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Agree, mostly - bar a couple of minor picks.

 

3) 3 inch lcd vs 2.5 inch...do you need 3inch to check your histograms and sharpness? Of course not! You still need to zoom in for a sharpness check.

 

If you had 3" for a while there is no way back - I had to pick up a D70 the other week and the screen is dire compared to any on a 'modern' camera.

 

The resolution of the 'new' screen is such that when you do zoom in you can assess sharpness a lot easier. The ergonomics of zooming in are also improved.

 

 

8) noise: from all i've seen the d300 is no improvement over the d80/d200. just that the in-cam noise reduction is blurring the image a bit more aggressively.

 

To be honest I beg to disagree - I have found my new D300 is noticeably better than my older D200 in the noise department (finally now up to Canon standard!).

 

Maybe I just don't notice the blurring?

 

Whatever I am now taking ambient light shots that I would not have pulled off with the D200 - even with a lot of post processing work.

 

Having said that - this could now be a great time to pick up a D80 at reduced cost.

 

Paul C

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VR is indeed built in, but I see the kit lens you get at $1299 is ALSO a VR lens, so apparently you can have VR both places. Personally I'd buy the body alone for $999, though.

 

I'm impressed with the camera, very. VERY IMPRESSED. I wish it used CF cards though... to share with D200 etc, and because the throughput is faster. And really, I'm kinda hard pressed to say what about the D200 would warrant the extra size and weight if I had both!

 

If the D90 has VR, Nikon is keeping it a secret. Please check out an offical release at nikonusa.com. I read some of the previous links. They said something to the effect that you will have VR with the D90 coupled with a VR lens.

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If the D90 has VR, Nikon is keeping it a secret. Please check out an offical release at nikonusa.com. I read some of the previous links. They said something to the effect that you will have VR with the D90 coupled with a VR lens.

 

You are correct, I was wrong, and I updated my post to show that. Oh well.

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I have found my new D300 is noticeably better than my older D200 in the noise department (finally now up to Canon standard!).

 

Maybe I just don't notice the blurring?

 

Paul C

 

This is certainly open for discussion. To really convince me, we'd have to compare D300/200/80 NEF files. Dpreview's data, based on jpeg taken with noise reduction ON, clearly shows that these cams are all but identical up to ISO800. This is luminance noise, which is more prominent compared to chroma in the nikons. I can confirm that a properly exposed d80 iso800 shot is absolutely acceptable. Can the D90/D300 raise the bar to ISO1600? Does this justify an upgrade from the D80? I'm a little touchy on this subject, because there are too many people that are all about gear, wanting to upgrade a d80 to d90, a d200 to d300, when in fact it is always the better composition that really makes the difference. Heck, unless the new cam is a huge leap foward, i couldn't care less. If one really wants considerably low noise, the d80/d200 to d90/d300 upgrade is not the way IMO. If one owns any current nikon/canon 10-12mp cropped sensor cam and wants less noise, the fx cameras are the way to go.

 

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This is certainly open for discussion. To really convince me, we'd have to compare D300/200/80 NEF files. Dpreview's data, based on jpeg taken with noise reduction ON, clearly shows that these cams are all but identical up to ISO800. This is luminance noise, which is more prominent compared to chroma in the nikons. I can confirm that a properly exposed d80 iso800 shot is absolutely acceptable. Can the D90/D300 raise the bar to ISO1600? Does this justify an upgrade from the D80? I'm a little touchy on this subject, because there are too many people that are all about gear, wanting to upgrade a d80 to d90, a d200 to d300, when in fact it is always the better composition that really makes the difference. Heck, unless the new cam is a huge leap foward, i couldn't care less. If one really wants considerably low noise, the d80/d200 to d90/d300 upgrade is not the way IMO. If one owns any current nikon/canon 10-12mp cropped sensor cam and wants less noise, the fx cameras are the way to go.

