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#1 kmsellin

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

Hi there,

I am looking for a good macro setup to my D800. What have you guys tried and what did really work? I am talking about reall macro, not fish portrait. I am aiming for pygme seahorses, fish eggs, details on nudi´s and so on.

Pls give some advice!

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:27 PM

Not a Nikon guy, but I think for those tiny things the 105VR plus either a subsee external diopter or a 1.4 teleconverter will get you in the right ballpark.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

Sigma 150 Macro recreates the reach of the 105/100 in a crop cam. Crazy sharp lens, pretty much equal to the Canon/Nikon 100's. Then add a +10 external from Aquatica or Subsee

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:56 PM

If you don´t like cropping your pic, I would use a 1.7 TC (latest version) with 105VR and subsee lenses...
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:41 AM

Another lens is the Nikkor 70-180 mm micro lens with a 5T or 6T dry diopter, or a Inon or SubSee wet diopter.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:24 AM

The best super macro setup I have used with the D800 is the 105mm VR with the Nikon 2x TC III. Then adding a Subsee +5 if needed. The latest Nikon's focus well with the 2x TC, so I am using that more and more and the 1.7x TC less and less.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:32 AM

The best super macro setup I have used with the D800 is the 105mm VR with the Nikon 2x TC III. Then adding a Subsee +5 if needed. The latest Nikon's focus well with the 2x TC, so I am using that more and more and the 1.7x TC less and less.

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Thank Alex! Do you have any picture to show from this setup? How fast is the autofocus and what is the workingdistans? Do you think its big different if I use my Kenko 2x PRO 300 telekonverter compared with Nikon? In means of sharpness and autofocus.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

Yes, I think the Nikon 2x AF-S III is in a different league to the Kenko 2x - but I have not done a back to back test.

The AF-S is slower (and you loose some points and things like 3D tracking), but very useable on the D800. I tend to use AF-ON focus for super macro anyway.

A couple of the shots in this D800 gallery on my website were shot with the converter - although everything looks good at screen res:
http://www.amustard..../NikonD800_gal/

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:18 PM

I have used the Kenko 2 x topside with the D800.

It was so bad I have sold the TC :)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

Hi,
The use of teleconverters, does not make the focus slower?
(i have 2 tc, one from nikon, (TC-20E III Teleconverter) heavier and do not fit in 60mm, and is much slower comparing with the kenko 2x teleplus pro 300 dgx, i think that does not compromise the quality of the zoomed image..)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:16 AM

The AF difficulty kicks in once you start to focus very close to your subject. The 105VR is an f/2.8 macrolens, but when it's focussed at 1:1 the maximum opening is f/4.8. If you combine this with a 2X TC the maximum opening at closest focus becomes f/9.5, which is slow. But according to Alex´ findings still manageable on the D800. i still have to get a new extension ring so i can try myself. Topside it works if there is enough available light.

Alex, did you do any 2:1 shots with the 105 + 2x TC? My guess is that you'll have to lock the focus and then focus manually, or do you use a strong focus light?

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:49 AM

I don't know about either the 150mm, the Kento 2.0 T/C or a focus light. It appears that the minimum focus distance advantage of the 150 is offset but the longer lens so the actual working distance at 1:1 is about the same as the 105. (Someone check me if I am wrong.) I have also found that a good number of macro subjects like Pigmys and Blennies react to a focus light and either leave or turn away. The 105VR focuses much faster than the Sigma 150 and goes to f/32 as opposed to f/22 for the 150. I also did not find that the Kento 2.0 T/C worked very well with the 105 even topside.

My solution (on a D-300) is a 105vr with a +10 sub see so I suspect that adding a Nikon 1.7 or 2.0 T/C would be about the same on a modern FF that autofocuses better than my D-300.

I have a Sigma 150 and plan to use it mostly for subjects that won't let me get close enough as opposed to using it for 1:1 or super macro and I hope I will get equivilent supermacro shots to the 105/subsee.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

What kind of a Focus Light do you need for a 105 & a 2x TC?
I assume that you need something relatively strong.
The worst case is of course when the Lense is at 1:1, due to the higher than f2.8 at that magnification.

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