera on steriods. It even uses a Sony NPF770 battery as a powersource.
The memory cartridge records at 240MB/s but crazily it uses USB 2.0 as an output. That means it'll be deadly slow downloading 80gb worth of data, which is equivalent to 12 minutes of images at 25fps.
With the super light and small size, housing this camera will be easier than the bigger Red One. And it looks uber-cool too! Of course, there is a prototype out so hopefully it won't turn into a Red style delayed launch.
Hopefully, housing makers will see this as an opportunity to raise the bar.
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#2
Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:06 AM
Ikonoskop, famous for the very cool super lightweight S16mm film camera, the A-Cam SP-16, has announced its digital offering, the A-Cam dII. This new camera, styled like the SP-16 but with a side view finder, weighs less than 1.5kg (battery and memory drive) + the weight of the lense, making it possibly the lightest and smallest 1080p (2/3" sensor equivalent) HD camera in the world.
The format is 1920x1080p, 1-60fps uncompressed RAW, recorded to a 80GB memory cartridge designed by Ikonoskop. Obviously comparisons with the Red Camera will be made, since the A-Cam can also use PL as well as Leica, IMS and C-mount lenses. Unlike Red One, which uses a compressed Raw format to fit in flashcards, the Raw format of the A-Cam is just individual image files thrown into a sequence. Basically it's a 2 megapixel still camera on steriods. It even uses a Sony NPF770 battery as a powersource.
The memory cartridge records at 240MB/s but crazily it uses USB 2.0 as an output. That means it'll be deadly slow downloading 80gb worth of data, which is equivalent to 12 minutes of images at 25fps.
With the super light and small size, housing this camera will be easier than the bigger Red One. And it looks uber-cool too! Of course, there is a prototype out so hopefully it won't turn into a Red style delayed launch.
Hopefully, housing makers will see this as an opportunity to raise the bar.
Should be interesting, maybe Red may step up the Scarlet a bit? A quicker interface and larger drive will be nice and I am sure it will all be coming. Exciting times and changes and looking forward to one of these down the road.
#3
Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:50 AM
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#4
Posted 11 September 2008 - 07:18 AM
Paul Kay,Canon EOS5DII SEACAM c/w S45, 8-15, 24L,35L, 60/2.8 (+Ext12II) & 100/2.8 Macros - Sony A7II SEACAM 28/2 & 50/2.8 Macro - UK/Ireland Seacam Sales -see marinewildlife
#5
Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:50 AM
Craig, with DNG, the recording goes down to 3+ minutes, not exactly optimal. It'll be interesting to see the Raw converter for sequences. I'd hate to see Aperture work on 80GB... it'd be tortuously slow. I hope computers will hit 1thz. I can imagine post will be done in uncompressed or HDCAM converted.
This camera is placed above Scarlet. At €7000, it's right between Scarlet and Red One, which is a great place to be.
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#6
Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:15 AM
Paul, it takes the Leica M mount.
There's a strong rumour that Leica are about to release a 50mm f/0.95 and both 21 and 24mm f/1.4 lenses - we'll find out on 15th.
There are lenses such as the 10mm designed for Leicina and R adapters (I use a 16mm R lens on my M8) and a plethora of 'X' to M adapters. (From a personal perspective) this is the first video that I would be photographically interesting to use.
Paul Kay,Canon EOS5DII SEACAM c/w S45, 8-15, 24L,35L, 60/2.8 (+Ext12II) & 100/2.8 Macros - Sony A7II SEACAM 28/2 & 50/2.8 Macro - UK/Ireland Seacam Sales -see marinewildlife
#7
Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:59 AM
I think the idea with a video camera that records raw is to produce a codec that allows the output to be edited or transcoded using conventional video tools. I wonder if there's room for a tool that works somewhat differently from that? What would a tool look like that started out as a still raw converter and grew to integrate motion capability? The mind wobbles...
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#8
Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:54 AM
What would a tool look like that started out as a still raw converter and grew to integrate motion capability? The mind wobbles...
Just whhen we began to think Terrabyte drives would work for just a short period of time

#9
Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:45 AM
I just timed Aperture to process 16 8MB Raw files to 4mb jpeg (sort of HDCAM SR compression ratio of 2:1) on a 2.4 MBP... it ain't purdy but it's workable. Sure could use 10ghz computers with 80GB RAM with a fsb of 1thz.

