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  1. Growing pain I think is not a good description of the numbers from CIPA https://www.statista.com/chart/5782/digital-camera-shipments/ A decline of 87% from 2010 clearly there is a consequence of mobile phones improvements. My wife used to have a camera since the iphone 11 she only takes it for a special occasion most times she does the whole thing on her phone When things go well and an industry segment is growing is easier for everyone. In a shrinking market it is harder to compete as overall numbers are reducing so even keeping market share means reducing revenues. This calls for a different approach to product development. I am looking at Sony sensor roadmap when I started this thread and specifically looking at the slow down of product release from a few brands with new models having the same sensor of 2017 (ZCAM, BMD, the new Olympus have the same identical sensor of the 2017 releases from Panasonic Olympus, Nikon last releases are the same sensors repackaged in mirrorless, or some other brands not releasing anything at all or looking at different ways to add value (see Panasonic G100 attempt) As the segment approaches maturity and overall number of sales shrinks there will be people going out of business and market consolidation it happens in any industry segment and will happen here too. My original post was not about the stagnation being a bad thing but being a good thing as it stops the rush for the newest model and focusses people on learning how to use a camera. Of course if your business model is built around someone buying a new housing and keeping the new well you have a problem but I have sold all housings I do not use as second. I never kept two housing if I don't use them I also think that the market might become a replacement market like appliances where people change only because of wear not because of features. The appliance market has undergone massive consolidation in the last 10 years and is larger than cameras but perhaps the same trend apply there too. Meanwhile we are at 4th of July and no hot models are being released. Sony now is finally decided to come out with their A7S instalment but this is around 2 years old news! It could well be that Covid-19 makes companies think twice before venturing out with new product who knows. All seems to come together now!
  2. John if you think that getting a camera that is not exactly popular and has a single housing made by a guy in Australia is giving you an edge perhaps go ahead The Panasonic S1 series has nauticam underwater housing that are reliable and they have a complete port system which is very important. I know what I would do and I am also pretty sure the Sigma will not give anything more than the Panasonic in light of the fact Panasonic has a pretty good idea on video recording with a proven track record and the S1H is broadcast and netflix certified From the RAW side ProRes RAW is limited to 12 bits and is the only real RAW format except CinemaDNG it has to be seen how much of a benefit does ProRes RAW give compared to traditional log shooting at 10 bits. When ProRes RAW is released I will get the S1H on loan from Panasonic and will be able to draw my own conclusion As of today the only camera that has a reliable housing, ProRes RAW working and is also not super expensive is the Zcam E2
  3. There is no problem with the S1H what I meant is why bother with a Sigma a very unproven path when at the end is the same sensor of the Panasonic S1H Panasonic pro is lending me a camera atomos recorded and all for testing it would be great to have a housing for testing too I am currently waiting the prores raw update for s1h that has been delayed Sigma was quicker on that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Still is the same sensor inside the S1H from Panasonic so I would not venture on a Sigma unless I could test it long time on land Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. You have a thing against me that is preventing you to read properly There is no path from gopro to shooting underwater photos Typically people stay there or go to another video rig usually MFT As gopro teaches you the pain to edit video you pass this stage and no longer want to take any images Underwater photography is becoming the old fella hobby Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. Thats not RAW it is a YCbCr codec Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. Sigma got a ProRes RAW update just announced last week
  8. I don't agree fully with the analysis you need new models to make more revenues. In fact what you need is more units to make more revenues. If those come from new model or not it does not matter and actually you can improve efficiency if you keep the same models which is where I was getting at. Longer lifecycle of device is what happens when the firmware of the camera is programmable and there is no hardware advance. I do agree that mirrorless are the way forward in virtue of the lack of efficiency having to make DSLR and mirrorless cameras but this process is not fast What do you need to make more revenue is also more people taking underwater pictures which is an issue of entry price that is already present since a few years as compact cameras have been killed by phone. This is the primary reason for an ageing population of underwater photographers Higher entry price - > more disposable income required -> diver starts photography when is old enough to have money for the rig Camera models do not enter into this mix as much if we are looking at underwater photography as long as there is a camera in fact many people start with second hand housing camera etc etc
  9. There still is the Panasonic GX series that is small but even the G and GH Panasonic housings are expensive as the cameras are APSC size. Underwater photography is for most a cropped sensor game APSC being primary. Let's hope we are left with enough choice
  10. Good read https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones-vs-cameras-closing-the-gap-on-image-quality/
  11. Not sure what point I am missing. Smartphones will continue to grow processing or not. I would like to understand what post processing means most cases applications like instagram do that already. that is not the same as a raw image editors
  12. I got an update lots of live aboards are forced into single occupancy...
  13. The camera market is shrinking and this will continue. I think camera will be limited to people that have genuine creative needs those just taking snapshots will use phones. This will make even more niche the technical ability to manage a camera as the base gets smaller. Sony and Panasonic are diversified businesses and Sony makes sensor for them is a decision about exiting a segment for Nikon that makes 70% on camera it will mean transform or die. Smaller brands will depend on their ability to listen to customer needs
  14. Following from Paolo Isgro and Nicholas More this time is Pietro Cremone telling us his journey into underwater photography https://interceptor121.com/2020/06/27/121-with-pietro-cremone/
  15. When I say they stop investing I am referring to their data. I 2018 they restructured their manufacturing base and closed several plants. All production is now in Vietnam that is even less expensive than china. Looking at their financial reports that are extra costs in 2019-2020 financial year due to those closure and redundancies So am not making this up its written black and white I believe after that there has been a stagnation of MFT sensor performance the current Sony made sensor hasn't got lots of room for improvement unless it goes on back illumination like sony exmoor. It's possible sony want to keep that for themselves not sure The latest installment of EM1 and EM5 as consequence are not such a leap and in fact measurements suggest the EM1 MKII is the most performing camera ever made yet MKIII added a joystick that is taken from Panasonic, a starry function to take astro - nobody uses autofocus for stars, and an ND filter that is achieved digitally nothing to call your mama for EM1X there will be people raving for it but what happened to the MFT manifesto to keep things small and who spends that amount of money on a MFT camera anyway? What about EPL series? There are some real questions seems that Olympus corporation got the wrong angle of performance improvement and hurt their brand even further in the last 3 years I have recently got an EM1 MKII for birds as for vivid have been confined at home this camera does better than any DSLR in virtue of being MFT and Olympus AF what would have been beneficial were two UHS-II slots but this was not accomplished in the III that makes you wonder Sent from my SM-A505FN using Tapatalk
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