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Sigh....

 

I have my D300, I love it, amazing piece... I love the 12.3 sensor but I use the thing in manual, really don't use the banks

 

D90 for almost half the price same sensor (right???) Housing will be less than a D300 housing... how could anybody go wrong with one of these....

 

Isn't it wonderful to be in the world of digital. the raw images are amazing....

 

Life is beautiful

 

Stuart

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Where did you see the pricing Stuart ?

 

Looking at the specs it seems to be able to exposure bracket up to 2EV, and is not limited to 1EV as the D300 is.

 

This is of interest to anyone shooting HDR image sets where the 1EV limit is annoying.

 

Interesting that rumours of a D3x or s announcement or whatever have not come through (yet).

 

Paul C

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Sigh....

 

Isn't it wonderful to be in the world of digital...

 

Stuart

 

 

Oh great, now we have a whole new set of problems! Whether we use strobes or videos lights? ;)

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Where did you see the pricing Stuart ?

 

Looking at the specs it seems to be able to exposure bracket up to 2EV, and is not limited to 1EV as the D300 is.

 

This is of interest to anyone shooting HDR image sets where the 1EV limit is annoying.

 

Interesting that rumours of a D3x or s announcement or whatever have not come through (yet).

 

Paul C

USA price at Ritz is$1299

Yes the 1EV limit on the other cameras is a pain, probably something that can be fixed in a firmware upgrade. (I hope)

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Oh great, now we have a whole new set of problems! Whether we use strobes or videos lights? ;)

 

Sweeet! Now who is going to be the first to mod. their D80 housing?

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I find it very interesting that it is Nikon that has released the first DSLR with video capability; I was sure this would be Canon's thing. A couple of months ago I had a discussion with the Canon rep for the Southeastern US about where manufacturers where going with cameras now that digital quality had achieved or surpassed film quality by just about every measure, and his response was that a big new feature would be high quality video capture utilizing large sensors and ultimately RAW image capture, along the lines of the RED camera. Think about the possibilities of being able to choose exactly the right frame ultimately in a camera the size of the D90. I think this is about to be the hot new thing as the one-upmanship of Canon and Nikon continues, now that the MP playing field is leveling off.

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I find it very interesting that it is Nikon that has released the first DSLR with video capability; I was sure this would be Canon's thing. A couple of months ago I had a discussion with the Canon rep for the Southeastern US about where manufacturers where going with cameras now that digital quality had achieved or surpassed film quality by just about every measure, and his response was that a big new feature would be high quality video capture utilizing large sensors and ultimately RAW image capture, along the lines of the RED camera. Think about the possibilities of being able to choose exactly the right frame ultimately in a camera the size of the D90. I think this is about to be the hot new thing as the one-upmanship of Canon and Nikon continues, now that the MP thing playing field is evening out.

 

I was talking about this with my brother-in-law Chris just the other day -- who will be the first to add HD movie capability to a DSLR? I was betting on either Sony or Oly, but Nikon would have been my last pick since they are generally pretty conservative. I'll bet a lot of marketing guys for the "other manufacturers" are on the phone to R&D this morning! Chris took a bunch of Manta night dive video with his Fuji F30 on our last outing and it is really quite good at 640x480 30fps. Having a DSLR with video is just a huge benefit. The D90 should very quickly become the amateur U/W camera of choice with these features. I know the movie mode and in-camera VR sealed the deal for me. DX instead of FX? No big deal, I have a bunch of DX-only lenses anyway.

 

JP

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I wonder if this will be a feature of their rumored 24MP FF camera; and maybe Sony's as well.

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Has anyone seen one yet? Have it in their hands?

 

Truly wondering if it will fit into the D80 housing? Perhaps with a different housing back?

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Since the movie mode won't allow auto-focus, will the housing manufacturers start making ports with a manual focus knob again? It would actually be pretty cool to take video and manually zoom and focus. With two Ds-125's (or D200's whatever), I would just take off the diffusers and turn on both modeling lights for video! Those suckers are pretty darn bright without the diffusers. The mind boggles at the possibilities.

 

One other benefit from the D90; although I do have an above-water 18-200VR lens, I just bought a Nikon 70-300 without VR for that occasional far-off wildlife encounter. Glad I didn't spend $500 more for the VR version!

 

JP

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For all of you who complain about all the photoshop work, you haven't seen anything until you've tried to cope with editing underwater video. You'll need a vacation from your vacation. Seriously...

 

Video lighting is a bear. The strongest focus lights we have are toys compared to what videographers need. Plan on getting much more friendly with your magic filters (not that that's a bad thing).

