Which underwater video lights?

[Painted Frogfish 0]

Hi all

I'm a novice when it comes to underwater video and plan to go underwater with my new Sony HDR HC1 in Ikelite housing next month. Which underwater lights should I buy? Thanks.

[Drew 0]

Hi frogfish

The question should be what sort of bulk are you willing to put up with, how you are going to use them and of course, how much money you want to spend. Obviously the choice is to get as bright and wide lights as you can afford, with decent burn time. Lately HID lights are the flavor of the year. Against the most powerful halogen Xenophots, it still gives a lumens/watt output that's 2/3s of the halogens, giving good burn time. However CRI is a low 60+ vs 100 for halogen. If you do a search in this forum, you will find many discussions on the merits and disadvantage of both. There's also LED lights which I know very little about, esp lumens/watt and CRI.

[rizumi 0]

I've personally used both halogen and HID lights, and much prefer

HIDs because they have high color temperature. The high temps give

light closer to noonday sun, making colors really pop out. I'm not

going to get into the "what do colors really look like underwater"

issue here - that's another whole (inane) argument.

 

But here are the issues as I've experienced them:

 

HID Pros:

Superior color due to hi temperature (5500 - 6500 K)

Brighter, usually with better coverage and penetration

 

HID Cons:

Some don't like the sometimes bluish cast to the color, particularly

during night dives where there is no daylight fill

Poor reliability - some better than others

Very high initial cost

Very high cost for spares, batteries, etc.

Need large batteries due to greater current requirements

Tend to be heavy due to big batteries

Hardware tends to be finicky, and there are some rules you must follow

to prolong the HID bulb lifetime

 

Halogen Pros

Much lower initial and maintenance costs

Better reliability

Usually considerably smaller thus more easily transported

Longer burntime due to reduced current required vs. HIDs

Longer bulb lifetimes

 

Halogen Cons:

Somewhat orange cast to the light due to lower color temp

Less brightness / penetration

 

Having said all this, I'm crazy for using HIDs you must think.

But, especially for getting "broadcast quality" video, they are

the best for the money (yes, there are even more expensive lights).

 

Right now I use Light and Motion HIDs with the big batteries;

I like them because they have the best dispersal, giving a

very even light. I spent a whole day at DEMA checking out

every HID made, and they all have nasty hot spots except L&M. This

is due to their superior reflector technology. Since the reflector

is so well designed, you don't need a diffuser, which many other

companies seem to think is the way to go; but diffusers will eat

up about 25-35% of the emitted light. That's one third of your

expensive illumination going into the ol' photon bucket.

 

But it's definitely a love / hate affair with the L&Ms - they can

be very frustrating to use due to poor reliability.

 

I have also used Nite Rider HIDs, which are not as powerful as the

L&Ms, but are cheaper and much more easily reconfigurable to work on

several different housings. Overall a nice little light.

 

Though I have no personal experience with the USVH compact fluorescent

video lights, I've seen them in use, and some of the resulting video.

I was impressed. And, bulbs are $30 vs. $250 (ouch!) for L&M HIDs.

They're definitely worth checking out. I'm thinking about getting a

set for myself.

 

For a newbie, I'd probably recommend starting out with halogen lights.

They work just fine for most users who aren't that concerned with

"broadcast production values", and will keep the number of maintenance

issues down. It's hard enough learning the video craft without having

to deal with extra hardware nightmares!

 

Ray Izumi

http://www.chateaugris.com

[Drew 0]

Hi Ray

Thanks for the information. Always good to have practical knowledge not biased by measurbating. I do have a few questions.

1. You say you get better burn times with halogens than HID vs halogen. May I ask what halogen lights you are using? I have the exact opposite effect. But I don't use the L&M Elites. What sort of halogens are you comparing them to?

2. About longer bulb life. The Solarc (Allen Wynch) HID bulbs are rated for 500-1000 hrs. The xenophots (brightest bulb in the Osram/Sylvania catalog) is rated for 50 hrs. What are the L&M HIDs rated for?

3. Battery size: I had the Nite Rider BW batteries running my Sartek 24W HIDs. Each last an hour and as a package much lighter than the usual battery pack 9mah I need to run my halogens 2 x 50W (xenophots).

Could you please be specific in your equipment listing so we know what you are comparing with?

Thanks

[Painted Frogfish 0]

Wow, bit more than I was looking for!!!

