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[jmauricio]

http://www.prnewswir...0-80854027.html

hearing from folks here at CES that u/w housings are due out for autumn '10.

[Drew]

Damn I have to get up earlier to beat you all. Been scooped twice now.

Panasonic has announced the HD 3D camcorder which utilizes a dual lens system and records to SDHC cards for easy editing on Mac and PC. To complement the new camcorder, HD 3D Blu Ray players and HDTV have also been introduced to offer a full solution, in order to scoop the HD 3D market. If this is priced well, I think it'll be a hit but wearing those LCD 3D glasses are a pain. I mean if you have a party, you have to buy like 50 of them for everyone to enjoy? How practical is that? Well maybe if Oliver People design a cooler looking one, it'll be a hit in LA.

Here is the press release for the camera:

And the Panasonic 3D website.

And of course their 2D promo video:

[Ferg42]

Looks like you'd need a pretty big dome to accommodate those twin lenses on the camera! Just thinking about the pics I saw of the IMAX 3D housing.

[Drew]

Fergus, it really depends on the lens MFD. If it's close enough than a 10-12" dome should cover it as the DOF from each lens should be 7x that of a 35mm APS-C sensor. I doubt it'll be very wide but we'll have to wait for the specs.
It'll be interesting but I would definitely ban Lars Von Trier from using this camera... I get a bit tipsy with his 2D films... I'd totally lose it if it went 3D! I saw 2 kids hurl from watching Avatar last week.
3D content is also coming in a big way. Sony, Imax and Discovery have a 3D channel planned, as does ESPN for FIFA World Cup in South Africa.

[loftus]

Do you think 3D is here to stay? I'm sad I can't really enjoy this technology as I'm amblyopic. Learned 3d vision and depth perception are fine, but unable to take advantage of 3D glasses etc.More importantly will I be unable to watch anything produced in 3D and at least see it the way I'm used to.

Edited by loftus, 07 January 2010 - 05:02 AM.

[scorpio_fish]

Do you think 3D is here to stay? I'm sad I can't really enjoy this technology as I'm amblyopic. Learned 3d vision and depth perception are fine, but unable to take advantage of 3D glasses etc.More importantly will I be unable to watch anything produced in 3D and at least see it the way I'm used to.

Geeze, I just learned a new word, amblyopic. I had monovision lasik, so 3D doesn't work for me, although I have some glasses I can put on.

[Drew]

Do you think 3D is here to stay? I'm sad I can't really enjoy this technology as I'm amblyopic. Learned 3d vision and depth perception are fine, but unable to take advantage of 3D glasses etc.More importantly will I be unable to watch anything produced in 3D and at least see it the way I'm used to.

Well from what I know, Amblyopia affects 3-4% of the population? Would TVdom want to exclude that market? I think 3D will be a force but it won't take over 2D for many years to come. By then, you're be able to grow a new healthier you and transfer all memory. I saw the 3D game between USC and Ohio and it's pretty darn cool though.The added bandwidth and the need for glasses will be the deterrent that keeps it from overwhelming the market.

[loftus]

Well from what I know, Amblyopia affects 3-4% of the population? Would TVdom want to exclude that market? I think 3D will be a force but it won't take over 2D for many years to come. By then, you're be able to grow a new healthier you and transfer all memory. I saw the 3D game between USC and Ohio and it's pretty darn cool though.The added bandwidth and the need for glasses will be the deterrent that keeps it from overwhelming the market.

At the moment if one watches a 3D production without glasses one sees a double image correct? Should be able to make a monocular that blocks out the one color and see a 3D image in 2D I would think. Or at least if it comes to TV, turn off one channel or something.

Edited by loftus, 07 January 2010 - 05:58 AM.

[MikeVeitch]

I saw the 3D game between USC and Ohio and it's pretty darn cool though.

Eh?!?! You watch sports?! wow, I am shocked

[jmauricio]

Damn I have to get up earlier to beat you all. Been scooped twice now.

I was at the event so thought i'd put a post up when i got back to my hotel.

someone asked me over email who i heard aboug u/w housings. I spoke to a panasonic rep who said no working models went out to 3 different housing manufacturers at the end of last year so they can start modelling the form factor.

Do you think 3D is here to stay?

That is a tough one and something i'm westling with at the moment. love to hear thoughts on this board. It is really for active TV watching. does anyone do that anymore? perhaps like HD it starts with documentaries and sports, things we pay attention too. but i have a hard time believing a couple will get home from work, sit on the sofa, put on glasses and watch 30 Rock in 3D. That said. all the big content owners are on board. Dreamworks have been shooting exculsively in 3D since '07. Sony is in love with it too. directv is also committing to 3 3D channels by Jun '10. Here is what the industry is up to. it doesn't matter if 3D is 80% of your viewing or 20%. you still need a new TV. Glasses. new blu-ray discs, etc. oh and for content producers, new camera, more memory, upgraded post processing tools. and so the purchasing cycle continues.

