40 replies to this topic

[Alex_Mustard]

With my moderator hat on: Please try to keep the discussion to the viewfinder, rather than testicles and each other!

In my original review I wasn't a fan of the adjustability on the Nauticam viewfinder. The viewfinder I liked very much. But speaking to many photographers since I was wrong. I don't wear glasses and I think this made my view biased. Many underwater photographers do - and they have told me how valuable an adjustable viewfinder like this is - with the ability to get it spot on underwater. SO I believe it is a valuable feature - just needs more resistance or a lock to keep it where it has been set.

Alex

[yahsemtough]

What can I say. Obviously Chriso and JimSwims are selfish MF's who miss out on one of the real pleasures of diving, really sharing the experience with another person. And have such an inferiority complex about the quality of their own images that they don't dare risk that someone else might get a better shot with their camera than they do.

Fred

Also as Moderator... I find these comments disrespectful and not appropriate to the post original content. Please refrain from comments of a personal nature. Should you have issue with someone I think it is best addressed through messaging or carry on to a new subject matter.

Thank you

Todd

[StephenFrink]

With my moderator hat on: Please try to keep the discussion to the viewfinder, rather than testicles and each other!

In my original review I wasn't a fan of the adjustability on the Nauticam viewfinder. The viewfinder I liked very much. But speaking to many photographers since I was wrong. I don't wear glasses and I think this made my view biased. Many underwater photographers do - and they have told me how valuable an adjustable viewfinder like this is - with the ability to get it spot on underwater. SO I believe it is a valuable feature - just needs more resistance or a lock to keep it where it has been set.

Alex

I congratulate Dr. Mustard for being first to correct the ongoing misspelling of "testicle". Important matters deserve notice!

[Gudge]

I must be doing something wrong, I've done over 50 dives with my Nauticam housing and viewfinder and the adjustment on the viewfinder has never moved from where I originally set it.

[JimSwims]

I congratulate Dr. Mustard for being first to correct the ongoing misspelling of "testicle". Important matters deserve notice!

Yes, I must admit that I too was deeply offended at Chriso's flagrant misspelling

Jim.

[Chriso]

What can I say. Obviously Chriso and JimSwims are selfish MF's who miss out on one of the real pleasures of diving, really sharing the experience with another person. And have such an inferiority complex about the quality of their own images that they don't dare risk that someone else might get a better shot with their camera than they do.

Fred

Fred you owe me a new keyboard.

The reasons I don't share my DSLR rig is for the risk of flooding, scratched ports and loss, almost all my diving is solo and my GF has her own DSLR rig so there is no need to share anything.
Someone taking better images than me has nothing to do with it you clown!!

Edited for fear of a Alex spell checking me again ; )

Edited by Chriso, 20 July 2010 - 05:16 PM.

[echeng]

What can I say. Obviously Chriso and JimSwims are selfish MF's who miss out on one of the real pleasures of diving, really sharing the experience with another person. And have such an inferiority complex about the quality of their own images that they don't dare risk that someone else might get a better shot with their camera than they do.

Fred

I hope you didn't come back to Wetpixel (after you so dramatically announced that you were leaving forever) just to attack people.

[divegypsy]

Eric,

Please be fair enough to look at the whole sequence of comments on this topic - the Nauticam 180 degree viewfinder. My first comment was simply to say that I felt the adjustable diopter feature was beneficial and worthwhile, and all the more so because it would allow sharing a camera easier. I said this before I had ever seen the viewfinder. AND I said clearly in that post that I hadn't seen one and was making the post ISN'T SHARING - WHETHER ITS A CAMERA OR AN IDEA - THE BASIC PHILOSOPHY OF WETPIXEL? Then the two other gentlemen dissed me for even suggesting that I might allow someone else to touch my camera much less look through it. And heaven forbid, take a picture with it. ONLY after their remarks, which included one of them saying he would physically assault anyone who touched his rig, did I say that I felt that was selfish and probably indicated a lack of confidence in his own images.

If you have paid attention to other Wetpixel comments on the Nauticam housing and viewfinder, Alex Mustard has since agreed that the adjustable diopter can be a worthwhile feature, one which he originally found little value in. I also went so far as to suggest a real solution, filing the plastic diopter knob at its lower edge and placing a o-ring there which would increase the friction and make the know less likely to be moved accidently. In a later post on the same topic I added that I had bought a Nauticam viewfinder and had adapted it to my Seacam housing, something which is not offered commercially yet. Is this sharing worthwhile information? And since that last post I have done what I suggested might be possible, beveled the lower edge of the adjustment knob and put a o-ring around it. And it is less easy to move the knob accidently.

