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Hi, As per the title I'm looking to buy a large dome port for the n120 nauticam system. Either the 8.5 or the 6inch model. It would be the equivalent of this; https://oceanleisure.co.uk/cameras/nauticam-8-5-acrylic-dome-port Thanks, sinetwo

I recently upgraded to a 850 and my wife says I need to make some space! Nikon D810 (will include MB-D12, battery, battery charger, & book "Mastering the Nikon D810). Less than 8,000 shots on the shutter. $1150 AF Micro Nikkor 60mm f2.8 $300 Please reach out to me here. Will ship from Colorado. Email: MikeLloyd888@gmail.com Link to the photos of the gear are here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uWrkVayJbRJzHHSDL41K7PKFey2onKhC?usp=sharing thank you. Mike. 719-235-3001

I am selling a complete Nikon D7000 system, that includes everything you need to shoot professional quality images. This has only been my spare setup, hasn’t been used very much at all, for this reason all the items listed below are in excellent conditions, they have been looked after meticulously. The underwater camera body is in “like new” conditions, it has never been used outside the housing. The housing works like a dream, never flooded, never had an issue with it, it always performed great when I needed it, also has a sound/led light leak detector for extra piece of mind. All camera lenses and dome are in perfect conditions, no scratches in front elements. I would love to sell the setup as a whole. Cameras: 2 x Nikon D7000 Lenses: Tokina 10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 AT-X 107 AF DX Fisheye Lens Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR Lens Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55MM F/3.5-5.6G VR Housing: Nauticam NA-D7000 Underwater Housing for the Nikon D7000 Port: 4.33''ACRYLIC WIDE-ANGLE DOME PORT FOR TOKINA AT-X 10-17MM F3.5-4.5 FISHEYE DX Extras: Camera straps 2x Nikon Battery Charger 3x Nikon D7000 battery Nauticam O-ring grease Spare o-rings Nauticam Hex key set Items are located in Australia. Shipping charges and PayPal fees at buyer’s expense. Please feel free to ask any questions. Asking price for the whole setup is 2500 USD (3500 AUD).

#1 Nikon AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm F/2.8 G ED Macro AF Lens #2 Commlite ENF-E1 PRO Electronic Lens Adapter V06 for Nikon F Lens to Sony E-Mount Camera supporting AF EXIF Transmitting AF Function supports Sony A7RII A7RIII A7II A7III A6300 A6500 A9 #3 N120 Nauticam macro port 60 #18701 Price #1 + #2 + #3 = $ 850 (list price $1239) if separately - offer your prices All is mint condition with all caps/cables, without original box Payment: PayPal or Bank Transfer; Shipping EMS/DHL/FedEx from Philippines Buyer pays bank commissions and shipping costs This kit will allow owners of Nauticam housing for Sony A7/A9 models to shoot photo with the best 60mm macro lens (I also used it sometimes with my MWL-1) you must have a N100 to N120 Nauticam port adaptor #37303 or #37305 (not included this kit) SEL90 Sony 90mm macro lens focus gear almost compatible: you just need to grind off the protruding part of the Commlite adapter body (I checked it can be done) and wind 2-3 mm tape around the Nikon focusing ring. I can do this for you.ENF-E1 Pro description:Commlite CM-ENF-E1 PRO Electronic Lens Mount Adapter is one adapter converting your Nikon F-Mount Lens to Sony E-Mount Camera, and different with the traditional manual adapter, it’s versatile and completely electronic, which can achieve functions like: Exif Transmitting, AF, Aperture Control , VR stabilizer, etc. It makes both your lens and cameras more powerful and versatile after exchanging.Main Features:1.EXIF Parameter Transmitting;2.Support AF (for AF-I, AF-S lens with lens’ internal motor only)3.Support Aperture Control (Including the EMD and Pull-rod Aperture type Lens)4.Support VR Stabilizer Function;5.Compatible with teleconvertor lens even Aperture less than F8;6.Support all Nikon F lens in MF mode;7.Made of Aluminum Alloy, powerful and stable;8.Standard 1/4 tripod baseplate at the bottom;9.Support firmware upgradingSpecifications：Front side: Nikon F-Mount LensRear side:E-Mount CameraCamera-end External diameter: 60mmLens-end External diameter: 69mmTotal length: 82mmWeight: 250gCompatibility:1.Exif Transmitting, Aperture Control functions supports nearly all Sony E-Mount Cameras (Excluding Sony Camcorders)Notice:This function is only for EMD and Pull-rod Aperture lens (Such as: G Type, E Type, and Partial D Type Lens)2.AF Function (Current V06 Firmware) supports Sony A6300, A6500, A7M2, A7M3, A7R2, A7R3, A9 Camera only in ‘Phase Detection Focus’ mode.3.VR Function supports all VR lens(The lens comes with VR function) and Non-VR lens(The lens comes with no VR function but can reach VR through activating Camera’s VR )

