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#1 kaarlin

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:20 AM

Anyone using the 14-24mm lens in the sea&sea domeport. Which extensionring are you using? I tried it withe the largest of the two extensionrings (561) but that was terrible. The lens is to far in the dome and most part of the picture is unsharp.

How about the sea&sea dome with the Athena extensionring? Is this a good option? Or is anybody using the Athena domeport and Athena extensionring. Athena

I'm looking for the right setup for this lens and there is no signal from Sea&sea at all about it

Edited by kaarlin, 29 April 2009 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 09:37 PM

I would use the Athena one as it is made specially for the lens.
I mean, if I had an FX body...
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 05:04 AM

Hi Karin,

I have been using the Athena 220 mm dome and Athena extension for the Olympus 7 to 14 zoom with the E-410, E-520 and E-3 in the SeaTool housing. The results are very sharp corners. I would also suggest that you check with reefphoto.com in regard to the Zen Underwater port for the same lens. It uses the Athena dome glass with a different housing mount.

The Nikon 14 to 24 is an outstanding lens for 35 mm format and this will be one of the best choices to reduce corner issues.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 12:25 PM

Hi phil

I just spoke to Ryan about it. He tried it with the Zen dome and Athena extensionring. The Zemdome
Is the same dome as the Athena. Ryan said the corners were ok at 19mm. Ofcourse I also want sharp corners at 14mm. The Sea&sea dome is wider so what I think is that the Sea&sea dome with the Atena extensionring is the best solution but I'm not sure if I'm right. I hope that somebody tried this already.

Aquatica succeeded in getting good results with this lens. I really hope that this will be the same with Sea&sea. I think it is strange that Sea&sea doesn't have an extensionring and zoomring for this lens yet.

Karin

Edited by kaarlin, 30 April 2009 - 12:31 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 02:16 PM

Hi Karin,

I'm headed to my printer after work to pick up my new 5' x 7.5' test chart, and my buddy is warming up his pool. If you can wait until after the weekend I'll have samples of the Sea & Sea NX Fisheye Dome, Optical Dome, Pro One Dome, and Zen Dome. :blink:

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 03:05 PM

Aquatica succeeded in getting good results with this lens.

Karin

Can you refer me to any objective tests demonstrating this?
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 07:05 PM

Loftus, i was able to work with Aquatica. For me the results were ok. At 14mm and f8 there is no unshapness. For me that is fine. You can read my review at divephotoguide. I will use this camera with my model work and I won't work under f8 and most of the time I would not use the corners of a frame frequently. So if I work under f8 it won't be a problem.

I think Ron Offermans worked with this rig while diving in the Dutch waters. Maybe he can show some of his results here....


Ryan: great that you will take the efford to test all in the swimmingpool. Ofcourse it is no problem to wait!

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 11:16 PM

Loftus, i was able to work with Aquatica. For me the results were ok. At 14mm and f8 there is no unshapness. For me that is fine. You can read my review at divephotoguide. I will use this camera with my model work and I won't work under f8 and most of the time I would not use the corners of a frame frequently. So if I work under f8 it won't be a problem.

I think Ron Offermans worked with this rig while diving in the Dutch waters. Maybe he can show some of his results here....


Ryan: great that you will take the efford to test all in the swimmingpool. Ofcourse it is no problem to wait!


Hi Karin,

Iím still waiting for that superdome. In the meanwhile I am using the 6 inch. That dome isnít perfect off course with the 14-24, but not bad either.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 11:31 PM

If you can wait until after the weekend I'll have samples of the Sea & Sea NX Fisheye Dome, Optical Dome, Pro One Dome, and Zen Dome. :blink:

I could wait until next year for that! Thanks!
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Posted 01 May 2009 - 03:05 AM

Hi Ron

Thanks for answering. What a pit you don't have the superdome yet!
I was hoping you could show dome "fieldresults".
Karin

Edited by kaarlin, 01 May 2009 - 03:08 AM.

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 03:35 AM

Loftus, i was able to work with Aquatica. For me the results were ok. At 14mm and f8 there is no unshapness. For me that is fine. You can read my review at divephotoguide. I will use this camera with my model work and I won't work under f8 and most of the time I would not use the corners of a frame frequently. So if I work under f8 it won't be a problem.

I think Ron Offermans worked with this rig while diving in the Dutch waters. Maybe he can show some of his results here....


Ryan: great that you will take the efford to test all in the swimmingpool. Ofcourse it is no problem to wait!

