skinch 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Hello I've been looking at this website and forum for a while and I finaly decided to post my first message and to start well, I have a question for you. Has anyone use or test the Focus Light Fisheye LED 48DX? I found reviews about the HG20DX, but nothing about the LED one. I'm really waiting for your opinions and even better pictures taken with this light. See you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan 48 Posted February 26, 2007 Buried in our website is this comparison... http://www.reefphoto.com/tt/index.php?acti...&article=14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Thanks Ryan, i had found this page just after posting this topic and it is a first step. But I really like to hear and see the results with underwater use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnon_Ayal 1 Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) Tn'x Ryan, I sow this article before but not the side by side comparison. What is interesting regarding the led lights is that the Superma's output (known also as Fantasea 44 led) is almost similar to the much more expensive (X5-6) Fisheye FIX Light LED48DX. Of course there is a big different in the build quality but the price different is huge, Edited February 26, 2007 by Arnon_Ayal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted February 27, 2007 What is interesting regarding the led lights is that the Superma's output (known also as Fantasea 44 led) is almost similar to the much more expensive (X5-6) Fisheye FIX Light LED48DX. Of course there is a big different in the build quality but the price different is huge, I have both lights... the one thing I do like about the Fix light LED vs the fantasea 44led is the variable output dial FIX light. Really helps with scittish critters who really don't like blaring LED's in their eyes. I've also had some issues with the Fantasea switch (but that was largely due to user misuse - getting sand in there) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks Pakman. Don't you have any pictures taken withe the lights? Don't you have Hot Spots on your pictures with the Fisheye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Thanks Pakman.Don't you have any pictures taken withe the lights? Don't you have Hot Spots on your pictures with the Fisheye. none that I've noticed so far... I don't think the LED Fix light is strong enough to creat a hotspot when using strobes. Here's a recent macro shot I did in Palau last week. That's from a nite dive using the Fix LED light. Edited February 27, 2007 by pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Tks again Pakman .. great Pic. In fact i also don't think that when you use strobes, the fix light will give you a hot spot ... Have you tried it without any strobes? Because I prefer to shout with natural light, i don't like the strobe. So what i liked to know is how much light does this fixlight give ... in natural conditions ... with no strobes behind I hope you understand what i mean by that. Edited February 27, 2007 by skinch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Tks again Pakman .. great Pic. In fact i also don't think that when you use strobes, the fix light will give you a hot spot ... Have you tried it without any strobes? Because I prefer to shout with natural light, i don't like the strobe. So what i liked to know is how much light does this fixlight give ... in natural conditions ... with no strobes behind I hope you understand what i mean by that. ah, I see what you mean. in that case, I think you might get a hotspot unless the ambient light is so bright (but then, you probably wouldn't need to the focus light !). The beam of light that the FIX LED creates does have a bit of a hotspot. Edited February 27, 2007 by pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted February 27, 2007 By any chance, you don't have a pictures taken in these conditions ... Another quick question on the go, how did you mount it on your housing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted February 27, 2007 By any chance, you don't have a pictures taken in these conditions ... Another quick question on the go, how did you mount it on your housing? unfortunately no... I haven't come across a situation where I am shooting ambient light where I needed the focus light. Actually the only I had to use it was for a cavern shot, but I just turned it on so the lens could lock focus, then turned it off for the actual shot. the light fits on hotshoe slot on the top of the housing (Sea & Sea) using a sea & sea adapter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnon_Ayal 1 Posted February 27, 2007 So what i liked to know is how much light does this fixlight give ... in natural conditions ... with no strobes behind In natural light at day time I can see the light form the 44 Fantasea led only if I pointed something from 20 cm or less, it’s good in caverns and so but in good light condition is give almost nothing. In situation like this you may have some hot spot but with strobes till now I didn’t noticed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Thank you both for your answers. Pakman: don't you have any pictures of your instalation ... Arnon_ayal: The Fisheye seems to be a little more powerfull than your Fantasea ... maybe the result is better in goodlight conditions than your fantasea I'd really like to see the results ... anyone else ... Edited February 27, 2007 by skinch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okuma 64 Posted March 3, 2007 Take a look at the Hartenberger mini focusing light - the MBZ of lights! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) Thank you both for your answers. Pakman: don't you have any pictures of your instalation ... Arnon_ayal: The Fisheye seems to be a little more powerfull than your Fantasea ... maybe the result is better in goodlight conditions than your fantasea I'd really like to see the results ... anyone else ... here you go skinch... pic of the Fix LED on my housing... sorry don't have any ambient pics with the LED on... Edited March 3, 2007 by pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cor 0 Posted March 3, 2007 Is there a big difference in output between the 48DX and the 20DX? Cor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted March 3, 2007 Is there a big difference in output between the 48DX and the 20DX? Cor day and night according to the tests Ryan did http://www.reefphoto.com/tt/index.php?acti...56e7b6871adf900 But you pay for that difference in price and battery life... