Just came accross this, looks like it's been announced.

DP Review: Canon EOS 5D Mark II

1/200 flash sync and no popup flash. Otherwise pretty good. I'm glad they went with 21MP. Now Canon has full resolution in both small and large bodies. If Nikon does theirs, this will place more pressure on them to support both bodies too IMO. Without a 20+MP D700x, this camera looks like the hot choice for underwater.

A 16-18MP 5D2 wouldn't make too much sense with the 50D just announced at 15MP.

So now I have a dilemma. Do I get a housing for my 5D (I have the ports already, so I've committed to the Aquatica housing), or do I wait for the 5D II to become available, pick that up, and then wait for Aquatica to make a housing for that body?

Get it "now", versus getting a higher resolution, higher ISO camera in four or five months ... gah!

The camera does look good. We can start the game of "will it fit into the old housing".

Superficially, it looks about the same shape and size with buttons in about the same places.

Weathersealed 24L II !

Here are more specs:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controll...p;modelid=17662
1080/30p at 30 mins= 4GB file limit of FAT32. Seems to be MPEG4 encoding. Now this makes me sit up and pay attention.
No weather sealing though. And they didn't upgrade the AF to match the D700, although the "6 invisible focus assist points" sound mysterious.
Did anyone notice the new 24/1.4? I think Matt did.

Oh and Herb... no such luck... the dimensions are the same but the layout looks significantly different. Maybe an upgrade kit. It's got more buttons on the back and right top side

Hooray, its here!

Alex

Most of the buttons and dials are at about the same places including the all important PRINT button. There's a new one AF-ON that's in a new location. If this replaces AF function of the * button then that function would be missed.

With a sensor that has 5616 photosites across it should be possible to do 1080 with a ~3x digital zoom without losing any resolution! Have you seen any more details about how they're doing it?

Canon's new Powershot has a CMOS sensor and will also do 1080/30p.

Body-only prices: US: $ 2,699, EU: € 2,499, UK: £ 2,299.

Alex

Is environmental protection different to weather sealing?

HOLY CRAP

It's tempting to get this camera for its video feature. Although, I assume auto-focus in live-view mode will be crappy, and that people will rely on manual focus. You'll have try to focus using the LCD, and even though it's a high-res display, it may be difficult to do...

I still need weather sealing for topside, so I ain't gonna get this camera for topside use.

Herb, I dunno... those hi res pics shows the VF is lower and multi controller is shifted right. Hope it's not true though.


environmental protection is a marketing term for half-assed weather sealing. It's sorta like the EPA.

Eric, why can't you focus first thru the VF then go to video? Rack focus will be an issue but with practice it isn't daunting. A lot better than servo lenses that's for sure.

Just done some quick-and-dirty measurements from the hi-res MkII pics and compared them with my 5D. As Drew said, it looks like the VF is around 1mm lower in the new model and the centre of the thumbwheel is about 2mm further to the right. The buttons down the left side are obviously in slightly different postions too, as there are more of them.
Anyway, might just still be workable, or modifiable, at least till new housings come out. Here's hoping!

ISO to 25600. Does this mean better noise handling than the DSMKIII? and similar or better to the D3/D700? If so that would really be impressive beyond the just the MP and video.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/


Does not sound half-assed to me. 10mm in 3 minutes is heaver rain than you would get in a hurricane.

