25 new DSLRs

[onokai 18]

While I love my Subal housings, I would be the first to admit that my Subal D2X does not have the attention to detail of a Subal F5 housing. It was also a damn sight more expensive. Of course it works and the ergonomics are perfectly acceptable, but I miss those good ol' days!

 

Alex

 

Alex those days are still here I still love my two subal F5 housings and use them both. Yet to see a comparable viewfinder as well. Mark

 

[John Bantin 101]

I have more than 500,000 underwater pictures in my library. Some were taken more than twenty years ago (with what is today VERY obsolete equipment).

When I come to look for a picture, it's the content that matters. No-one rejects a picture because of what it was shot with. If my Nikonos RS had not flooded and I could get film processed easily, I bet I'd still be using it.

 

We live in a consumer society. My house has some new furniture that has already lost most of its value; some older furniture that is good for firewood; and some very old furniture that has become very valuable indeed.

I have two cars in my drive. One is 12 years old and one is almost new. Both are equally good for doing journeys in! The older car has so little residual value, it was not worth selling.

 

I have a fantastic tool kit. What a pity I don't have the skills for good quality joinery!

 

If you want good photographs - get a good photographer!

[Paul Kay 62]

Leica have just announced this:

 

"Leica M8. With the introduction of a perpetual upgrade program, every LEICA M8 is a high-quality digital camera, in which today’s and tomorrow’s users will always be able to incorporate the latest refinements and developments in handling ease and technology."

 

The idea being that current cameras will be upgradable and modifiable to incorporate later advances in the same body - and they apparently might even include sensor/format changes (well as usual this is sketchy but not ruled out). OK, its expensive but I have to say that familiarity helps with ergonomics and whilst ergonomics might always be improvable I'd be more than satisfied if Canon had gone down the same route and retained the 1D body shape and simply upgraded the innards - even offering this as a service.

 

So to answer your question Alex, no we don't need housings for loads of new cameras what we need is a reality check by more camera manufacturers who need to realise that constant modifications might be a marketing tool but may well be becoming a little more unattractive to consumers (my opinion anyway).

 

I'm intrigued that many wetpixelers are vociferous about taking care on reefs but are apparently satisfied to upgrade for nuances of capability without considering that old equipment eventually dies and joins the vast quantities of scrap which are an environmental issue themselves.

[John Bantin 101]

I'm intrigued that many wetpixelers are vociferous about taking care on reefs but are apparently satisfied to upgrade for nuances of capability without considering that old equipment eventually dies and joins the vast quantities of scrap which are an environmental issue themselves.

 

Paul,

Are you saying my basement is an environmental issue?

JB

[craig 0]

Buying a Leica makes me more of an environmentalist?

[Paul Kay 62]

OK Craig I was just stirring it....... John's basement sounds a little iffy though.

 

My more serious point is that the continual new model scenario is simply not sustainable - I wonder if its worth starting a thread on who feels constrained (really constrained) by their current equipment. As far as I can see, a real move forward for underwater photographers with genuine visible improvements will only occur when ports are redesigned (non-concentric domes perhaps) or thinned (silicate glass?) or whatever - optics are now the constraining factor. I'm dubious that a new camera model will really do anything other than provide a nuance of difference

[John Bantin 101]

OK Craig I was just stirring it....... John's basement sounds a little iffy though.

 

My more serious point is that the continual new model scenario is simply not sustainable - I wonder if its worth starting a thread on who feels constrained (really constrained) by their current equipment. As far as I can see, a real move forward for underwater photographers with genuine visible improvements will only occur when ports are redesigned (non-concentric domes perhaps) or thinned (silicate glass?) or whatever - optics are now the constraining factor. I'm dubious that a new camera model will really do anything other than provide a nuance of difference

 

 

But the manufactures (of everything) are in the business of selling kit. They encourage us by introducing new models. If we stop buying and continue to use what we've got , there will be a recession. OOPS!

[MikeVeitch 0]

O- I wonder if its worth starting a thread on who feels constrained (really constrained) by their current equipment.

 

 

That would be me..

