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20D, D100, S2pro Digital rebel/300D are not compatible,

 

D70/s and 5D The D70/s only the last batch is compatible, the 5D the latest model are mostly compatible. A retrofit is in study but cost might be an issue if demmand is not high enough for it.

 

D2X there will be a retrofit program (specific to be available in the next coming day) for the D2X housing, we can do on the D2x because of the nature of the housing, its machined from solid stock and is done in small batch) we cannot for the other housing which are not compatible.

 

I will take some shots tomorrow and post them to help you figure out the visual cue to identify your housing as a potential suitor to the view finder. but off the cuff, looking inside your housing rear portion if you see a large black o-ring around your viewfinder base that is easely removable, then that mean your housing is compatible with the Aqua View.

 

C'mon guys, its a new addition to our line of accessories, so we had to make concession, one of them was if, we wanted a better quality, we had to do some difficult choice, our current supplied viewfinder (20D, D100 etc.) has always been one of the best, but trying to accomodate that huge chunk of view finder into the dimension of the hole we had, sorry :) but, lesser diameter+ lesser prism= lesser quality, not a compromise we wanted to make, so hence we look forward and try to improve the product day in day out.

 

In retrospect for all the quality of the new view finder, your old Aquatica are still as good has the day you got them. The new housing, and I includes our competition, will always improve on the current state of affair, its the nature of the beast. And to close, Yes I would like to have my Fuji housing retrofitted, hell even my trusty, crusty F90X (that a film camera, remember thoses :angry: ) Trust me, I have the same feeling when I hear that you just got a 1Ds and next month they show up with the mark II version, and Nikon D2Xs and D70s... The industry used to design a housing for ten years, now its more like ten months, its not an apology its a reality factor :wacko: .

 

Well at this point I'm just completely bummed. I had gotten all excited over a product that could have vastly improved my underwater photographic experience (but probably not results ;) ). The biggest issue I was having in transitioning to the housed SLR from P&S (my trusty Tetra 4040) was not having the LCD available for composition.

 

Simple question:

 

Have you stopped producing housings for the 20D, D70, S2 and Digital Rebel? If not, then this line from your press release should be rescinded as it may inspire someone to puchase a housing with the false understanding that the viewfinder is available for it:

 

"the rugged Aqua View is compatible with our recent line up of camera housing"

 

That's fresh, given that until a day or two before when the 30D housing was unveiled, the 20D was still the "current" cropped sensor Canon in your lineup.

 

I'm just bummed! :):):(

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Hi parablennius,

 

Judging from your photos I'm sorry to say you indeed have an earlier version of the D70 housing which will not support the Aqua View.

 

I'm still waiting to hear when housing replacement backs for D70 housing will be available and for what price.

 

I'm sure Jean can help us out with that one.

 

Best regards,

 

Tom Stack

 

http://www.tomstackphoto.com

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I love my housing, but I'd say Aquatica has done a poor job of communicating useful information on this thousand dollar+ viewfinder to its customer base.

I don't know that I see any fault with Aquatica's handling of this situation. It was just a few weeks ago that they showed an example at DEMA, but even that piece was either not coated or not coated properly, so who here didn't understand it was unlikely that Aquatica had finalized production, distribution or fitment. One, maybe two, of Aquatica's resellers did the forum a disservice by whipping up the frenzy just a bit and at this point there wasn't any reason to do that, but in the end it was pretty clear that Aquatica didn't yet have a handle on this product, so any ordering or planning would seem to have been hopeful, to say the least.

 

I have been using Seacam's S45 since 2000 and S180 since 2002 so I understand how an Aquatica user might have become impatient, but still the onus is upon us to make certain we understand everything before purchasing a brand new product, at least if we want the right to complain.

 

This is a slim industry and despite the fact that I believe most intentions are good, I don't ever find a compelling reason to be the first to bet my hopes or money on a new product that hasn't seen the water in a lot of other people's hands first ;)

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I don't know that I see any fault with Aquatica's handling of this situation. It was just a few weeks ago that they showed an example at DEMA, but even that piece was either not coated or not coated properly, so who here didn't understand it was unlikely that Aquatica had finalized production, distribution or fitment. One, maybe two, of Aquatica's resellers did the forum a disservice by whipping up the frenzy just a bit and at this point there wasn't any reason to do that, but in the end it was pretty clear that Aquatica didn't yet have a handle on this product, so any ordering or planning would seem to have been hopeful, to say the least.

 

I have been using Seacam's S45 since 2000 and S180 since 2002 so I understand how an Aquatica user might have become impatient, but still the onus is upon us to make certain we understand everything before purchasing a brand new product, at least if we want the right to complain.