 

Finally, you'll like your 10-17 much less with video than you do with still, but the 12-24's and 10-22's still work poorly at large apertures. Wide is important with video.

 

I don't think the HD video guys are too concerned just yet. I think the likely result of HD video on a DSLR underwater will be a renewed appreciation for just how difficult it is to do UW video well. ;-)

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For all of you who complain about all the photoshop work, you haven't seen anything until you've tried to cope with editing underwater video. You'll need a vacation from your vacation. Seriously...

 

Video lighting is a bear. The strongest focus lights we have are toys compared to what videographers need. Plan on getting much more friendly with your magic filters (not that that's a bad thing).

 

Finally, you'll like your 10-17 much less with video than you do with still, but the 12-24's and 10-22's still work poorly at large apertures. Wide is important with video.

 

I don't think the HD video guys are too concerned just yet. I think the likely result of HD video on a DSLR underwater will be a renewed appreciation for just how difficult it is to do UW video well. ;-)

Craig,

For me the exciting thing is not so much being able to do video, if I really want to do that I will use a video camera. (Unless I come across something special and unexpected underwater). I think what may be ultimately more interesting for the still shooter will be the ability to choose exactly the frame you want in an action sequence. I do not know to what degree, if any, the D90 will provide this flexibility, but I think that's where it's headed. Another possibility will be expanded HDR abilities.

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One other benefit from the D90; although I do have an above-water 18-200VR lens, I just bought a Nikon 70-300 without VR for that occasional far-off wildlife encounter. Glad I didn't spend $500 more for the VR version!

 

 

I have the 18-200VR lens as well. Its probably obvious to others but what is wrong with a VR lens with the D90?

 

Dave

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Removed now that we've established D90 doesn't have VR built into the body.

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It will be interesting to see how the current VR lenses work on the D90. You probably don't want both systems active. I'm sure they will be a software switch to turn in-camera VR off. Non-VR may not work quite as well as a lens with it built in since they are probably accomplishing it through software rather than by using a combination of mechanical gyros and software in the lens.

 

I really love the 18-200mm VR for above-water. I can hand-hold a 1/8 second shot at dusk with that lens fully out at 200mm and it will actually look pretty darn good!

 

The worst part about the D90 is we'll probably be sitting here speculating about how good or bad it is for at least 3-5 more months ;)

 

JP

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There is nothing wrong with the 18-200VR on the D90. This was referring to the fact that the D90 has VR built into the body, so now the cheap 70-300 non VR lense becomes like a VR lense.

 

Will be interesting to see how the current VR lenses work on the D90. You probably don't want both systems active. One will probably be automatically shut off.

 

...where did you see VR was built into the D90 body? ....I must have missed that

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...where did you see VR was built into the D90 body? ....I must have missed that

 

8-28-08 EDIT/UPDATE: I was WRONG about the VR! Yes, with VR lenses you have it, but NO, it isn't built in!

 

VR is indeed built in, but I see the kit lens you get at $1299 is ALSO a VR lens, so apparently you can have VR both places. Personally I'd buy the body alone for $999, though.

 

I'm impressed with the camera, very. VERY IMPRESSED. I wish it used CF cards though... to share with D200 etc, and because the throughput is faster. And really, I'm kinda hard pressed to say what about the D200 would warrant the extra size and weight if I had both!

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VR is indeed built in, but I see the kit lens you get at $1299 is ALSO a VR lens, so apparently you can have VR both places. Personally I'd buy the body alone for $999, though.

 

I'm impressed with the camera, very. VERY IMPRESSED. I wish it used CF cards though... to share with D200 etc, and because the throughput is faster. And really, I'm kinda hard pressed to say what about the D200 would warrant the extra size and weight if I had both!

 

Excuse me for being dense, but I am apparently not understanding or seeing what you are saying....do a search on VR or vibration in the first link in the first post above from the Nikon press release. It matches 4 and 2 times respectively. I don't read any of those as saying VR is built into the body. It talks about being the d90 able to sense when VR is turned on from the lens in liveview, etc. I am not aware of any Nikon DSLR body having VR built in - only lenses, so I would have thought that they would be bragging about it big time if they included it in the D90. Just want to be sure before I plunk down a grand....

 

thx

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Excuse me for being dense, but I am apparently not understanding or seeing what you are saying....do a search on VR or vibration in the first link in the first post above from the Nikon press release. It matches 4 and 2 times respectively. I don't read any of those as saying VR is built into the body. It talks about being the d90 able to sense when VR is turned on from the lens in liveview, etc. I am not aware of any Nikon DSLR body having VR built in - only lenses, so I would have thought that they would be bragging about it big time if they included it in the D90. Just want to be sure before I plunk down a grand....

