Molykote 1292

[diver dave1 23]

As I accumulate equipment, along come the different greases. I have read various threads about grease and various O-Rings.

Looking for ONE lubricant that works for all.

Does DowCorning Molykote 1292 work for all?

Its a fluorosilicone grease.

 

I want to use it on Inon Z-240 and Canon OEM housing O-rings.

[bvanant 190]

As I accumulate equipment, along come the different greases. I have read various threads about grease and various O-Rings.

Looking for ONE lubricant that works for all.

Does DowCorning Molykote 1292 work for all?

Its a fluorosilicone grease.

 

I want to use it on Inon Z-240 and Canon OEM housing O-rings.

While fluorosilicone greases are usually quite good, I would be very wary of the 1292. 1292 is thickened with a polyurea and without knowing the exact details, I would be very careful of this one. If you want to use a dow material I would go with the 111 or 112.

Bill

[fdog 3]

I'd be curious how you eluted the polyurea. When I was flailing through lube selection I researched 1292 and didn't see that reference (always looking for ways to be better at figuring out stuff, neh?).

 

Thanks!

 

All the best, James

 

PS: FWIW, I have seen great results with my trial of Christolube with silicone o-rings, and it is great with Buna and Viton, too. I'm starting another 2 month trial with a possible replacement for Christolube, Tribolube 71, which appears to have tighter manufacturing tolerances, but is otherwise identical. Cheaper, too.

[bvanant 190]

I'd be curious how you eluted the polyurea. When I was flailing through lube selection I researched 1292 and didn't see that reference (always looking for ways to be better at figuring out stuff, neh?).

 

Thanks!

 

All the best, James

 

PS: FWIW, I have seen great results with my trial of Christolube with silicone o-rings, and it is great with Buna and Viton, too. I'm starting another 2 month trial with a possible replacement for Christolube, Tribolube 71, which appears to have tighter manufacturing tolerances, but is otherwise identical. Cheaper, too.

We were looking at silicones in our lab and had a bunch of them that we looked at by FTIR and some chemical analysis. For the 1292, the official documents we had said fluorosilicone lube with organic thickener. From Dow in England we get Description

Fluorosilicone grease with polyurea thickener. Voila.

Bill

[diver dave1 23]

PS: FWIW, I have seen great results with my trial of Christolube with silicone o-rings, and it is great with Buna and Viton, too. I'm starting another 2 month trial with a possible replacement for Christolube, Tribolube 71, which appears to have tighter manufacturing tolerances, but is otherwise identical. Cheaper, too.

 

Which Christolube are you using? I tried the website and there are several to offer.

OF course, I already have 150 grams of Molykote 1292, enough for a LONG time for me.

[diver dave1 23]

I contacted Dow Corning directly

 

They recommend Molykote 3451 for this application. It should work with any O-ring divers run across.

 

Other divers have used Molykote 1292 with success for some yrs based on messages to me and searches here of old threads.

3451 is thickened with ETFE

1292 is thickened with polyurea

[bvanant 190]

I contacted Dow Corning directly

 

They recommend Molykote 3451 for this application. It should work with any O-ring divers run across.

 

Other divers have used Molykote 1292 with success for some yrs based on messages to me and searches here of old threads.

3451 is thickened with ETFE

1292 is thickened with polyurea

I would second the 3451 recommendation, ETFE can't possibly leach out and there will be no monomers around to fog up your lenses. Also water won't have any way to possibly react while the polyureas to me at least appear potentially troublesome.

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

James,

 

Thank you for the opportunity to test our product in your system.

How did you get a sample to try? Did We meet at the DEMA show in Vegas this year?

Thanks again for the post. If there are any question that you have do not hesitate to call or email me.

 

David Lodwick

david@aerospacelubricants.com

614-878-3600

 

I'd be curious how you eluted the polyurea. When I was flailing through lube selection I researched 1292 and didn't see that reference (always looking for ways to be better at figuring out stuff, neh?).

 

Thanks!

 

All the best, James

 

PS: FWIW, I have seen great results with my trial of Christolube with silicone o-rings, and it is great with Buna and Viton, too. I'm starting another 2 month trial with a possible replacement for Christolube, Tribolube 71, which appears to have tighter manufacturing tolerances, but is otherwise identical. Cheaper, too.

[fdog 3]

Hi guys.

 

Bill, thanks for the description, I was lazy and depended on documentation. And I could have run downstairs and run it through our own IR spec and MSGC...sigh. Thanks. I'd agree that 3451 looks better.

 

Dave, my trial was with Christolube 111.

 

David, we did in fact meet at DEMA, and thank you for the samples. I am quite impressed with Tribolube 71 and will switch to it when our supply of Christolube is exhausted. I can't point to any one thing, it's just...better. More consistent in feel and viscosity, nice results with all formulations of o-rings...just feels higher quality.