 

This is a slim industry and despite the fact that I believe most intentions are good, I don't ever find a compelling reason to be the first to bet my hopes or money on a new product that hasn't seen the water in a lot of other people's hands first :)

 

Nothing I say will change the facts as we now understand them. Life is full of disappointments....not being able to drop $1000 on a new toy falls pretty far down on the list ;)

 

I realize how new the product is, but I've always been an early adopter. I was especially willing to jump at it in this case since I've been going blind and having a very difficult time getting composition/DOF right (more than usual :D ) with my current setup. :blink: This was a prayer answered.

 

I personally still feel that "the rugged Aqua View is compatible with our recent line up of camera housing" was misleading. Who here wouldn't consider their 20D, D70, S2Pro or 5D housing part of Aquatica's "recent" line up of housings?

 

In the interest of providing a template for a more helpful and accurate press release [i'm making some of this up, don't know if this is actually what could happen!]. How about: "The rugged Aqua View is compatible with all Aquatica D200 and 30D housings, as well as 5D housings manufactured after xx/xx/xx. In addition, all future DSLR housings manufactured by Aquatica for the Canon xxx, Nikon xxx and Fuji xxx will be compatible with the Aqua View [definitely haven't heard if this will happen yet because of inventory, design or other reasons]. In addition, Aquatica is looking into a possible retrofit/back replacement program [Gawd I hope so!] to make the Aqua View available to existing owners of Aquatica DSLR housings."

 

I'm no marketing genius, but that would have helped.

 

Dead horse...........BEATEN!

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I personally still feel that "the rugged Aqua View is compatible with our recent line up of camera housing" was misleading. Who here wouldn't consider their 20D, D70, S2Pro or 5D housing part of Aquatica's "recent" line up of housings?

I don't believe "recent line up" equates with "every housing we make". But I do believe that a company located in Montreal may be posting an English statement with origins in French language, and as such might not convey precisely. So for some nifty new $ 1,100.00 accessory that I just have to have, I'd pick up the phone and spend 10 or 15 minutes finding out, on a direct personal level, if my current kit would accept it.

 

I understand your disapointment, but to me it feels unfair and harsh to make such a complaint. Jean sure seems to have been stand-up throughout the discussions on this new finder.

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Thanks DRK, being French has its perk once in a while, you can wiggle out of communication jam much easier, So soooorry! I aaaam Freeeench, pardonnez-moi, ze english is my second language :blink:;)

 

I'm working with you guys on that one and we will have a Communiqué tomorrow (friday) as clear as Bahamas water, but if any one need to contact me specificly they can e-mail me at jean@aquatica.ca and I will do my upmost to help you, meanwhile I applaude you for letting us know there is an interest for the D70 and 20D housing, for now i'll say that much tonight, with these two housing if the demand his there, nothing is impossible. :)

 

Au revoir !

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Tell Blake I'd be happy to test the prototype for the 20D out for him. TICA the Canadian red housing is primed and ready. ;)

 

Todd

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I don't believe "recent line up" equates with "every housing we make". But I do believe that a company located in Montreal may be posting an English statement with origins in French language, and as such might not convey precisely. So for some nifty new $ 1,100.00 accessory that I just have to have, I'd pick up the phone and spend 10 or 15 minutes finding out, on a direct personal level, if my current kit would accept it.

 

I understand your disapointment, but to me it feels unfair and harsh to make such a complaint. Jean sure seems to have been stand-up throughout the discussions on this new finder.

 

Actually, I've twice sent emails to Aquatica through the "contact us" section of their website and got no reply. Maybe I should have asked in french? :blink: But my french is so bad that I may inadvertently wind up asking for directions to Vancouver or insulting someone's mother! I totally agree that Jean has been very responsive here and I think we all really appreciate it.

 

The issue (I really am just trying to help!) is that not every Aquatica owner is a regular reader on this forum and doesn't have the benefit of a relatively direct conversation with Jean through this thread. The Aqua View, as currently configured, is basically only compatible with two (possibly three) of the nine digital SLR housings in their current catalog.

 

It sounds like they're being responsive and working on it, and that's all one can really hope for.

 

Oh, and if I haven't pissed Jean off too much in the last couple of days, I too would willingly volunteer to test a 20D solution B) Although it will probably be either in a pool or under the ice! Sigh, 16 degrees F this morning in Chicago. This is what happens when I've been dry for too long ;) .

 

Stefan

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Ouch! I’m also the one taking care of the website, maybe I should spend less time here and more time there! :blink:

 

Here are some clarifications.

 

Current as in what is produced at concept/design of the finder, this finder has been designed quite recently (spring 2006).

 

Here is a list of housing that are currently in production:

 

Nikon D200

Nikon D2X

Soon Nikon D80 (make that very soon)

Canon 5D

Canon 30D

 

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Not manufactured but still available in small quantity from factory

 

Nikon D70/s

 

All other housing model for Nikon D100, Canon 300D/Digital Rebel, 20D & Fuji S2pro might be available from some of our distributing dealers, but are not manufactured anymore.