 

thx

 

Hmmm... I could swear I saw on Nikon's page something about VR being built in, but I can't find anything now, so I guess not. While I was looking around, I found this page with some demos from D-Movie mode and it looks very cool.

 

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/...en/d-movie/#top

 

JP

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Hi

 

Will the new D90 be able to make better pictures than the D80 , and why ??? ;)

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Hi

 

Will the new D90 be able to make better pictures than the D80 , and why ??? ;)

 

The gimmicks are irrelevant.

 

The D90 will have better IQ because it has the D300 sensor + an additional year of development on the noise front. Much as the D300 takes better high ISO pictures than the D200 the D90 will take better high ISO than the D80.

 

At base ISO however there will likely be much less difference.

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Hi

 

Will the new D90 be able to make better pictures than the D80 , and why ??? ;)

 

The answer to this depends on many other factors.

 

Theoretically, the slightly higher resolution can lead to sharper images, the capture of more detail.

BUT, only if your lens + port + shooting technique are sharp enough to deliver that tiny bit of extra resolution. If they're not, forget the D90.

As an avid D80 shooter i see nothing too exciting in the bag, neither did i expect it. The D80 is a great camera already.

 

Let's see...is there anything interesting for the underwater shooter, making a D80 to D90 upgrade worthwhile?

 

1) 12mp vs 10mp, possibly sharper results, IF lens, port, shooting technique are up to it.

 

2) higher density of the photosites means more diffraction issues at small apertures (f13 upwards maybe) - needs to be tested

 

3) 3 inch lcd vs 2.5 inch...do you need 3inch to check your histograms and sharpness? Of course not! You still need to zoom in for a sharpness check.

 

4) video mode....nice gimmick, but not needed, and you will certainly not be able to deliver high quality uw videos without proper light, and focusing/modeling lichts from our strobes are NOT enough, as pointed out in an earlier post

 

5) taking a video frame as a still: makes no sense to me, the video is a crappy jpeg in 1280x720 resolution, probably without the possibility of proper exposure control.

 

6) base iso of 200: certainly a pain in the ass for sunbursts, we need to close the aperture one stop, the flash(es) have to deliver double the light. of course you can use the iso100 mode, but the sensor is delivering best performance at iso200, so there will be some quality loss here.

 

7) 12bit NEF unchanged....14bit would have been a welcome addition here

 

8) noise: from all i've seen the d300 is no improvement over the d80/d200. just that the in-cam noise reduction is blurring the image a bit more aggressively.

 

9) ergonomy: nothing changed here worth mentioning, the d80 is already superb in this aspect. I know because i shoot exclusively while freediving, so size, weight, image quality and ergonomy are THE reasons i bought the d80.

 

10) live view: not at all important for serious uw use. the focusing speed is slow, only by using the viewfinder will you fully exploit the abilities of the cam's AF system.

 

11) AF system: no real change here, 11AF points unchanged, the d80 already has a fantastic AF system; it's tracking moving objects across the frame without any problems (i've had great fun with this while shooting air shows).

 

 

Here's what i expected for the upgrade:

 

1)12mp CMOS, of course the d300 sensor jammed into a smaller body

 

2)14bit NEF... this would prolly be a more noticeable increase in image quality, specially when looking at those smoooth gradients of background water, and sunbursts.

 

3)more speed! something like 6-7shots/second....the 3.5 to 4.5 is a very modest increase

 

4)more buffer! i pack 7NEF-bursts into the buffer (using a sandisk extremeIII), no change here

 

5)Live view...i don't need it, but people expect it so what the hell

 

6) MOST important: fix the screwy matrix metering of the d80. It's overexposing, it's unpredictable, it's unable to deal with fisheyes. I use center-weighted average and spot uw, both work and are very predictable. Right now we have no idea whether the metering issue has been fixed in the D90. I have my doubts though...

 

7) regarding ergonomy: a faster way to set a custom wb. like assigning a button or a combination of 2 buttons to this function.

 

All in all, the D90 is a very attractive cam, for people who are still shooting compacts, or older dslr's in the 6-8mp range.

As a freediver I'm really glad to see that NIKON is staying commited to building highly capable cameras using state-of-the art sensors from their higher-end lineup, but in smaller, yet ergonomic bodies. The D80 is a dream to use, I love it, and it's great to see the family growing!

I don't think the D90 or even the D300 are worth the upgrade from a D80 though. The next logical step is the D700/D3/D3x. Only makes sense if you shoot a lot, and anyway the best upgrade you can ever get is better composition and shooting style, which of course cannot be bought in a shop.

So...if you have a D80, don't bother with the D90, get wet and really work your 80!

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