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#21 jonny shaw

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 11:38 AM

Within geographical areas including Seas or even Oceans? The answer is hundreds of species have become geographically extinct due to commercial fishing. A lack of awareness is part of the problem.

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Seriously Simon I actually looked into this during my degree, yes commercial fisheries have caused a collapse of fisheries but that does not mean extinction. Do a little research and I will be surprised if there is one caused directly from commercial fisheries.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 02:11 AM

So what causes fish extinction and why is everyone so worried about the sharks and blames the fishermen, what's all the fuss about Jonny?

Surely it's hypocritical to be a conservationist and underwater enthusiast and still eat fish???

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 03:28 AM

Before this derails, let's remember that the last time we had this conversation here, it did NOT result in a good discussion.

Sri -- fantastic work on the cut. It's beautiful and powerful. I'm going to highlight it on the front page...
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:15 AM

I can come across a little unforgiving when this topic comes up for discussion, so apologies if I sound like a raving banshee :bottled: No one wants to fall out with anyone over this and I'm certainly not trying to wind anyone up or make anyone look silly ... however it is a fact that species have become extinct within geographical areas due to commercial fishing and I'm not just talking about the collapse of the fishing stock or individual species becoming not viable to fish commercially.

By geographical limits I'm not talking about individual bays or stretches of coasts either, but entire seas or even oceans. Two recent examples off the top of my head. Firstly the Angel Shark was declared biologically extinct in the North Sea due to commercial fishing. Secondly the Oceanic White Tip was declared biologically extinct in the Gulf of Mexico due to commercial fishing and that was just a bycatch fishery and not even a targeted one. Unfortunately the list goes on and on and on and when you add on marine mammals the number increases yet again as we have had seal, whale and dungong extinctions due to commercial fishing.

Species like Cod are more resistant and despite massive targeted fisheries I think you are correct in stating that they have not been declared extinct due to commercial fishing. However when a targeted fishery collapses it very often never returns. Off the top of my head within UK waters we have had Cod, Sardine, Pilchard, Herring and Haddock fisheries all collapse and never return. Move onto other areas and target them there and eventually you will drive them to extinction. Like I said in my previous post we are running out of 'next targets'.

I'll sign off now, but I hope no one has taken offense. Personally I blame Steve for bringing the topic up and Sri for posting that video in the first place!! :P

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 05:00 AM

Sri, I wasn't offended but just thinking about the possible reactions. I know the Zoo crew... so Jason, I know you guys wouldn't try that here. :bottled: You still going to Indo later this month? I'm at the island on monday I think.



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Posted 06 November 2008 - 09:40 AM

Yeah Simon, go on and blame the poor old guy. Didn't think it would be such an extended conversation but it was a healthy one never the less.
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 01:20 PM

No offense taken at all Simon and healthy discussion is always thought provoking.
My true belief is that our oceans are in serious trouble and by saying that there hasn't been any extinctions (total not geographical) does not mean there isn't an issue. There is an a massive one certain fisheries are in a dire problem and certain methods are so destructive that they should be stopped now; shark, deep sea and benthic trawling just to name a few. I also wonder if fishermen were made to count bycatch in their quota then that would actually cause them to address that huge issue and make them fish smarter.

This is always a topic that stirs strong emotions, I don't think the thread has derailed yet either.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 01:39 PM

Yeah I agree with Simon... If you eat fish you suck !!! how do you sleep at night.. I cant believe anyone would eat those stinking, fin wearing, salty tasting freaks of the ocean... ;) :guiness:

Personally i do not like seafood.. 90% because i don't like the smell/ taste 10% ethics... As all stocks dwindle I think we should look at our eating habits... At least for the time being...

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 08:36 PM

Sri, I wasn't offended but just thinking about the possible reactions. I know the Zoo crew... so Jason, I know you guys wouldn't try that here. ;) You still going to Indo later this month? I'm at the island on monday I think.



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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:39 PM

Sorry I am late to the action...just returned from 2 weeks of conservation filming in Raja Ampat. Firstly Sri, I found this piece truly inspiring and masterfully done. Your work is commendable! It was art, science, and conservation wrapped nicely in one compelling package. And...the footage was stunning.

I am also inspired to see more folks creating more works that call out the conservation message. I seem to be spending most of my film work these days focused on exactly this. And, I have to say at this point there is no way to inflate the seriousness of the state of our oceans. If all the thousands of members of this forum quit their jobs today and went on a crusade to chanting "our oceans are dying now", it would still be a mass understatement of how bad it is.

I have the good fortune (and sometimes burden) of filming projects in some of the most "pristine" and "protected" spots in the ocean. What I am documenting on a daily basis is appalling and tragic. The environmental abuses and species destruction are beyond description. This video offers a real view into this state, and inspires me to keep going and improve.

Thank you again for sharing this!

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 08:05 PM

Hey

Can I forward a few of you guys to http://forums.creati...dpost/27/857086

Where there is another slant on discussions about this film.

Thanks again

Sri