 

Phil

Discussions about composition, photographer ability etc are obvious, but I think in this thread this is completely beside the point. I own a D200 and would love it if I could not see significant differences between the D200 and D300, but that's simply not true. Probably the most important difference I have noticed for underwater photography is the improved ability of the D300 to handle sunballs. Noise, resolution etc are probably not significantly different at low ISO and average magnification, particularly on a monitor. On the other hand dynamic range and the improved highlight handling are visible at any ISO and any magnification and alone are worth the upgrade. Assuming the differences between the D90 and D80 are similar in this regard, I think the same would apply.

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2) higher density of the photosites means more diffraction issues at small apertures (f13 upwards maybe) - needs to be tested

Higher photosite density NEVER means more diffraction issues. Diffraction is a function of f-stop only. Diffraction limits the full benefit of higher photosite density but more resolution is never a disadvantage, it is only sometimes less of an advantage than it seems.

 

6) base iso of 200: certainly a pain in the ass for sunbursts, we need to close the aperture one stop, the flash(es) have to deliver double the light. of course you can use the iso100 mode, but the sensor is delivering best performance at iso200, so there will be some quality loss here.

Flash output must balance ambient light, not camera ISO. For ISO 200, flash doesn't have to deliver double the light, it has to deliver it twice as fast (assuming you are bumping up against strobe sync limits). Yes, ISO 200 base is a step backward here, but the D90 will still do ISO 100. I've seen some pretty positive comments on the D300 with sunbursts so I suspect the D90 will do fine.

 

8) noise: from all i've seen the d300 is no improvement over the d80/d200. just that the in-cam noise reduction is blurring the image a bit more aggressively.

You are making this judgement without looking at RAW? Nikon isn't applying in-camera noise reduction on raw files.

 

Dpreview makes special mention that the D300 improves noise performance over the D200 in the conclusions of it's D300 review. Nikon made three major improvements to IQ with the D300: (1) improved sensitivity through microlens design resulting in a higher base ISO, (2) increased resolution, and (3) substantially improved noise performance. I find it interesting that these improvements are all discounted here.

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To really convince me, we'd have to compare D300/200/80 NEF files.

 

I'm waiting to see some D80 vs D90 raw files, underwater, same scene, same lens, same ports. Until we see those, all is speculation.

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Well you will probably have to wait forever then before your next upgrade, because I've not seen too many underwater camera comparisons (except test charts) done this way. (Actually can't think of one)

Folks like myself look at images we see on this website and others and draw our own, somewhat unscientific, but I think well considered opinions.

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Dpreview makes special mention that the D300 improves noise performance over the D200 in the conclusions of it's D300 review. Nikon made three major improvements to IQ with the D300: (1) improved sensitivity through microlens design resulting in a higher base ISO, (2) increased resolution, and (3) substantially improved noise performance. I find it interesting that these improvements are all discounted here.

Craig, is it accurate to say that all 3 of these improvements are incorporated in the D90? Or is it more complicated than yes/no?

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Craig, is it accurate to say that all 3 of these improvements are incorporated in the D90? Or is it more complicated than yes/no?

I'd say it's safe to say so. If it's not so, we'd have to wonder what happened. ;)

 

I'm waiting to see some D80 vs D90 raw files, underwater, same scene, same lens, same ports. Until we see those, all is speculation.

But it's informed speculation. We know a lot about the D90 because we already have the D300.

 

When do we ever see testing that rigorous?

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I'd say it's safe to say so. If it's not so, we'd have to wonder what happened. ;)

 

Well, then I'd say it's safe to say that for $1000 retail for the body, the D90 is a very good deal for a lot of people. About 2 years ago my decision was between the D200 and the D80, and I went D200, no regrets. If I were looking at D90 vs. D300, starting from nothing, I would probably opt for the D90, spend the difference on lenses, and probably not regret it.

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I believe the D90 still uses 12bit processing, not 14 bit.

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Has anyone seen one yet? Have it in their hands?

 

Truly wondering if it will fit into the D80 housing? Perhaps with a different housing back?