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted March 3, 2007 Thank you so much for the pix pakman. I've seen on Reefphoto that they're is a handle grip inside withe the 48 ... but i haven't seen it on the fisheye website .. they only mention it infor the 20DX: http://www.fisheye-jp.com/english/fixlight...x/img/handy.jpg Do you have one? I don't understand your answer at the question of Cor: "Day and night ... but you pay that difference in price and battery Life" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) Skinch, If you follow the link to the test report from Ryan at Reefphoto, you can see the difference in output between the two Fisheye focus lights. Sorry, it's an American saying... the difference is so big that it is like the difference between day and night... Not sure how you say that in French.. But HG20DX is a lot more expensive and you need to recharge it more frequently whereas the LED48DX works forever on 8 AA batteries. The HG20DX uses a proprietary LiOn rechargeable battery pack which are expensive to replace (or buy a backup) and do not last as long between recharge. From Ryan's test. LED 48DX HG20DX significant difference in output... The LED48DX comes with a handle that screws into (where that housing arm connector goes). I hope that helps Edited March 3, 2007 by pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nunomix 0 Posted March 3, 2007 Skinch, If you follow the link to the test report from Ryan at Reefphoto, you can see the difference in output between the two Fisheye focus lights. Sorry, it's an American saying... the difference is so big that it is like the difference between day and night... Not sure how you say that in French.. But HG20DX is a lot more expensive and you need to recharge it more frequently whereas the LED48DX works forever on 8 AA batteries. The HG20DX uses a proprietary LiOn rechargeable battery pack which are expensive to replace (or buy a backup) and do not last as long between recharge. From Ryan's test. LED 48DX HG20DX significant difference in output... The LED48DX comes with a handle that screws into (where that housing arm connector goes). I hope that helps Interesting thread. Can I conclude from these two pictures that the 20DX has a much wider light beam? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cor 0 Posted March 3, 2007 I have the 20DX, I like it, although ive had a lot of troubles with the batteries and chargers. They had a faulty production run of those. It's got an extremely wide beam, very bright, but you can dim the light to almost nothing. Any focus light I ever buy will have a hard time comparing to this one. I flooded one once, and it survived Still use it today. Cor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) actually the LED pic is a bit deceiving... It does have a bit of a hot spot (and that is what is really showing in Ryan's test shot). The overall beam is pretty wide BUT as you can see from the test, the output is, uh how do I put it..., day and night... Edited March 3, 2007 by pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinch 0 Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) Actually .. Day and night is also a french expression "c'est le jour et la nuit" and it means ... the same as in english ... but i wasn't sure I'm actually a bit desapointed by the output of the 48 on the test ... is the difference so big between the 2 lights?? It looks like the 48 doesn't light much ... I was choosing the 48 for many reason: - Price - Led ... means natural light, low power consumtion, no battery autonomy loss with time - The diffuser give a wider beam But if the output is so "light" i might reconsider my position ... hum ... Packman i don't know if it is to much to ask (again ... what a pain in the a** this french guy ... lol) , but can you make a picture of what the outpout the light give in the a room with a little shadow ... I don't know if i make myself understand right .... Edited March 3, 2007 by skinch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnon_Ayal 1 Posted March 3, 2007 Actually .. Day and night is also a french expression "c'est le jour et la nuit" and it means ... the same as in english ... but i wasn't sure I'm actually a bit desapointed by the output of the 48 on the test ... is the difference so big between the 2 lights?? It looks like the 48 doesn't light much ... I was choosing the 48 for many reason: - Price - Led ... means natural light, low power consumtion, no battery autonomy loss with time - The diffuser give a wider beam But if the output is so "light" i might reconsider my position ... hum ... Packman i don't know if it is to much to ask (again ... what a pain in the a** this french guy ... lol) , but can you make a picture of what the outpout the light give in the a room with a little shadow ... I don't know if i make myself understand right .... Another advance of the Led light is that many diver reports that the led light is less disturbing the sea creatures as the 'traditional' lights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakman 0 Posted March 5, 2007 But if the output is so "light" i might reconsider my position ... hum ... Packman i don't know if it is to much to ask (again ... what a pain in the a** this french guy ... lol) , but can you make a picture of what the outpout the light give in the a room with a little shadow ... I don't know if i make myself understand right .... you mean show the light in a room that is NOT completely dark? To be honest, not sure what that's going to show you. It's really going to look similiar to that sample from Ryan's test which was done with some ambient llight. In his test setup, the light is 30 inches away from the wall and the bottom part of the ruler is about 24" long. I think this gives you an idea of what kind of beam the LED48Dx creates. If you are trying to do slow shutter/ low light ambient wide angle u/w shots with this focus light on, for instance on a wreck, I think it's going to cause a bit of a hot spot in your photo. You could try using the diffuser which is sold separately (as shown in Ryan's test). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
