I listed my camera system on ebay, I also listed it on here as well (http://wetpixel.com/...showtopic=28970)
Today I got this email from a ebay member :
This member has a question for you.
Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn More <http://pages.ebay.co...ebay-sale.html> .
Hi, I am a very serious buyer and am afraid of being scammed, I want to buy a cam through ebay and I was curious if I could get your phone number so I could call you about your camera? I need one for a project I am working on and am kinda last minute trying to get one in time. This is an expensive item and I would like to talk on the phone about it with a real person rather than through email, too many scammers on here. If you write me back with your number and a time, I will call, thanks! Here is my phone#, call me anytime 561-xxx-xxxx - Adam
Answer the question
So I call him up, and the conversation was the wierdest Ive ever had. Ill try to quote it from memory.
ME: Hi, is this Adam.
ADAM: yes, im adam.
ME: i got your email, im callilng because you had questions on my auction.
ADAM: yeah, which one was yours again? I emailed a few different people.
ME: item xxxxxxxxxx, the sony bluefin complete kit, with sony a1u camera.
ADAM: oh yeah, got it right here, what were you using that thing for?
ME: just casual videography in the ocean, filming on my diving trips.
ADAM: Thats cool, I have a saltwater tank at my house.
ME: *pause*. cool. You had a question about my auction?
ADAM: yeah, whats that little controller in one of your pictures? Is that some video game thing like a psp?
ME: no, its the remote monitor for the camera.
ADAM: how much did you pay for all that stuff?
ME: about 10k, (i broke it all down for him)
ADAM: you have reciepts for all of it?
ME: yeah, would you like me to send you a copy of my reciepts?
ADAM: nope, thats cool. Im a editor, my partner is a diver, hes the videographer, we buy cameras and then sell them after the job.
ME: oh, so you edit, nice. What program do you use?
ADAM: stutter...uh..well, it depends, lots of different ones.. i just bought a mac tower and I think the software im using is ..uhh..ends with pro or something.
ME: Final cut pro?
ADAM: yeah, thats it. is that a good program? Im just starting with it.
ME: yeah, its a great program.
ADAM: yeah, im just a college kid, im broke actually, after buying that mac and everything. Still need to buy the FInal cut pro.
ME: I see. hmm.. okay. so what kind of videography do you do?
ADAM: umm...well, lots of different stuff, it varies. What my company does is we buy a camera for every job we get, then sell all the gear right after. Sometimes we make money, sometimes we lose a bit. But thats how we do it, just buy a camera, shoot the job, then sell it all.
ME: Interesting, so what kind of jobe? like ??? can you give me a example?
ADAM: umm..yeah, uhh..different stuff, lots of it varies, just depends..yeah, uhh.. we just did a documentary on Buffalo soldiers.
Me: oh, interesting. (im thinking maybe he shoots porn? but then after his next statement I dont think the guys ever used a video camera in his life)
ADAM: so, I see this camera is about 4 years old, but I looked it up online and I saw a guy selling a more expensive camera to go buy one of these. Are they a really good camera?
ME: yeah, alot of videographers use them for B footage so they dont have to bring out their bigger camera, or bring this camera along for shots to go with the main camera their shooting with.
ADAM: *long , long pause* uhh...oh..thats uh... interesting. (I think he has no idea what b footage means)
ME: yeah, so anything else?
ADAM: so, what does b stock mean, your ad said the camera was b-stock.
ME: just means the camera could have been a demo, used and resold, fixed and resold, etc.
ADAM: oh, but it works right?
ME: yeah, absolutely. Any other questions?
ADAM: yeah, would you take 3,700?
ME: no, I have it on ebay for 4k, but it now for 5k. So no, i wouldnt. I might take $3,800 minimum.
ADAM: let me call you back in 5 min, I want to buy this camera, but need to ask my business partner.
ME: no problem..thanks..
5 minutes later my phone rings.
ADAM: hey, its me adam, ill buy it, can you log into ebay, change the buy it now to $3,800?
ME: sure. (i then go to ebay and change it)
ADAM: cool, thanks. Just bought it, and doing paypal to you right now.