[Drew]

At the moment if one watches a 3D production without glasses one sees a double image correct? Should be able to make a monocular that blocks out the one color and see a 3D image in 2D I would think. Or at least if it comes to TV, turn off one channel or something.

If you were the glasses, you just see 2D no? The lack of depth is the issue so you can enjoy the glasses and itchiness that goes with it.

Eh?!?! You watch sports?! wow, I am shocked

Yes and I even play sports unlike you! Hey it was 3D of the football game in a theater for the first time, I went for the experience. Plus Trojans rock, or so said my ex ex ex gf

I was at the event so thought i'd put a post up when i got back to my hotel.

I was planning on going for it but with Umar issues, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

but i have a hard time believing a couple will get home from work, sit on the sofa, put on glasses and watch 30 Rock in 3D. That said. all the big content owners are on board.

I wouldn't watch 30Rock even if a bunch of Elite models wanted to sit on my sofa to do so, no less in 3D.
I think that's where it'll go... to movies (mainly action, animated, scifi) but normal stuff like La Abrazos Rozos or comedies I doubt it. I'm glad it's mainstream media is going 3D first cos if the porn industry beat them out again, it'd be a pretty sad thing!
The more interest thing is the Viera with Skype. Imagine a 3D tele conference... online chat will never be the same again

[jonny shaw]

I get a bit tipsy with his 2D films... I'd totally lose it if it went 3D! I saw 2 kids hurl from watching Avatar last week.

That's funny, I watched a week ago and it was amazing but it did do my head in after 2 hrs, I'm not sold on watching everything in 3D.

Hey Drew, How do you edit 3D?

[Drew]

Should work the same way. Panasonic has a plug-in for the codec stream so it's straightforward editing. I guess you have to wear the glasses to edit too.

[Steve Douglas]

Those cheapo 3D cardboard glasses give me a headache. I wonder if they will make the 3D glasses that will be big enough for those who wear regular glasses. Yes, 3D is around the corner but the 3D cams will be astronomically priced for some time before they trickle down to something that most people can afford. I can just imagine how much the housings will be for them....we're talking Red One prices here folks...plus the cost of the ports. The folk at Fathoms are probably ringing their hands with gleeful anticipation.
Steve

[jonny shaw]

Should work the same way. Panasonic has a plug-in for the codec stream so it's straightforward editing. I guess you have to wear the glasses to edit too.

Bugger wearing the glasses!!!! My future wife thinks I spend way too much time in front of a computer let alone wearing those geeky 3D specs!!!

[jmauricio]

At the moment if one watches a 3D production without glasses one sees a double image correct?

correct. without glasses you would see a double image slighlty overlayed. tho your tv should have a button that converts it back to 2D by just showing 1 of those images. what this means is that one person cannot watch 2D and another watch 3D.

Those cheapo 3D cardboard glasses give me a headache. I wonder if they will make the 3D glasses that will be big enough for those who wear regular glasses.

this is a major problem. people with glasses have a hard time with 3D glasses. the headaches are not much of an issue anymore with teh home TV version of 3D as the standard calls for the active shutter glasses (eliminates cross talk between eyes). but with passive glasses it can crop up but it not nearly as bad as the blue and red cardboard glasses.

[CompuDude]

Those cheapo 3D cardboard glasses give me a headache. I wonder if they will make the 3D glasses that will be big enough for those who wear regular glasses. Yes, 3D is around the corner but the 3D cams will be astronomically priced for some time before they trickle down to something that most people can afford. I can just imagine how much the housings will be for them....we're talking Red One prices here folks...plus the cost of the ports. The folk at Fathoms are probably ringing their hands with gleeful anticipation.
Steve

Find a theater with Dolby 3D Digital Cinema. The glasses are wonderfully light weight, and very easy to wear right over your existing glasses. And the 3D is the best I have seen (compared to RealD and IMAX 3D... I haven't made it in to try XpanD yet).

If you're comparing modern 3D projection in a good theater (ArcLight Cinemas, for instance) to anything with cardboard glasses, you're trying to compare a Lexus GS350 to a Model T.

[Drew]

Now talk about home entertainment in 3D. Can you imagine swimming with a pod of dolphins or school of sharks with 4k resolution: The Panasonic 150 inch plasma screen... with 3D!

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[loftus]

One could give up diving; just like visiting Epcot means one does not have to travel to the actual countries.

[Steve Douglas]

If everyone on the board here chipped in just a dollar or two, you would all be able to buy me one for my next birthday. Wouldn't that be sweet. Okay, maybe a bit more than a dollar or two but think of the joy you would be bringing to the old and infirm.
Steve