Thanks Karin; I did see your pool stuff, very nice.
I think from what we've seen so far the 14-24 works well at 8-11 with most dome setups; at least in real world shooting. As far as objective pool tests go, Steve Frink showed good results with a Seacam setup I think to 5.6, but then I think the testing setup was a little arbitrary.
As you mention turning up the ISO is no longer a no no with the new cameras, and I consider ISO adjustment now to be a new third exposure control that I can freely adjust up to about 1600.

Edited by loftus, 01 May 2009 - 03:42 AM.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 12:45 PM

and Ryan, were you able to test everything?

I'm very curious@

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 10:33 PM

Hi Karin,

I'm headed to my printer after work to pick up my new 5' x 7.5' test chart, and my buddy is warming up his pool. If you can wait until after the weekend I'll have samples of the Sea & Sea NX Fisheye Dome, Optical Dome, Pro One Dome, and Zen Dome. :)



What happened to those port tests? Has anyone used the Athena or Zen glass dome with the 14-24 @ 14mm with good results?

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 06:42 AM

Although I have not been out to test the 14-24 in the MDX with anything other than the Sea & Sea port...Ive spoken with quite a number of people trying several ports...and no luck yet with the 14-24 wider than 18mm...its a real bummer to say the least.
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 07:14 AM

Hi Alex, Karin,

I was in the pool with about 20 lenses in 6 domes, and digesting those results and assembling a report has been very slow going...

In short, there isn't a setup I'm comfortable with for 14-24. All spheric domes exhibit corner softness...

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:44 AM

Hi Alex, Karin,

I was in the pool with about 20 lenses in 6 domes, and digesting those results and assembling a report has been very slow going...

In short, there isn't a setup I'm comfortable with for 14-24. All spheric domes exhibit corner softness...


Thanks Ryan,
Is there any combination that is better than the sea&sea fisheye port and the 60mm extension ring for the D3?
I will do some tests again in july when I get accesses to a pool daily :)

// Alex

Edited by AlexDawson, 12 June 2009 - 09:44 AM.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:46 AM

Thanks Ryan,
Is there any combination that is better than the sea&sea fisheye port and the 60mm extension ring for the D3?
I will do some tests again in july when I get accesses to a pool daily :)

// Alex


No, that is as good as it gets.

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 10:10 AM

Anyone using the 14-24mm lens in the sea&sea domeport. Which extensionring are you using? I tried it withe the largest of the two extensionrings (561) but that was terrible. The lens is to far in the dome and most part of the picture is unsharp.

How about the sea&sea dome with the Athena extensionring? Is this a good option? Or is anybody using the Athena domeport and Athena extensionring. Athena

I'm looking for the right setup for this lens and there is no signal from Sea&sea at all about it


Hi kaarlin,

I just bought a Subal housing for my Nikon D700. As an owner of the Nikon 14-24mm I am now following the discussions about the right setup for this lens for several month now on Wetpixel. And I am still not sure what to buy (dome port, extension ring, buy a different lens...) like you are, kaarlin. The Subal DP-SUP seems to be a good option for Subal owners for example, but I am not sure.

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The pool shots Subal send me looked ok at f8 and even better at f16. Is anybody using this setup in the field?

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 10:17 AM

That's interesting, Sebatian. Subal sent you shots of the setup but that's not generally available? Why would they not want people to see how the port works for lenses? Surely it's not a bandwidth issue.

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 01:52 PM

That's interesting, Sebatian. Subal sent you shots of the setup but that's not generally available? Why would they not want people to see how the port works for lenses? Surely it's not a bandwidth issue.


Hi Drew,

I don't know if I have understood your answer correctly. I will try to clarify my intention behind my question. Some time ago (march 2009) I asked Subal if there are any test shots available for this special dome port for the Nikon 14-24mm. Subal Europe (Mr. Rolf Sempert) answered my question and sent me a few test shots (plain pool shots, no test charts were used) along with his email. Now that I received my Subal ND700 this weekend I was wondering if anybody is using the Subal DP-SUP in the field and can provide some real world shots (eg. reef scenery). I just couldn't find any shots on the net (on Wetpixel) that were taken with the Subal DP-SUP. I just would like to see something different than just pool shots before spending a lot money for this port. As far as I remember this port was shown on Dema 2008 for the first time (?)

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So I was hoping that at least a few people already bought this expensive port and can show us some shots. :)

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