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#10
Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:16 PM
I think there's a whole world of opportunity to discover now that video cameras can give us everything they capture rather than just the 10% they decide not to throw away in their rush to write some crap out to a low bandwidth tape!
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#11
Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:20 PM
Going back to video RAW of the Ikonoskop, it'll be interesting to see what ISO settings they have per se, noise reduction etc. It's really compact so I'm assuming a lot of that will be done in post, much like a real film camera, except you get to choose the film speed of course.
I did manage to get a few housing manufacturers to look into it and one has even offered to design a housing if I provide the camera and lenses. Slap a digiprime 5 and 7mm or even the Zeiss DistagonT*XP 6 and 9.5 and this baby will rock underwater. It'll also cost 25k. Red shoots 2k at 120fps and 3k at 60fps but not in such a small package and not in uncompressed RAW files. Will be interesting to see if Ikonoskop will use a Bayer filter on a CMOS sensor.
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#12
Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:55 PM
http://stopmebeforei...e/#comment-1578
The memory cartridge seems to be 5x 16GB solid state memory cards in a RAID 0 config. It must the latest UDMA cards which have up to 45MB/s write speed. And now even Canon and Nikon mount? December launch! Woohoo
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#13
Posted 13 September 2008 - 03:41 PM
What raw converters have you used?Aperture may suck for speed but it has the best noise reduction and sharpening tools of the raw converters I've used.
I auditioned Aperture for the third time recently but it is so bug-riddled I couldn't complete basic tasks. The loupe shows nothing but junk on some my imported images and my machine locks up for minutes at a time. It can't figure out from metadata what camera I'm using and I see no way to disable raw processing in order to do a good icc profile. It's a current, purchased Aperture with all updates applied and I tested it with supported cameras within the last 3 weeks.
Aperture has better sharpening tools than Raw Developer? How are you evaluating this?
I don't know how to evaluate noise reduction in raw converters since it's hard to tell noise from quantizing errors. Even the programmers confuse the terms. All I know is that ACR has problems with shadow areas. Aperture is better there from what I've seen but it is not better than RPP or RD. When I'm convinced that noise reduction is a task best performed inside the converter I will care more. For now, I'd just like the converter to stop smushing all the details. That's why I've decided to stop using ACR.
I can't even figure out what working space Aperture uses internally.
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#14
Posted 13 September 2008 - 04:18 PM
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#15
Posted 14 September 2008 - 05:21 AM
The camera's sensor is the new Kodak CCD with global shutter... no rolling shutter issues! It records ONLY in RAW wrapped in DNG (no TIFF). Seems like Adobe will have a head start then. They've sold out the first batch already. Next week they'll have a workshop with the prototype in Stockholm. Very tempting to go!
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#16
Posted 14 September 2008 - 05:56 AM
just timed Aperture to process 16 8MB Raw files to 4mb jpeg (sort of HDCAM SR compression ratio of 2:1) on a 2.4 MBP... it ain't purdy but it's workable. Sure could use 10ghz computers with 80GB RAM with a fsb of 1thz. smile.gif
I still remember being being so excited when I got my first machines that broke the 100mhz barrier. When it comes to these things it is always a variation of the better mouse trap - we get our faster computers then they come out with things that need even more. Do like the specs you proposed though for the new computer

More from IBC:
The camera's sensor is a CCD with global shutter... no rolling shutter issues! It records ONLY in RAW wrapped in DNG (no TIFF). Seems like Adobe will have a head start then. They've sold out the first batch already. Next week they'll have a workshop with the prototype in Stockholm. Very tempting to go!
Stockholm is a great city, you might as well go. I am seeing a new toy in your immediate future

#17
Posted 14 September 2008 - 12:29 PM
http://www.kodak.com.../overview.jhtml
The workshop is in 2 weeks, not next week. I guess they need to rest after IBC. I'd love to party at Birger and Sture again but since I'm not single, it's just not the same.

Drew
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#18
Posted 18 September 2008 - 08:10 AM
Drew
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#19
Posted 20 November 2008 - 01:55 AM
http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/footage/
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#20
Posted 31 October 2009 - 12:32 PM