Hi guys! I am totally new to this forum. I tried to find a thread treating my issue but haven't found one, so I decided to start a new topic. I have been using Oly MFT (since 2011 OM-D M5, since 2016 OM-D M1MII) for years and I was quite happy with it, especially with its packed-size and "travellability"! Nonetheless, I started to look around for another (better) solution and rented a Sony A7 IV for 1 week on a dive-trip in the mediterranean sea - the result KNOCKED ME OFF!!! I am sure all of you guys already using a FF mirrorless can only laugh of me :-) So, I took the decision to upgrade my gear to a fullframe, mirrorless cam and started searching different options. I am currently struggling between the 3 models: NIKON Z7 SONY A7R IV SONY A7R III I wonder if anyone of you could give me a clue why I should prefer the A7R III or Nikon to the A7 IV (except the additional price-step to take and the higher noise)...! :-) For those of you who'd like to read some pros and cons about the 3 candidates, just read on. For those of you who can give me a hint, feel free to scroll down and type your answer - THANKS!! I've read several forums and comparisons about advantages and disadvantages, some of which I'd like to share with you! Nikon Z7 I have had "hands-on" in a camera-shop. Good "look and feel"-feeling, but nothing really better than the SONY. + proven manufacturer + high-quality products + sensor quality + quick cardslots (XQD) + menu-structure a bit more well-thought than the Sony (not necessarily from my personal point of view, though) + quite a fair price - currently only a few lenses available (except F-mounts with adapter) - generally one or two steps behind in developing mirrorless cams - "only" 1 cardslot (although I cannot imagine this really being an issue in everyday use...) Sony A7R IV I was able to do a 1-week-live-testing with a rented equip. and I was absolutely convinced of this baby! :-) + successfully selling and developing mirrorless fullframes since 2013 + incredibly high pxl: 61MP + rocket-fast autofocus (provided using a GM-lens) + picture quality + highest resolution of viewfinder (5.6 MP vs 3.6 MP on the Z7 and A7R III) + very wide variety / choice of lenses (all possible lengths, types and price-segments) - due to the very high density of pxls on the sensor (50% more pxls on the same area 36x24mms), slightly more noise - ... and maybe some erratic colors (I haven't been able to confirm this issue => anyone an idea?) - the cardslots are not working very quickly, despite the fact that both slots are UHS-II SDXC - Sony is not very known (as far as I know) as a manufacturer in the PHOTO-segment (more in the movie industry) Sony A7R III I have not yet been able to see it live, but I was told that for my purposes, it would serve almost as well as the A7R IV with some compromises. However, its price is remarkably lower... Compared to the A7R IV: + remarkably less pricey + noise and color accuracy are told to be a bit better => can anyone confirm this?? - less resolution (42MP vs 61MP) - viewfinder less resolution (3.8 MP vs 5.6 MP) - slower autofocus Thanks for reading, folks!!

