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#380465 Winter musings

Posted by JohnE on 10 January 2017 - 07:00 AM

Hi all,


The Gates Z100 housing is indeed sold out, and we have no plans to make more at this time.  That said, if someone insists on the Z100 as an acquisition platform, we can discuss options to make one as a special run.  


And FWIW, those of you shooting on a proper video system like the Z100 appreciate and understand the benefits:  Long battery life,  recording bitrate / color space, instant auto-focus, versatile zoom range (especially when paired with a proper zoom-through port), external monitoring, and more.  But many people have moved to DSLR / Mirrorless systems.  Some have legitimate reasons e.g. shooting photos / video both topside and underwater.  Others have done so because it's popular.  Still others simply migrated to photos because it's easier.  Video acquisition, editing and storytelling is hard by comparison to the instant gratification of photography.  So kudos to all of you that take on the task of filmmaking.  



#339252 How did you flood?

Posted by JohnE on 10 November 2013 - 05:42 PM

For anyone interested in History......


The vacuum check idea goes back at least to 1993.  Howard Hall needed a way to verify integrity of the IMAX Salido housing containing 3D camera equipment worth $2,500,000. The vacuum system was devised, and indeed resulted in a safe dry camera every time.  He and Bob Cranston have since employed the vacuum checker on every underwater housing.  


2003: Gates designed and built 2 custom F900 housings for Bob and Howard which included a vacuum check port.  It was our introduction to the system.  Shortly thereafter it became part of our standard factory test.  It allowed quick identification of leaks, but more importantly it revealed a way to test for shallow water leaks a.k.a. the dreaded rinse tank failure. This experience led us to standardize 3 different vacuum and pressure checks on every housing to weed out all failure modes.


Gates 'productized' the system in 2007 with the fitting name Seal Check. It was introduced in tandem with DEEP RED, our first cinema-grade system.  We felt customers would appreciate peace of mind knowing their $50K+ camera investment was safe *before* entering the water.  Seal check has proven itself many times, averting disaster from mistakes, abuse and damage (like from security inspections) that we all know happens in the field.  For professionals it has not only saved equipment, but their production and paycheck as well. When you have to come back with the shots, failure is not an option.  


As noted by others in this thread, the obvious benefits have resulted in the vacuum check system being adopted by nearly every manufacturer and several dealers (e.g. Backscatter).  


Final note:  The vacuum check system may extend all the way back to the 70's.   I'm asking around to find out more....






#339241 How did you flood?

Posted by JohnE on 10 November 2013 - 01:05 PM

Has anyone who uses a vacuum system ever had a leak? Circumstances?


My thought is that in addition to verifying that everything is airtight before starting the dive, the vacuum increases the pressure differential to reduce the chance of ports being rotated, etc. before the dive or when very shallow. Once you get below a few feet, the vacuum in the housing in inconsequential in the pressure difference between the inside and outside of the housing. Typical internal pressure is about 0.8 bar with the vacuum compared to 1 bar without the vacuum.


If you were able to pull a complete vacuum on the housing, it would be equivalent to 33 feet / 10m of water.  But vacuum checks are much lower, so your observation is correct: the pressure difference from vacuum becomes and increasingly smaller part of the overall differential as you go deeper.  


However..  once an o-ring is engaged under pressure, it will only fail under two conditions:

* Extreme pressures.  A housing will flex and warp under extreme pressure, changing the o-ring groove characteristics, and resulting in a leak.  This will happen long before the pressure increases to a point that the o-ring actually extrudes.  We have tested housings to such depths here at Gates, and have interesting examples of how things fail.  

* Mechanical change in the o-ring seal.  An impact, for example, to a plexiglass window, or the previously mentioned gland.  


Leaving a vacuum in place after checking the seals keeps the o-rings energized.  It keeps everything tight while you are gearing up and getting in the water.  And also while in the rinse tank -- one of the most notorious places to incur a leak.  



#338370 The Triangle

Posted by JohnE on 20 October 2013 - 06:04 AM

Great to see you at SDUFEX Dustin.  Congrats on your selection, it's terrific.