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#1 PhotographingBlind

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:17 AM

What would be the best option for an old nikon 60mm macro lens..

 

A teleconverter ?

But which one(keno, nikon,.. ?) ?

Which can i use on both the tokina 10-17 and Nikon 60mm ?

 

 

 

Or a wet lens like subsse +10 ?

Hugyfot has a new wet filter, any experience with it ?


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:39 PM

The Kenko TC will be fine for use with the 60mm and 10-17mm. No need to pay extra for the Nikon in this case.

 

The 60mm + TC + wet lens combination could be even more fun.

 

There is much less advantage using strong magnifiers(eg. SubSee) on 60mm. They really come into play with the 105mm.

 

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:50 AM

If ou put a teleconverter on a 60mm.

Will you get then get more then 1:1 life size ?

Or will you just have more distance to shoot shy objects ?


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 02:26 PM

Hugyfot has a new wet filter, any experience with it ?

 

Are refering to this, or another wet lens ?

http://www.scubacam....ter-p-3672.html



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:58 PM

If ou put a teleconverter on a 60mm.

Will you get then get more then 1:1 life size ?

Or will you just have more distance to shoot shy objects ?

That combination will perform like a 90mm macro lens with the same minimum focus distance of the 60mm lens alone.  Maximum magnification will be increased to 1.4:1 at minimum focus distance.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

I have a Subsee +10 and a 60mm f2.8D AF.  With the SubSee on it, you have to be about 1/2" from the subject and you won't focus unless you're tripod steady.  I've been thinking Kenko 1.4 as well, as it will work with the 60 in my standard port and with the 10-17 in my BARE port.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:50 PM

My favourite macro setup is the Nikkor AFD 60mm with the Kenko 1.4x TC. As Gudge says it makes the 60mm turn into a 85mm with 1,4:1 image size.  The Af is a fraction slower but not really noticable when used with decent modeling light.  I like that is a little more flexible than a 60mm alone.

 

I havnt used the 60mm/TC combo setup with a wetlens yet  but maybe in the near future.

 

Here are some shots with the 60mm AFD and the Kenko pro 300 1.4x TC:

 

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:17 AM

That are some things to think about...

 

But how does that macro scale works ?

What is the diffrence between 1.4:1 and 1:2 ?

 

Someone has comparison of the same subject with and without the kenko 1.4 converter on 60mm micro ?


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:46 PM

Anyone ?


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 07:54 PM

That are some things to think about...

 

But how does that macro scale works ?

What is the diffrence between 1.4:1 and 1:2 ?

 

Someone has comparison of the same subject with and without the kenko 1.4 converter on 60mm micro ?

1.4:1 is 140% of the image size, 1:2 is 50% of the image size.  The 60 without the teleconverter does 1:1 or 100% of the image size.  All of these are only applicable at the minimum focus distance and represent the maximum magnification you can achieve.  You really will only notice the difference when photographing very small subjects, really the greatest difference you notice with the teleconverter is an increase in working distance making it easier to light and giving you the ability to get a little farther away from skittish creatures.  The downside is that in murky water sometimes you want to get closer to minimize the subject to camera distance especially when the subject is not super small.  The 60 with the teleconverter is really like having 2 lenses, a 60 and an 85 that you can switch out between dives.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:54 PM

Just got the 1.4TC and plan to use it this weekend, hopefully on both the 10-17 and the 60AF-D.  The 60 required putting my SX extension on to keep from hitting the port.  According to the guys at Backscatter, it adds about 10mm.  Just fit in my Bare port with the 10-17 and no extension, and Barry says it works that way but I'll probably try it with the SX extension on to minimize port swapping.  I've been using the 60mm in the mini dome and it works fine.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:08 PM

Used the 1.4 with both the 10-17 and the 60mm Saturday, both in the mini-dome with sx extension.  They both worked fine, though I forgot to plug in my flash on the first dive (wide)and thought it was vignetting when I really was spotlighting the shots with my focus light.  Interesting results, kind of like a wide angle snoot.  The 60 was a little harder to focus in the poor vis (about 6 feet with lots of floating plankton) but otherwise worked well in the dome.

This morning I stuck my subsee +10 on the flat port with the same extension and the 60mm and was amazed to find I could focus anywhere from about 1/2" to about 3" from the port.  Without the teleconverter, the 60 would only focus the +10 out to about an inch.

 

Here is a picture of my watch (face is about 1", the word "triathlon" is about 1mm tall) at about 1" and 3" from the close up lens.

 

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Both shots were taken at 1/250 f22.  I can't wait to try the 60 with the tele and the +10 underwater.  Finding focus might be a challenge.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

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Both shots were taken at 1/250 f22.  I can't wait to try the 60 with the tele and the +10 underwater.  Finding focus might be a challenge.

 

At F22 (F32 with teleconverter) your image resolution is going to be limited by diffraction, not the sensor. Adding a teleconverter is just going to give a loss in field of view, no gain in detail. The challenge is not just to find focus, but to find razor-thin subjects that you can shoot without fully closing the aperture. This is less of an issue if you use the TC to gain working distance without pushing the bleeding edge of resolution.

 

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:44 AM

I just bought the Kenko 1.4 teleconverter.

I do not know what is going on, but in all belgium shops they are sold out and are not coming back into stock.

Kenko stopped making them ?

 

I would advice to everybody that wants one to buy it now.

 

Someone knows it fits in the original macro port for the nikon 60mm ?


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:40 PM

The teleconverter adds about 10mm to the length of the 60mm lens.  With the Sea & Sea std. port, I used my 20mm extension ring otherwise the 60mm extended into the glass during focus.  Measure your port clearance and the extended length of the lens with TC.


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