 

SS18,

 

The tech. specs. dimensions from the nikonusa site are the same for the D90 & D80:

 

D90 D80

in. mm in. mm

Width 5.2 132 5.2 132

Height 4.1 103 4.1 103

Depth 3 77 3 77

LCD dia. 3 2.5

 

It seems reasonable to assume that Nikon would use the same camera body. Let's hope that manufacturers will let us buy the D90 backs at a reasonable cost. One housing front, two backs, a D90, and a D80 for backup may not be too expensive of an up-grade.

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I did a quick overlay of the D80 and the D90 in PS.

 

Most of the buttons and dials are in exactely the same position. The only mayor difference is the selector and that is a real tricky one to mod.

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I did a quick overlay of the D80 and the D90 in PS.

 

Most of the buttons and dials are in exactely the same position. The only mayor difference is the selector and that is a real tricky one to mod.

 

Nice! ;)

 

Yes, the (multi) selector and the Focus selector lock. I leave the focus selector unlock, but I do use the selector a lot. Looks like a new back is required.

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Well, then I'd say it's safe to say that for $1000 retail for the body, the D90 is a very good deal for a lot of people. About 2 years ago my decision was between the D200 and the D80, and I went D200, no regrets. If I were looking at D90 vs. D300, starting from nothing, I would probably opt for the D90, spend the difference on lenses, and probably not regret it.

 

I've seen a lot of discussion about D80 and D90 comparisons, but not a lot on D300 vs. D90. I have a D70 that is getting long in the tooth and am about to upgrade in contemplation of UW digital. I've been a Nikonos user for 30+ years but the gradual disappearance of labs plus the benefits of digital are pushing me to make the jump.

 

So: Which one? My initial take is that the $700 price differential buys a lot of lenses (or helps defray the substantial housing cost). Are there reasons I should spend the money on a D300 anyway?

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Are there reasons I should spend the money on a D300 anyway?

I'll take a shot:

  1. 14 bit versus 12 bit
  2. Uncompressed RAW and Lossless compressed RAW versus compressed RAW only
  3. Compact Flash versus SD card
  4. Better autofocus section
  5. Nikon CLS commander mode

Of course, there's a frame rate advantage but that's questionable for UW shooting.

 

Of those, only autofocus would be a clear differentiator. CLS would only be useful of UW strobes turned out to support CLS effectively. The RAW differences are measurable but small factors. SD is more than adequate for the task but CF may be faster (particularly in loading images after the dive).

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For my two cents, if I were just buying an SLR (as I did in April), and there were a suitable housing for it, I would get this over the D300. Being able to house High Def Video with an SLR is just too sweet a deal. I love my D300. I really do. But I don't think I'll ever NEED the D300, whereas I definitely miss the flexibility of taking video when there is something that is just so cool to include with motion....

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For my two cents, if I were just buying an SLR (as I did in April), and there were a suitable housing for it, I would get this over the D300. Being able to house High Def Video with an SLR is just too sweet a deal. I love my D300. I really do. But I don't think I'll ever NEED the D300, whereas I definitely miss the flexibility of taking video when there is something that is just so cool to include with motion....

 

From my understanding, the D90 video does not autofocus, you must focus entirely by hand.

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Had a play with D90 today. Nice little camera.

 

Alex

Did you play with the video?

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Had a play with D90 today. Nice little camera

 

Me to yesterday, I was invited along with a few other for dinner with the folks at Nikon Canada, I was impressed by that camera video, low light performance and all that at this price tag :) .

 

Interesting direction the industry is taking, it seem to be heading into the grab a frame from the HD sequence phylosophy that me and some buddies where predicting a while ago.

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Ok thats it i cant stand it anymore.... tomorrow im going to the camera store and asking to put thier d90 into my d80 housing... ill get back to everyone after that... i have an ikelite by the by. Thats ingeresting that everyone is saying how much they use the selector switch... underwater i almost never do.... the dials provide all the changes in ISO, shutter and aperture i need... along with pretty much anything else actually... why the use of the selector switch??

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