 

 

All the best, James

[bvanant 190]

Hi guys.

 

Bill, thanks for the description, I was lazy and depended on documentation. And I could have run downstairs and run it through our own IR spec and MSGC...sigh. Thanks. I'd agree that 3451 looks better.

 

Dave, my trial was with Christolube 111.

 

David, we did in fact meet at DEMA, and thank you for the samples. I am quite impressed with Tribolube 71 and will switch to it when our supply of Christolube is exhausted. I can't point to any one thing, it's just...better. More consistent in feel and viscosity, nice results with all formulations of o-rings...just feels higher quality.

 

 

All the best, James

I wasn't trying to figure out what would be good for diving, but more for some implantable gizmos.

Bill

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

The Tribolube 71 is the main lubricating grease I would recomend for static and dynamic movement of O-rings and moving parts

David

 

I wasn't trying to figure out what would be good for diving, but more for some implantable gizmos.

Bill

[eyu 27]

Please clarify for me.

 

Are you saying that Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 can be used safely to lubricate all o-rings (synthetic and Buna) in my underwater housed camera system?? It will not be absorbed into the o-ring causing expansion or change in the consistency of the different o-rings.

 

In other words, by using Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 as a lubricant, I could safely eliminate the use of the three different silicone greases that my housing, strobe and sync cord manufacture recommends.

 

Thanks,

Elmer

[diver dave1 23]

Please clarify for me.

 

Are you saying that Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 can be used safely to lubricate all o-rings (synthetic and Buna) in my underwater housed camera system?? It will not be absorbed into the o-ring causing expansion or change in the consistency of the different o-rings.

 

In other words, by using Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 as a lubricant, I could safely eliminate the use of the three different silicone greases that my housing, strobe and sync cord manufacture recommends.

 

Thanks,

Elmer

 

 

According to Dow Corning, you can do that with Molykote 3451.

According to several divers here, you can also do it with Molykote 1292. The 1292 is white, not clear. the only difference if the filler and color. I find 1292 a bit thicker.

I cannot answer about the other lube's but I suspect others will. Hope that is some help.

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

Please clarify for me.

 

Are you saying that Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 can be used safely to lubricate all o-rings (synthetic and Buna) in my underwater housed camera system?? It will not be absorbed into the o-ring causing expansion or change in the consistency of the different o-rings.

 

In other words, by using Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 as a lubricant, I could safely eliminate the use of the three different silicone greases that my housing, strobe and sync cord manufacture recommends.

 

Thanks,

Elmer

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

Elmer,

 

Tribolube 71 Is safe to use on all elastomers ,plastic seals, gaskets, and O-rings, whatever the material is made of. Aquatica and Amphibico have been using Christolube MCG111 for over five years. It will not absorb into the o-ring. The o-ring will not swell like it will with silicone grease either. We are proud to announce that they will both be switching to Tribolube 71 when their supply runs out. We have small 5 gram packets that have put together for this type of application. Please follow the link below to one of our distributors to take a look. Feel free to email me if you have any questions that this reply does not adress or answer.

 

http://www.piranhadivemfg.com/products.html

 

Thanks,

 

David Lodwick

david@aerospacelubricants.com

 

 

 

Please clarify for me.

 

Are you saying that Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 can be used safely to lubricate all o-rings (synthetic and Buna) in my underwater housed camera system?? It will not be absorbed into the o-ring causing expansion or change in the consistency of the different o-rings.

 

In other words, by using Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 as a lubricant, I could safely eliminate the use of the three different silicone greases that my housing, strobe and sync cord manufacture recommends.

 

Thanks,

Elmer

[eyu 27]

Thanks for your feedbacks.

 

In review, Tribolube 71 or Christolube 111 or Molykote 3451 will work as one lube compatible with the four different o-rings in my housing, my wife's housing, strobe and sync cables.

In looking for a distributor to purchase from I found Piranha just a few miles from me, so I'll stop by tomorrow and pick up some tubes of Tribolube 71.

 

Elmer

[Piranhadivemfg 0]

If you never tried Tribolube 71 or any other products from Areospace Lubricants like their cleaner K02 or their protectrant EP02 you should go their wesite and check it out. The Tribolube 71 is an amazing new product which is the best I've been exposed to in my years diving.

 

This stuff is much better than most of the other products available for you guys to use. I had posted earlier but some how it never made it on this discussion line..

 

Also if you have any questions about any of their products please feel free to send me an email and I will be glad to give you an answer..

 

Randy

[GHP 0]

If you never tried Tribolube 71 or any other products from Areospace Lubricants like their cleaner K02 or their protectrant EP02 you should go their wesite and check it out. The Tribolube 71 is an amazing new product which is the best I've been exposed to in my years diving.