I get there are probably not too many people shooting the 13, but I wanted to ask - does anyone have the rear filter piece that they could measure the pitch/size of the threads? I'm betting I could 3D print a small insert for attaching gels/filters, but I don't see much threads to measure. It might even be that this filter is standard across other lenses? Like the 16mm fisheye?? Does anyone know on that? (Pic from another post off here as I'm missing that filter)

SELL HOUSING ASSEMBLY and CAMERA for $2,400 or the Housing, handle, and adapters without camera for $1,300. I would like to sell the pkg together, but if not I am willing to sell the camera after the housing has been sold. Ikelite 200 DL for Nikon D810 Ikelite Right Handle 4077.02 Ultralight Ball adapters. ULDB--08. qty 2. Nikon D810 (will include MB-D12, battery, battery charger, & book "Mastering the Nikon D810) A la carte items that I am willing to sell separately. Ikelite 45 deg viewfinder. New $950 NOW $525 Ikelite vacuum pump. New $60. NOW $30 Ikelite sync cord. 45282 New $190. NOW $110 Ikelite DL 8” DOME port. 7340 (Clean NO scratches) New $450, NOW $250 Ikelite DL Macro flat port. 750301 New $375 NOW $250 Ikelite lens port extension. 75020 New $200, NOW $125 Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 NOW $300 The underwater kit has seen 1 trip to Indonesia last year and all is in great condition. It was purchased from Backscatter in 2019. Please reach out to me here. Email. MikeLloyd888@gmail.com Link to the photos of the gear. let me know if you cannot access: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uWrkVayJbRJzHHSDL41K7PKFey2onKhC?usp=sharing

FS Complete System for Nikon D-810, Ikelite Housing, Ikelite DS161M Strobes and arms, additional ports. I would like to keep this together as a package, otherwise, individual prices are higher. Total Package $4,700 everything including camera body and 18-50 f 2.8 macro lens and focus ring. Individual Prices: Camera and lens 18-50mm f 2.8 macro $1,500 Housing only excellent condition $1,400 Ports very good condition $900 Note: small scratch on 8 inch dome. However, it has shown no effect on photos. Srtobes (each) excellent condition $1,000 Note: one set of arms per strobe, Includes single cable for one, or double cable if both purchased

Lightly used Sea and Sea housing for the Nikon Z7, or Z6 camera. Great condition, 9 out of 10. Must sell. Half off of retail price $1795.

Hi Tim, Thanks so much for your reply. Wish you all good in your moving. Yes, I just decided to buy a Sigma 15mm which is more newer than Tokina 10-17. I'm with a D750 now and in the process of purchasing a Nauticam housing system from China. I just read an article online yesterday saying that Tokina 10-17 works very well on a full frame DSLR with a more like wide angle effect than fisheye on DX camera. I attached the link here https://www.uwphotographyguide.com/sigma-15mm-tokina-fisheye-review for you, may be you have some interest in it. By the way, on your experience, do you think it's better to change for a new D850 instead of using the current D750 which seems to be much more harder for sell when I want to upgrade my devices in the future. Thank you.

I am changing camera and selling my much-loved Hugyfot Nikon D7100/7200 housing and accessories. I would like to sell everything in one lot, but will consider breaking the set if I cannot sell it all. 1. Hugyfot Nikon D7100 housing, (also suitable for Nikon D7200). Complete with; · Hugycheck vacuum system and manual pump · Standard viewfinder · Single Nikonos 5-pin adapter and Hugyfot twin fibre optic adapter · Blanking cap · Allen key set This has been well used but is in full working order and has been serviced. 2. Inon 45 degree viewfinder. Used and in good condition. 3. Ports; · Sea & Sea 150mm acrylic dome port (repolished) with Hugyfot adapter · Hugyfot wide angle port (repolished) · Hugyfot 70mm macro port (short one, allows use with 35mm lens). All with neoprene covers, Hugyfot ports have blanking caps. 4. Super macro lens adaptor for Hugyfot macro port. Includes FIT magnetic lens adaptor with 67-77mm ring and Dyron UCL77 supplementary lens (+7 dioptre). 5. Hugyfot extension rings; 20, 30, 40 and 50mm 6. Zoom gears for Nikon 12-24, Sigma 17-70 and Tokina 10-17 (2 off) 7. Spares pack, including O rings, spare zoom gear and unused spare circuit board. Lots more photos if you want them. Price for all the above excluding postage €2,900. Also available to go with the housing is Nikon D7100 body, complete in original box and with very low shutter count (<16000). €350 plus postage. Alternatively I have a D7200 with higher shutter count (<40,000) which I might consider selling for €550 plus postage.