Are you objecting to my being on the site because I had previously said that I thought that people who post frequently should tell whether they are receiving free gear or highly discounted gear? Why don't you open a discussion topic on the matter and see whether the Wetpixel community thinks this type of disclosure is important. It is standard practice on many similar sites like Luminous_landscape and byThom to disclose this kind of information. I think the community deserves to know if someone who frequently recommends one product line is receiving or has received anything of significant monetary value from that underwater product manufacturer. Or other manufacturers.

And likewise, I think that when someone, especially a Wetpixel moderator, claims to be an "expert" on a particular subject area, he should be willing to tell the community what his claim of expertise is based on. What achievements or awards he has garnered in that field. Or what education level he has attained. There are a many relatively inexperienced people in the Wetpixel community and I think it is only fair for them to have this kind of information because they may be spending a considerable amount of their money on a particular recommended product.

Fred

Edited by divegypsy, 21 July 2010 - 04:10 AM.

[Chriso]

Eric,Then the two other gentlemen dissed me for even suggesting that I might allow someone else to touch my camera much less look through it.
Fred

Sorry buddy? I can't see any dissing here, I was talking about my rig and my comments had nothing to do with what you do with your gear or who you share it with.
Jeez talk about taking it personally, get over it and move on ! And for gods sake take a lesson in Aussie humour and a thing called tongue in cheek.
http://en.wikipedia....Tongue-in-cheek

edit: Added link for Tongue-in-cheek for Fred to have a read.

Edited by Chriso, 21 July 2010 - 05:05 AM.

[Viz'art]

Fred, you need to learn to try an understand humor, be it of any kind and take statement for what they are, pretty much every body understood that joke for what it was, a joke and I fail to see why humoristic reaction such as Chriso, however misspelled his anatomical repertoire is, could be viewed as an attack on your values, or result in such virulent response from you.

On being an expert: I know you long enough to know that pretty much anything that is manufactured out there will never be good enough for you and that there is always something to modify, reinvent, redesign or adapt. Good for you! I get it, cause I've known how you work since the early 90's and that’s your thing and I could state that you are an expert at modifying stuff, that don't mean I need to see your diploma in engineering (should you have one), I myself do not have a diploma to prove it, but still consider myself an expert at driving my wife crazy, (It is a joke BTW! ).

An expert, IMO, is someone knowledgeable in a field, someone who answers question in a useful, practical and intelligent manner; unfortunately it can also be a moron with a list of diplomas who like to try and impress lesser educated folks with his academic knowledge (I prefer field experienced expert myself). I like to think that the forum members are not dimwits, and somehow would appreciate if that recent tendency to view them as such would disappear. Some if not many of the members might be starting up in underwater photography, still, in my book that sure don’t make them imbeciles, I’m sure they can figure out the following A) when it’s humor, B) when it’s commercial or opinioned BS and lastly C) when the thread is useful or not for their purpose, be it that who writes it gets a free pop corn, motorcycle or free trip to Kansas as long as the message comes across as informative and not as a sales pitch (press release exist for that purpose and again, I trust people enough to take it that these documents are issued to highlight a product and not as instructional material).

Edited by Viz'art, 21 July 2010 - 05:42 AM.

[echeng]

Eric,
Please be fair enough to look at the whole sequence of comments on this topic
Fred

There is no excuse for your personal attacks. The last time you "left" Wetpixel you did so voluntarily. If you continue on your current path, I will ban you and your ip address.

[echeng]

Are you objecting to my being on the site because I had previously said that I thought that people who post frequently should tell whether they are receiving free gear or highly discounted gear?

Fred

No, I just think it's funny that you're back after you said you would never post again!

[tdpriest]

This thread seems terribly sad, particularly after a week on Shear Water where my trip was saved from disaster by lent camera gear.

In the spirit of Wetpixel, I thought that "testical" was the life story of an aussie photographer specialising in glamorous pool shots....

.... and "testicle" is what I will lose if I do get that Nauticam housing for a new system (viewfinder and all)!

Tim

[Alex_Tattersall]

Surely it's worth it Tim, who needs two anyway?

[allan]

No, I just think it's funny that you're back after you said you would never post again!

Hi, all

I've just joined this forum yesterday and haven't been diving in the last fifteen years; started up again this year. (Owned an Nikon N90, flooded and went to n90s with Aquatica housing).

I'm active in a jewelry newsgroup and its so funny to see the same issues of 'jokes' and personalty misunderstandings appear here as well as in other groups.

I do really look forwarded to reading all of the information on the new toys available for underwater photography from experts such as yourselves.

Allan (waterphoto)

[tdpriest]

Surely it's worth it Tim, who needs two anyway?

What leads you to assume I have two? I've been spending too much time and money on this obsessive photographic business for over ten years now...

Tim

[TimG]

Surely it's worth it Tim, who needs two anyway?

There are TWO????

[Alex_Tattersall]

Oh dear, where is this going ?

[tdpriest]

I spent two weeks in Bikini, too...

Tim

[Alex_Tattersall]

Two weeks in a bikini? The mind boggles!!