Well that's equal to 200mm per hour... which is less than the 1D series' 254mm per hour resistance. So I apologize for my bad math... it's about 3/4 ass implementation.
Seriously, you'd think that little 54mm isn't a big deal but it is. Sea spray, waves and animals kicking up water will all kill a lesser camera and lens. Little things like no rubber around the battery compartment, even though it's underneath the camera, have killed the comparably weather sealed D2X. Ask Mr Falsa Orca if he's reading this (sorry to bring up your nightmare but it's time you switched anyways ) Btw you have to match the camera to a L lens to be fully weather sealed. As of now the following L lenses are fully weather sealed (except for the front which you must add a filter to complete sealing):
Canon EF 14 mm 2.8L II USM
Canon EF 24 mm F1.4L II USM
Canon EF 50 mm F1.2L USM
Canon EF 16 - 35 mm F2.8L I & II USM
Canon EF 17 - 40 mm F4.0L USM
Canon EF 24 - 70 mm F2.8L USM
Canon EF 24 - 105 mm F4.0L IS USM
Canon EF 28 - 300 mm F3.5 - 5.6L IS USM
Canon EF 70 - 200 mm F2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 70 - 200 mm F4.0L IS USM
Canon EF 200 mm F2L IS USM
Canon EF 300 mm F2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 400 mm F2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 400 mm F4.0 DO IS USM
Canon EF 500 mm F4.0L IS USM
Canon EF 600 mm F4.0L IS USM
Canon EF 800 mm F5.6L IS USM
Canon Extender EF 1.4x II
Canon Extender EF 2.0x II

Just a quick overlap of both cameras rear controls is enough to tell me this baby is a totally different size layout. way too much for a conversion such as the D200/D300, Our Camera is ordered already and we are going to get to it the moment its in. I can tell you it will be machined from solid and have a port lock mechanism (all our new housing will feature that). Good timing for once, we are basically all done with the D700 design and just about ready to go in production. its a luxury to be able to concentrate on one design these days.

Do not forget a flip red filter for this, it does video. Guess the filter would be part of the ports?

I'm a bit bummed that they are only upping it to 3.9fps and that they are not upgrading the auto-focus. I'm sure next year at this time I will have one in a housing (hopefully just a new Ikelite back for my current housings?), but I was hoping for a camera with a higher fps but less MP for also shooting topside wildlife. I guess I'll have to start looking more at the D50 for use with my longer lenses. I would have also like to have seen more weather sealing. I shoot a lot in the rain in places like SE Alaska all day. My 5D with a rain cover has handled 8+ hours of almost constant rain, but I had a friend's 40D stop working at around 5 hours that day. Always compromises.

I hope it doesn't suffer the same AF problems as the MARKIII !!!!

So how low will the price of the original 5D go now that the Mark II is on the way?

Hey Jean, your overlay scale is off. You could've kept the old 5D owners more hopeful for a few more weeks.


I think Canon probably stayed with what worked with a tad improvement this time round.

I believe in whiplash therapy

I lined up the eyepice on both camera as this is the most vital part when it comes to converting a housing, as you can see if you want to look through the camera then the buttons and controls basically go south

Cheers

"As you can see from the first image below the body is made up of three pieces of magnesium, the only plastic elements being sides and the base. With the advent of the Mark II Canon are finally talking about the dust / water resistance of the body, the second image below shows these seals, Canon's description: "The battery compartment, memory card door, LCD and the camera buttons are all fitted with sealing materials (indicated in red). In addition the adoption of high precision split-level alignment of the magnesium-alloy external covers, high precision dial construction and external rubber grip covers (indicated in green), has improved the camera's dust and water resistance."

Also from Canon: High performance with 3.9 fps continuous shooting, new shutter with a durability of 150,000 cycles and improved weather-resistant body.

James
Don't just read...look! It's crappy felt material and it doesn't go all the way round.
Camera body seals
Battery compartment closeup

Compare that with your 1D battery rubber battery seal.
1Ds MkIII seals

Sealing looks like a light foam-rubber rather than actual rubber gaskets...



I don't think you can extrapolate out like that - I think there may be a reason they listed it as a water/3min rating. Seals may saturate to an extent after that point...

Looks like this is an opportunity for Wetpixel to do some product testing. We can just put each camera in the shower and see what time and intensity it takes to kill it. About 10 samples of each camera should give reasonably good statistics.

What do you think Eric.

Group buy!

finally Auto ISO!

video feature is just perfect. Especially 1080p with 30fps.
I wouldn't basically prefer h264 for recording but it should be fine considering the high bitrate the MkII uses.