Nauticam NA-D300S for Nikon d300s for sale. What's in the package; *Housing (installed full vacuum check&leak detection) never failed. *hand pump PRICE; 940USD. Location; Mabul Island, Sabah, Malaysia. Local pick up preferred. Contact me through Email; Dabemitchell@yahoo.com

Hello, I am selling my current kit with a plan to upgrade. I want to keep the package complete. The price of everything new at today’s prices is ~ USD $6,200. I am willing to sell for $4,400. The housing has seen only 1 trip to Raja Ampat last November. Purchased early 2019 from Backscatter in CA. Everything is in great condition. With the kit here, I shoot with a Sigma 15mm and AF Micro Nikkor 60 f/2.8 (old style). I am keeping these lenses for my new rig. Nikon D810 Ikelite 200DL Housing Nikon D810 ikelite 4077.02 right handle Ikelite 45 deg viewfinder Ikelite vacuum pump Ikelite 75340 DL 8" Dome port Ikelite 75301 DL Macro flat port ikelite 75020 lens port extension ikelite 45282 sync cord uldb-08. ultralight ball adapters Nikon MB-D12 multi battery power I also have one of the magic trio of lenses that I need to part with as it does not fit with current objectives. AF-S Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8 ED. New $1900 NOW: USD $1200. For further info please contact me directly: MikeLloyd888@gmail.com and What's App +65 8218 3145 Photos of gear are here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uWrkVayJbRJzHHSDL41K7PKFey2onKhC?usp=sharing

For Sale: Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35mm f/4G ED VR Wide Angle Zoom Lens Absolutely mint condition. Basically brand new. I took this lens out of the box and then never used it. It is perfect, and comes in the original box with warranty card and all accessories like hood and cloth case. Feel free to make a reasonable offer. I see that this lens is selling on Amazon and B&H Photo for $996.95. Given the delays in shipping stuff internationally these days, I'd much prefer to ship these items within the US. I'll figure the cost of shipping via UPS, USPS, or Fedex and we can come to an agreement, hopefully.

I am selling a complete Nikon D850 system, a dream setup that includes everything you need to shoot professional quality images. I’d like to invite you to check out the work I was able to produce with this amazing camera: https://www.instagram.com/lorenzoballarinphoto/ Most of the equipment was purchased brand new in September 2019, all the items listed below are in excellent conditions, they have been looked after meticulously. The camera body is in like new conditions, it has never been used outside the housing. All lenses and dome are in perfect conditions, no scratches in front elements. I would love to sell the setup as a whole, but I will consider selling some items separately. Camera: Nikon D850 DSLR Lenses: Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX DG Diagonal Fisheye Lens Nikon AF-S 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR Nikon AF-S 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 G IF VR Nikon AF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 G DX VR II Nikon AF-S 55-200MM F/4-5.6G ED VR II Kenko 1.4X PRO 300 Teleconverter DGX Nikon AF Housing: Nauticam NA-D850 Housing for Nikon D850 (Integrated led flash trigger, vacuum system and leak detector, dual ball handled tray & dual mounting ball on housing, 2x vacuum pumps, Nauticam Allen key set) Ports & Extension rings: Nauticam N120 140mm Optical-Glass fisheye dome port with removable shade Nauticam N120 Macro Port 60 Nauticam Extension ring 30 with lock Nauticam Extension ring 20 with lock Strobes: 2x Sea & Sea YS-D2J 4x Fiber Optic Cables Arms: 2x Float arms 4x regular strobe arms 6x Nauticam clamps 2x strobe arm clamps 1x cold shoe ball mount (for macro port) Case: Pelican 1620 Case, to carry the whole setup, everything in this list fits inside the case. Extras: Sony 64GB XQD card 2x 64GB San Disk Extreme pro 300 mb/s Gorilla pod 2x Camera straps Nikon Battery Charger Nikon D850 battery 2x Eneloop Chargers 16x Eneloop Pro Batteries Aquatech hand strap Spare fiber optic connector Spare Vacuum plug Air Blower 5x Nauticam O-ring grease 4x Sea&Sea O-ring grease 5x CR2032 Batteries Spare Housing o-rings and Port o-rings Due to image size restrictions I can only upload a couple of pictures in the post, remaining photos of the items can be found here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/187905621@N03/F6Eo2p Items are located in Australia. Shipping charges and PayPal fees at buyer’s expense. Please feel free to ask questions or discuss individual prices. Asking price for the whole setup is 10,000 USD