ME: okay, ill get it shipped as soon as paypal clears.
ADAM: actually, the money will be tied up until we are both happy, to prevent fraud, so you need to ship it to me. Just do 3 day instead of ground so it wont get beat up in freight. It shouldt be too much more., also, get a signature required and make sure you insure it. Ive been through all of this stuff and you need to protect yourself to make sure
your not going to get scammed.
ME: okay (red flashing lights are going off now in my head, yelling danger, danger)
ADAM: okay, so your going to send the tracking number as soon as it ships right?
ME: yep, i will email it to you tomorrow.
ADAM: thanks! looking forward to getting it.
So I log into paypal, see he made the payment, and yes, hes correct, since its a electronic item, and the fact I have less than 100 feedbacks, the funds are held for 21 days, but MAY be released by paypal if either he leaves positive feedback, or if the package was delivered, (fed ex, ups).
So im not sure whats going on, but I look on ebay for his username, which is r**f (thats really his username on ebay, the asteriks and all)
Hes got 58 feedbacks, and they are all camera systems or camera accessories. were talking $1,000 to $6,000 systems. And hes buying a system every week or so. And hes got 100 a+ feedback. SO i went and emailed every person I could that sold him something. Some items were removed, so I could no longer look at the sellers name, but I managed to email about 7 people. I then did a 411 lookup on the number he gave me, and its registered to a ADAM FOX, with a address. in florida, in the same city he lists in his shipping address. But this is where it gets wierd.
His ebay my world name is this:
eBay My World: kzfproductions( 58Feedback score is 50 to 99)
His shipping address is from paypal is as follows:
Ship to this address:
6586 Hypoluxo Road
Lake Worth, FL 33467
So that gives me another red flag. I dont know much about ebay, but maybe your ebay world can be different than your username to bid?
Anyways, So now im thinking hes a scammer, maybe he jacked someones account and is trying to use it maliciously, so I send him this email from my ebay account (want to make sure I have records of our transaction):
Hi Adam, thanks for you email, I understand your concern about fraud. Its a concern of mine as well. Im ready to ship my product, but am conerned about a couple of things.
1) I noticed you changed your ebay name recently. All your previous listing were under the name R**F.
Why did you change your name?
2)I see you want me to ship it to a business address, to a suite. This concerns me as its easy for someone to hang outside a suite inside a building and sign for a package, especially since you want me to address it as "Devrollo, Inc" , instead of your name. Is there any way you can send me a copy of your drivers license (you can blur out the number if your conerned about fraud), I just would like to make sure you are a real person with a real address. I also am going to call the city of Lake Worth, Florida tomorrow and make sure the business license for Devrolla Inc, has your name on it. As long as that checks out, I will feel alot better knowing this isnt a scam.
Thanks again, and hope to send this off soon!
You will be happy with it.
In the mean time, I get a email from one of the people he bought from, (and yes, I did consider that it could be a inside man for him, but I doubt it, thats just getting too paranoid)
Heres the email I got:
100.0% Positive Feedback
Member since Dec-08-05 in United States
Location: LA, United States
I'm not sure what he buys the cameras for. He seems to buy up a lot of them and I suspect he either tries to resell them or something not sure. He seemed nice though and was helpful and made a smooth transaction and everything. I talked to him on the phone too. I was a little afraid that he was going to scam me, but I got the money and it's been two weeks since the transaction, and everything went well. The only hick-up is that he still hasn't left me feedback. He said he would as soon as he opened the box, and apparently the box is in his UPS store box and he's having some sort of trouble accessing it. I feel like maybe there's something more to it like he's a middle man for someone else's purchases, but whatever he does with them doesn't concern me as long as I got my money, which I did, and everything went through ebay so I was protected.I think maybe he tries to contact the person outside in order to try and get the best price instead of waiting it out and bidding. In my case I wasn't sure I'd get anything so I was happy. I don't think he's out to scam you. It's just a little strange, but everything worked out fine for me.
So now, I ask you guys, what do you think? First Im sure hes a scammer, now he seems legit. What would you do?
Edited by gbrandon, 03 March 2009 - 12:33 AM.