 

I had to borrow someone's D80 to shoot a cover a while ago..

 

And i might or might not have gotten a recent sale for a large scale print, I say may because D70 file not so good when going to the size it was needed for...

 

I do take donations though if anyone is interested..

 

[tjgreen 0]

John, you're making a dangerous amount of sense, gonna have to ask you to tone it down. It always comes down to the craftsman; there were guys working 400 years ago doing better joinery with hand tools than I do with my power tools (and I hate them for it).

 

For the record, my car is 10 years old, and has the one feature I really want - it's paid for. My D80 is only a year old, but since it's paid for too, I'm planning to keep shooting it until one of us dies (hopefully not me).

[herbko 0]

My more serious point is that the continual new model scenario is simply not sustainable - I wonder if its worth starting a thread on who feels constrained (really constrained) by their current equipment. As far as I can see, a real move forward for underwater photographers with genuine visible improvements will only occur when ports are redesigned (non-concentric domes perhaps) or thinned (silicate glass?) or whatever - optics are now the constraining factor. I'm dubious that a new camera model will really do anything other than provide a nuance of difference

 

The reality is that underwater is a very small fraction of the DSLR market. The rest of the camera buying public wants the latest and greatest technology when they shop for a camera and don't care much about minor differences in body shape and control locations. The camera makers will probably continue to replace their products with new models every couple of years driven by competition if nothing else.

 

The problem this creates for underwater photography is that a 2 year product cycle leaves no time to refine housing designs. Since I'm new at this and never owned a refined film housing, I don't know what I've been missing, but I can't imagine this is a big impediment to photography.

 

We can choose to get off the upgrade cycle any time. I'm with Steve. I'm don't plan to replace my 3 years old Canon 5D in the foreseeable future.

[craig 0]

Herb said it. The market forces that drive dSLR models have nothing to do with underwater use. Underwater manufacturers have to do the best they can with existing market conditions, and those who do will enjoy the best success. The current trend in dSLR development IS sustainable for a while even if it doesn't benefit us as underwater photographers. It would be great if camera manufacturers valued the same things we did but so far they don't.

 

We don't have to be slaves to each and every model upgrade but housing manufacturers kind of have to play along. I don't feel the steady flood of new models is ultimately a negative for them. It's an opportunity, not a curse. Obviously, the ones with the tools to respond quickly are in the best position while the ones with lengthy development cycles may be forced to adapt or lose out.

 

Sadly, there are some good manufacturers that will probably not get the support they merit, whether it's Sony or Leica or Hassy or whoever, but at least we have a choice of compelling manufacturers, lens lines, and housing systems that are outstanding.

[tjgreen 0]

Sadly, there are some good manufacturers that will probably not get the support they merit, whether it's Sony or Leica or Hassy or whoever

 

Craig, did you just implicitly recommend MF underwater?

[craig 0]

Haha, I'd be perfectly happy to see great support for all manufacturers.

[John Bantin 101]

I am a little concerned that Alex confesses to loving a chunk of metal (Subal). I would say I love my wife and my children. Alex - you gotta get out more!

[tdpriest 115]

There's always something else...

 

... I'm not convinced by the full-frame sensor (heresy), but I am sure that I want better low-light capability than my D200 offers. I'd go for a D300, but only if my housing can be tweaked: I AM a consulting-type doctor, but I can't afford a new housing every year.

 

If camera design is going to be incremental, with fewer major revisions, then could the housing manufacturers build in some flexibility, with user-changable components that could adapt to two or three similar cameras? It's pretty clear looking at the housings that the differences between one model and another are often pretty small.

 

I am appalled that Anthis Nexus have moved away from the Master port design for the D300 housing. I certainly won't be upgrading as I have a substantial investment in the old port design.

 

Perhaps I should have bankrupted myself with a D2X and given up, but then I'd want the D3X for it's low-light performance...

 

... maybe housings and cameras should be passed down the food chain, like classic cars: Alex or John can have the new model for a year, then it passes to a keen amateur, then to a newbie, and so on...

 

Tim

 

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