Remember that? When this 10,2MP camera got released in 2005 it blew the 6MP D100 away . I took some great shots with this camera Sea&Sea DX D200 Housing and Nikon D200 I'm accepting reasonable offers. Items location is Sabah, Malaysia, please consider the shipping costs. Pictures: https://mega.nz/#F!OoV0iAZC!uKQuGdiMKpsfx2DVk7KIhw

There's been some discussion of late of various combinations of lenses with a Kenko 1.4TC: what works, what doesn't. I've got both the Kenko 1.4TC DG and DGX models, a Nikon D500, a Z6, the Tokina 10-17 and the Nikkor 8-15. I thought Wetpixelers might find it useful to see the results of the various combinations. What works is in bold. D500 (DX) D500 + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DG + Tokina 10-17: AF works; no vignetting at any focal length D500 + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DGX + Tokina 10-17: AF works; no vignetting at any focal length D500 + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DG + Nikkor 8-15: Err message. No AF; no vignetting at any focal length D500 + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DGX + Nikkor 8-15: AF works; no vignetting at any focal length Nikon Z6 (and, presumably Z7) with firmware 3.0 Z6 + FTZ + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DG + Nikkor 8-15: AF works; vignettes with hood attached after 11 Z6 + FTZ + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DGX + Nikkor 8-15: No AF; No aperture readout; vignettes with hood attached after 11 Z6 + FTZ + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DG + Tokina 10-17 : No AF; aperture read out; vignettes with hood attached after 11 Z6 + FTZ + Kenko Telepro Plus 300 DGX + Tokina 10-17 : No AF; No aperture read out; vignettes with hood attached after 11 Conclusion a. If you want to use the Kenko with a Tokina 10-17 on a D500 no problem with the DG or DGX model b. If you want to use the Kenko with a Nikkor 8-15 on a D500, you need the DGX model c. If you want to use the Kenko with a Nikkor 8-15 on a Z6/Z7 you need the DG model d. Forget trying to use either the Kenko DG or DGX with a Tokina 10-17 on the Z6/Z7 (well why would you anyway) I don't have the Kenko HD model so can't comment on that but perhaps if someone has, they could add the data for that. Hope this helps, guys Tim

Hi all, I've had my Nikon D7000 Seacam rig since 2013 haven't reviewed for a new setup for a few years, I mostly dive in Scotland from the Club Rhib / shore diving. Upgraded from optical flash cables (Constantly having to replace) to S6 Connectors, Purchased the Seacam 45 degree viewfinder to help get the camera under the subject. (Water Clarity and Backscatter are key factors) Currently use the: Tokina 10-17 Fisheye with a Wide Port with anti-reflective coating (140mm Diameter) - 25mm Extension ring - if I open up to 10mm I can see the Sun shades in the final image. For Macro - 60mm Nikon F2.8 ED standard flat port. - super sharp and some times use for fish behind the Dome Port. 2 * Z240 MK4 Strobes - S6 connections & Greenforce Hepastar for lighting I have Sigma sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 HSM for Land and Nikon 20mm F2.8, Nikon F1.8 35mm DX (Just bought) - which have been used occasionally underwater. I'm interested in Wide angle shots of Wrecks, Walls, Geological Features and getting better pictures of skittish fish - Cod, Ling etc. at depth 25 -35 metres ( I have been diving on a AP Rebreather for the last two years) getting auto focus and lighting right is an issue. After upgrading from the Olympus C5050 to the D7000 have benefited from the increased dynamic range and also improved autofocus for Macro. At the moment looking at my photographs, the low light noise on the sensor vs the loss in quality of the images on the edges (Dome Port Optics) is about the right balance. Thinking about what tweaks I can make - obviously big jumps are the Nikon D500 or Nikon FX which require a large investment for 5% - 10% improvement in quality? Other lenses that I've seen talked about are the Nikon 8-15mm Fisheye, Sigma 17-70 Macro, Nikon 105 or 85mm DX Macro Lenses? Seacam do other Dome Ports - Fisheye Port 160mm, Compact Port 170mm or Superdome 240mm Would be good to get feedback from other Nikon and Nikon Seacam Photographers on what combinations has worked well for them. Thanks Paul

For sale SeaCam Housing of Nikon D800. Also have Super Dome and flat view finder. No damage to housing. Some signs of wear. Housing $1000 or package with Super Dome and flat view finder $1500. Just add the camera and lens to start shooting. Strobe outlets are wired for SeaCam Strobes.