I'll have to get it!

PS/edit: just discovered Sealux already confirmed 5D MkII housing on their website

Welcome back Jolly! Did it take the replacement of the 5D to get you back here :-)

Cheers
James

The sealux guys probably have the measuring tape out already since they are at Photokina.

Jolly, aren't you a little disappointed that auto ISO doesn't work in manual? I know I am.

Heard a good one....

The 5D is the Ferrari of cameras.

Well the 1960-1980 Ferrari of cameras. As in when Enzo Ferrari said "When you buy cars from me you pay for the engine, the rest is for free."

Alex

Hey hey... I like the new California... I just don't like the engine anymore

Question on the FAT32 limitation. This means it is limited to recording 4gb per card/dive, or on continuous record session? If in total, I wonder if you can fool in to starting a new file.

Seems a shame when you now have 32gb cards. It's like the early days of DOS and hard drives. Oooh, man am I old!

I'd say it's the Smart Fortwo AMG 6.3. If it were a Ferrari, you'd have to suck up to Canon to buy it, then never use it, then take a boat load of crap for the 1000 shutter releases when you sell it, and take a terrible beating on resale. The 5D2 may be an imbalanced camera but it's no Ferrari!

I thought Canon was the BMW of cameras though. Or was that Apple was the BMW of computers? I get these idiotic car analogies confused.

George, on camcorders, the new file is automatically made and recording is continuous. I think the 5D2 doesn't do that. It'll stop at 4GB and you'll have to hit Set again.


Get out! Is there really a Smart AMG 6.3? I've seen the turbo 1.3 but the V8 is bigger than the car no? 5D2 is an AMG S-class... too much engine for the chassis and everything is auto.

i owned a car in Palau back in 2002

Mike! They actually let you drive, don't they know any better!!!!

BTW, i'm scheduled for some facetime with this 5D Mk II and its sibling, the 50D next monday morning. as they say, the early worm gets the bird! (I know, but just picture your friendly earthworm with a shotgun, waiting for that robin to show up ).

Jean
Please remember for this housing, you need to add the hydrophone now

For autofocus fans, this comment may be interesting.

I've never had a housing for a DSLR, and I searched for some info with no luck. My question is, do any of the housing/port combinations for the "old" 5D accomodate a 17-40 F4/L? Do you think new housings would work with this lens and the 5D MK II?

Thanks,

Pat

The 17-40mm is a popular workhorse and is supported by most manufacturer, its is not a problem child as some other lenses can be (no oversized zoom barrel, bulbous front element or weird AF/MF selector switch location etc.) so it should be supported by whatever brand you would be looking into.

The 17-40 will most certainly be accomodated by most housings accomodating Canon. With regard to housing the 5DMII in old 5D housings, I guess that remains to be seen. The overlay in the first page of this thread shows problems, however, the overlay as it is shown seem to be somewhat unscaled, as the measurements of the new and old 5D are more or less similar according to specs (1 mm difference in one dimension), while the overlay shown is far from similar in size. However, as the buttons have somewhat different positions on the MII, you will probably loose at least some control. But, as said, I believe it remains to be seen just which controls will be available and which will not. Given the C1-3 options as well as auto iso, I guess that some loss of control can be worked around if programs can be changed during dives.

Regards

Bent

Hey, thanks!

Pat

Here are some samples of the 5DMkII in action by Phil Askey. The high ISO samples are at the back.

http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5dmkii_preview/

"All samples are provided as JPEG straight from the camera (we don't currently have any RAW conversion software which supports the EOS 5D Mark II)."

That's to be expected... I guess DPP is due for another update.

OK - so will the images from the new camera look better than the 1DsIII images? That is the question.

I remember when the 5D came out the images looked MILES better than the 1DsmkII. So I bought a 5D and housed it. However, after using the 1 series bodies for a while I ended up giving up on the 5D as my main camera and going back to the 1 series. One of the main reasons for me was the AF.

Cheers
James