 

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A housing retrofit is available for:

 

For Nikon D2X (early version)

For Canon 5D (early version)

 

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A retrofit is possible for, if the demand is there*:

 

Nikon D70/s

Canon 20D (might be some issue with the delete button as we would need to move the LCD window down a bit)

 

* We would need 25 or more customers of a housing model to commit to a run of casting, that’s 25 for the 20D and 25 for the Nikon D70/s housings, this would be done at a more than reasonable cost, but again only if we attain the required amount of orders.

 

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No retrofit will be available for:

 

Nikon D100

Fuji S2pro

Canon 300D/Digital Rebel

 

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For people interested in a retrofit the best would be to contact Aquatica at info@aquatica.ca and write < Retrofit and your housing model # ______> in the subject line. The nature of this forum precludes discussing price here, so please contact us for pricing and info.

 

Now back to working on the Website, before I get my finger slapped by you guys again ;)

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Jean - thank you for all of the information. We really appreciate your time and presence here at wetpixel.!

 

Occasional finger-slapping is an unfortunate effect of having open discussion, but it does allow you to get a sense of what the community is feeling. Don't let the actions of a few prevent you from continuing to represent Aquatica here. ;)

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But my french is so bad that I may inadvertently wind up asking for directions to Vancouver or insulting someone's mother!

 

Vancouver has good diving, and our mother are pretty resilient :blink:

 

Oh, and if I haven't pissed Jean off too much in the last couple of days

 

Dude, I'm unpissable ;)

 

FYI : our website does mention which housing is discontinued, the only exception being the D70 (at least for a few week since some unit are still available, next post will be I.D. shots on how to identify if you have a removable eye piece.

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Vancouver has good diving, and our mother are pretty resilient :)

Dude, I'm unpissable :blink:

 

FYI : our website does mention which housing is discontinued, the only exception being the D70 (at least for a few week since some unit are still available, next post will be I.D. shots on how to identify if you have a removable eye piece.

 

 

Jean

 

Thanks for all the information. Its very useful (if depressing for 20D and D70 owners :D ). After spending the last couple of days bashing the corporate communications on the viewfinder I would like shift gears to commend you specifically, and Aquatica more generally, for your willingness to engage directly with your customers in a public forum like this. Its very valuable, but still pretty rare for companies to do it, even today. When companies (such as the computer manufacturers) set up forums for their users to interact, they will rarely utilize these tools to directly engage in public discussion with their customers or potential customers about their products. Its even more rare for companies to act on the feedback. Thanks.

 

I shall now revert back to lurker mode ;) For now........

 

Stefan

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Stefan, we are not banning the idea of a retrofit on the 20D and D70, we just need the right amount (25) of people to commit if indeed anybody is interested, by all mean drop us an e-mail with your model type and coordonnate and if we make it to the minimun for a model type we will be more than happy to do a batch (that's 25 viewfinder sold, of course we will be happy :-) )

 

Thanks for the compliment, indeed a slap on the back feels good !

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Sorry for the delay, here is the photo showing both type, basically if you have easy access to an o-ring (a non sealing one ) your O.K., if you can't see any o-ring then that mean you are a canditate for the retrofit program

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How is the interest level coming for the 25 people needed for the D70 back retrofit?

Thanks.

Andy

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still getting some names, but so far not nearly enough for the retrofit program to start, you have until the 31 june, 2007 to commit, there is instruction on our web site, www.aquatica.ca

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still getting some names, but so far not nearly enough for the retrofit program to start, you have until the 31 june, 2007 to commit, there is instruction on our web site, www.aquatica.ca

 

Hi, I have a Aquatica A70 I'm interested in the retrofit program, what should I do?

 

Thanks

 

pm

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Just drop us an e-mail at info@aquatica.ca with the mention Retrofit program for D70 in the subject line, we will pick it up from there.

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New update on the viewfinder, the prism are the only component missing, our supplier says about another 3 to 4 weeks :-(

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Happy to report that I have had two fantastic weeks shooting a preproduction version of the AQUATICA aquafinder - I can only say good things about it and can't wait for the final version with the adjustable diopter - it is a winner.

 

Had a Subal D2X / grandviewfinder and an Aquatica D2XS / AQUAVIEWFINDER and spent two weeks diving them pretty solidly. They were at least the equal of each other although my feeling tends to put the larger image size in the aqua view in front at this time.

 

That feeling was consistant with those people in my party who tried the Aquatica out ( they all had Subal GF viewfinders, and where as keen as me to EXPERIENCE the results )

 

Before I get any flack - yes I do sell these Aquatica aquaview viewfinders. I also sell the Subal unit and have been diving there GF viewfinder since the introduction of that product.

 

If your housing accepts this viewfinder - order one straight away, if it doesn't PM me and I will work out something WORKABLE out for you ( commercial plug )

 

Peter

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I signed up for the 20D upgrade. The cost of the program is US$375.00+shipping and handling. That comes out to US$9375.00+ for 25. It would be interesting to see the count of those willing to get the retrofit. 20D vs D70 :D

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