I've shot the Olympus 4/3 OM-D series for years. I'm thinking about moving up to a full frame. I'm nearing the end of my diving and will keep the FF for use afterwards. So, what would be your choice and why? I'm leaning towards the the Sony A 7 iii or the A7r. However, as I learned from the forum, be open to what experienced users recommend!!

FOR SALE: Sea & Sea MDX-PRO D700 Housing for Nikon D700 (condition: acceptable) *No leak. Healthy O-ring. Buttons/dials functional except as described: Among the four arrow buttons on rear back, the right button has suffered some rust in the spring and isn't functional; perhaps reparable? But the D700 menu is still completely accessible thanks to center and OK buttons. During playback image scrolling still accomplished with rear wheel. Only lack of functionality due to button is not being able to move to right while zooming in image playback or manually moving focus point to right, which are not essential. PRICE: $500 (OBO) Thanks, Kurt Chambers Kailua-Kona, HI https://www.facebook.com/hawaiifreediving https://www.instagram.com/chambersbelow

FOR SALE: Sea & Sea MDX-D800 Housing for Nikon D800/D800E (condition: excellent) Housing was never used in ocean, only a few times in pool. PRICE: $1600 (OBO) Thanks, Kurt Chambers Kailua-Kona, HI https://www.facebook.com/hawaiifreediving https://www.instagram.com/chambersbelow

A-series SPL Waterhousing made to fit Nikon D300S. A great waterhousing for photographing surfing, sailing, kite boarding, bodyboarding, or many other shallow water activities and rated to a maximum depth of 25-30 feet. Housing is constructed of ultra lightweight aluminum. Sheared, formed on a sheet metal press brake and then welded solid by certified welder. All aluminum is hard anodized to protect against salt water corrosion. The water housing is then painted with industrial powder coat paint. Weight is 3 lbs with fisheye port and pistol grip. Features & Controls Control for photo/video and rec/pause. Shutter Speed Aperature Manual shutter release on side for emergency backup. Large LCD windows on top and back of housing. Detachable side grip. Latest new molded detachable pistol grip with all new custom designed two stage autofocus grip. Detachable flash option so you can later add a flash. Included Items Camera housing. Upgraded more expensive dome port to fit a standard lens, fisheye lens or wide angle lens. Detachable pistol grip with 2 stage autofocus. Detachable side grip. Custom leash. Neoprene port cover. Additional parts, tools and o-ring grease. Manufacturers instructions. Shockproof rigid foam lined travel/storage case measuring approximately 23"x18"x10" Housing is only 3 years old in mint condition and has had very little use. Used only 4 or 5 times max. Absolutely no blemishes, scratches, dings, floods or the like. Purchased brand new from SPL and paid about $1,900 for everything with the extra options. A great deal at $1,095. Contact hodgkins.doug@gmail.com

HI! i am a semi professional photographer and after years of dreaming am finally ready to start shooting underwater. I currently have a d800, and it’s days as my primary camera are coming to an end, but it is still very functional. I am debating if it is worth it to buy a housing for it or just wait until I get a new camera ( I have no idea when that will be, could be another year still) does anyone still shoot with an 800 underwater? Is it a good underwater camera? I was looking at the Ikelite housing for it as the price is right, does anyone have experience with it? Would anyone happen to be selling a d800 housing?! thanks!!

Zen DP-100 (100mm) optical glass port with Aquatica mount. Glass and housing are perfect! Comes with cover. $695.00 includes shipping U.S. Also, Aquatica 8-15mm Nikon zoom gear. Perfect shape $80.00 includes shipping U.S. Will sell separate. jcdovala@verizon.net