I'll try available light shooting with filter first.

Then add an HID if necessary.

Cheers.

[pmooney 6]

I have been using L&M HID lights since they were first introduced to the market - they conservatively have 500 hours of reliable use. Great light temp - excellent colour fair battery life. (I should note that I have been the only user of these units - which probally has added to the life )

 

I recently got a set of greenforce Squid 100's - I think they are a little too green for me. Light heads are big & bulky for me - great battery life.

 

A great hybrid would be L&M HID heads ( wet connect this end ) powered by the

Greenforce battery ( screw connect this end ).

 

Nothing about HID light is cheap - some is less expensive tha other's.

 

my 2 cents

[rizumi 0]

>Could you please be specific in your equipment listing so we know what you are comparing with?

 

Here are the specs:

 

1) L&M Sunray-X Pro HIDs

2) Niterider HIDs

3) L&M Sunray-X Elite halogens

4) Sea & Sea halogens

5) Niterider Pro Video halogens

6) SunRay-S Mini Pro halogens

 

Ray Izumi

http://www.chateaugris.com

[Drew 0]

Thanks Ray.

For reference:

L&M Sunray-X HID are 21W HID(total consumption with ballast is 31W) at 1302 lumens, 5500°K

Sunray-X Halogens are 35W 1050lumens, 3400°K

S&S BLX-55 halogen 55W 4700°K no data on the lumens but they were dimmer than my Hartenberger 50W Xenophots which are 1600lumens (I think), probably due to the colored diffuser to get 4700°K.

[nshon 0]

I'm using a pair (well mostly one) UK Light Cannons with my Ikelite housing and Ultralight arms. Kinda cheap and cheerful white lights.

[larsdennert 0]

How do you like the Light Canons? With two you must get really good coverage. Like everything, do they have a 4-5 ft range? Are you using rechargeables? I was going to just try my UK1200 but the beam is too narrow without the difuser. It also takes D's and is even more bulky. How are the Light Canons atop a housing? Is just one adequate?

[meekal 0]

just my $0.02 worth - i have only used the DUAL UK LightCannon gimik twice - so take this 'experience' for what it's worth. (literally about $0.02) withOUT the diffuser they are way TOOOOO hot - WITH the diffuser you might get 2~3 feet (about 1 meter) worth of LIGHT - so unless you're doing MACRO worth.... i found them not really worth the bother.

 

you can check out an example at http://piddlefish.servepics.com/SCUBA/video.html - choose the SPEIGEL GROVE of Nov 26. - yea, yea, i know.... i shouldn't have been using the RED FILTER, but......

 

what's the bother? it essentially doubles the weight of your rig and it made mine (mounted on a pair of ULTRALITE arms) signicantly top heavy. i do most of my shooting in clear Florida waters for a point of reference

[nshon 0]

How do you like the Light Canons? With two you must get really good coverage. Like everything, do they have a 4-5 ft range? Are you using rechargeables? I was going to just try my UK1200 but the beam is too narrow without the difuser. It also takes D's and is even more bulky. How are the Light Canons atop a housing? Is just one adequate?

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Hmm, I've been told I look like a UFO from a distance with both lights on. I'd say 4ft tops and one is adequate. They are really unwieldly as a pair together with the Ikelites and travel is a b**ch. Bought the rechargables but haven't used them, battery life is very good for the cannons.

 

My guess is, I need longer arms to reduce backscatter and fresh batteries. They have to be bright enough and like the previous post says you need both diffusers on or you'll get a REALLY hot spot.

[bvanant 195]

We also looked at all of the available lights and settled on the Niterider HID system since our experiences with L&M lights was so terribly abysmal. They certainly didn't have any idea what customer service was about. Niterider has probably the best service of any underwater company that we have ever dealt with and are guaranteed for life. The lights themselves are bright enough with diffusers to be useful even in SOCAL murk and aren't too bad to pack. The battery system can be bolted to the housing but putting it on a BC makes more ergonomic sense.

 

Bill

[ronrosa 0]

For a newbie, I'd probably recommend starting out with halogen lights.

They work just fine for most users who aren't that concerned with

"broadcast production values", and will keep the number of maintenance

issues down. It's hard enough learning the video craft without having

to deal with extra hardware nightmares!

 

Ray Izumi

 

Ding Ding Ding. My cheap halogen light suites my needs fine.

 

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