 

This stuff is much better than most of the other products available for you guys to use. I had posted earlier but some how it never made it on this discussion line..

 

Also if you have any questions about any of their products please feel free to send me an email and I will be glad to give you an answer..

 

Randy

 

 

Hi Randy.

Where can I get this in the UK? (Without having to buy 1Kg of the stuff!?)

[antacid 1]

what about in Singapore?

 

i agree i've got too many o-rings and greases to worry about. the lady at the local ikelite distributor said "coloured" (as in non-black) o-rings should use the grease supplied. for me that refers to inon strobe o-rings, and sea&sea housing o-rings..while black o-rings on the ikelite system can use any of the silicone grease that comes with cameras, strobes, or whatever.

 

is this true? i've been using the inon & sea&sea supplied grease for almost everything, and so far so good.

 

of course, i would like to have a single grease that i know for sure that is safe, and works well with all the rubber we lug around.

 

thanks!

[eyu 27]

Randy,

 

Just wanted to say I used your product, Tribolube 71 on all my underwater housing o-rings (Subal, Inon, Sea & Sea and Olympus) on my last trip to Bonaire. It is working just fine and only using one product has made my o-ring maintenance much easier.

 

Thanks,

Elmer

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

GHP,

 

Sorry for the interval of time to answer your question.

Please contact Stephen Phillips he is the distributor for the UK.

tribolubeuk@aol.com

 

Regards,

 

David Lodwick

Hi Randy.

Where can I get this in the UK? (Without having to buy 1Kg of the stuff!?)

[TRIBOLUBE71 0]

Antacid,

 

We have a Tribolube distributor for you as well. Please contact Andy Fritz.

 

info@rebreatherlab.com

 

Regards,

 

David

 

what about in Singapore?

 

i agree i've got too many o-rings and greases to worry about. the lady at the local ikelite distributor said "coloured" (as in non-black) o-rings should use the grease supplied. for me that refers to inon strobe o-rings, and sea&sea housing o-rings..while black o-rings on the ikelite system can use any of the silicone grease that comes with cameras, strobes, or whatever.

 

is this true? i've been using the inon & sea&sea supplied grease for almost everything, and so far so good.

 

of course, i would like to have a single grease that i know for sure that is safe, and works well with all the rubber we lug around.

 

thanks!

[zaven62 0]

what about in Singapore?

 

i agree i've got too many o-rings and greases to worry about. the lady at the local ikelite distributor said "coloured" (as in non-black) o-rings should use the grease supplied. for me that refers to inon strobe o-rings, and sea&sea housing o-rings..while black o-rings on the ikelite system can use any of the silicone grease that comes with cameras, strobes, or whatever.

 

is this true? i've been using the inon & sea&sea supplied grease for almost everything, and so far so good.

 

of course, i would like to have a single grease that i know for sure that is safe, and works well with all the rubber we lug around.

 

thanks!

 

Out of ignorance I bought a tube of sea & sea O-ring grease to use on my Ikelite Housing o-ring (black).

My buddy informed me that some o-ring greases are not to be used with certain types of O-rings.

I'm confused.

The ikelite web site says "any quality silicon grease is OK"

It all depends who you talk to.

[jcclink 8]

All this o-ring stuff has become very confusing for no apparent reason, other than to possibly sell these little tubes of "special grease". Buna (black) o-rings require a good quality silicone grease. A big tube will last for years. Silicone (red) o-rings require NO grease - use spit as lubricant. There is no engineering based reason to use the pretty colored o-rings on anything we use underwater. Buna works just fine. I use S&S strobes & sync cords. First thing I do is replace their blue o-rings with buna. One basic grease for everything. This is not rocket science.

Edited May 18, 2009 by jcclink

[tdpriest 115]

Out of ignorance I bought a tube of sea & sea O-ring grease to use on my Ikelite Housing o-ring (black).

My buddy informed me that some o-ring greases are not to be used with certain types of O-rings.

I'm confused.

The ikelite web site says "any quality silicon grease is OK"

It all depends who you talk to.

 

It actually all depends on what the o-ring is made from.

 

"Ordinary" silicone grease is fine with Ikelite o-rings. It's the fancy rings (usually coloured) that swell if the wrong grease is used. The "fancy" (and expensive) silicones will work with buna o-rings, but why pay for the expensive lubricant?

 

Despite paranoia (see above) I have used Molykote 1292 on all of my o-rings, buna and silicone, for 6 years now with no problems, despite the addition of polyurea to control its viscosity.

 

I'm not sure about spit, as a protein residue may build up on the o-ring or in the groove if not regularly cleaned...

 

Replacing silicone with buna isn't feasible for some of the o-rings in current use, particularly on compact camera housings.

 

Tim

 

Edited May 31, 2009 by tdpriest