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...and have you shipped any to Australia yet? :drink:

 

Scubapix (PMooney) will have one on his stand at Oztek today/tomorrow, http://www.diveoztek.com.au/

 

If there is a guy there holding onto it not wanting to hand it back...thats probably me ;-)

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Subal's 5D Mk II housings will start shipping next week, and we've received a few images.

 

From the front, with the new Subal name plate. The right bulkhead was relocated to provide more room for an improved front command dial placement.

 

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Subal made a very concerted effort to improve shooting ergonomics from the right grip , which is overlooked on many canon models. This housing offers excellent access to the shutter release, star/af-on button, front command wheel, and rear command wheel. A lever has been added for backlight (and I'm anxious to see if I can modify it for af-on).

 

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These images show the GS180 and WS45 viewfinders. An accessory port is also available for a microphone, remote monitor, or cable release.

 

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Looks very nice; I know I'm biased, but Subal just does such a great job with the ergonomics of their housings, and they just look so clean and functional. :drink:

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It's great to see continuous improvement from the housing manufacturers. Kudos are in order!

 

I'm just back from a month offshore and I shot THOUSANDS of photos and some video w/ the 5DII - it's a fantastic all around camera - I didn't miss my MkIII one bit.

 

Cheers

James

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It's great to see continuous improvement from the housing manufacturers. Kudos are in order!

 

I'm just back from a month offshore and I shot THOUSANDS of photos and some video w/ the 5DII - it's a fantastic all around camera - I didn't miss my MkIII one bit.

 

Cheers

James

 

James did you shoot underwater with the 5dmkii?

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Alas no - I haven't taken it underwater yet. I sent my housing off to Sam but haven't gotten it back yet.

 

Cheers

James

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quote name='Ryan' date='Mar 20 2009, 02:27 PM' post='205481']

Subal made a very concerted effort to improve shooting ergonomics from the right grip , which is overlooked on many canon models. This housing offers excellent access to the shutter release, star/af-on button, front command wheel, and rear command wheel. A lever has been added for backlight (and I'm anxious to see if I can modify it for af-on).

 

 

Ryan my mouth watereth over!!!

 

Don't forget I was first on your order list!!

 

Cant really tell from the pictures - how much does the GS viewfinder impinge on the LCD screen? Will you easily be able to see all info and he video record button?

 

I am not clear on your comment about the backlight lever. There is a lever for AF-ON allready - not so? I do agree that a backlight access is really not necessary as it it so much easier to see all the info on the main LCD day or night. So maybe that can be used for something else. It also seems to me that you only have access to two of the three ( AF-ON, * and Zoom in ) buttons on the top right back of the camera - unlike the Subal C40 that had access to all three, or am I missing something?

 

Very exciting that they have added access for a remote release - any information on that yet?

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The one thing I've noticed none of the manufacturers have done is build a shade for the LCD window. Using live view for video or just for the sake of having a big VF for framing would be a boon for those shooting big animals/action. Since a lot of that is in the shallows where strong light is omnipresent, the reflection off the screen (if non-reflectiive material isn't used) will make it difficult to see.

Liveview is now a standard with all DSLR (as perhaps video will be soon too, with 3 VidSLR in the market so far), so manufacturers will have to change the designs to cater for such functions.

At least 2 manufacturers heeded the requests for hydrophones.

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One more thing...

 

We took photos of the Subal 5DmkII housing last week. I've posted the internal views below.

 

 

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I've copied this from the 5Dmkii video thread as it answers some previous questions in this 5dmkii housing thread.

....I spoke with Aquatica this weekend and they will have a solution to access both AF-ON and the star button. This final production model has been greatly improved over the last 3 weeks thanks to Aquatica's willingness to implement user feedback. Hat's off to Aquatica! ....

 

I sent an email off to Blake last night with my concerns regarding the most recently posted version of the Aquatica 5dmkii housing, particularly as they had "lost" one button, thus users could only access either * or AF-ON.

 

How was it that they could go from the required 4 button access to 3 button access AFTER testing the first prototype? Any clues? Seems crazy. But yes, hats off if they have got back on track.

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Well Darren, it looks like AF-On and * don't have individual buttons on any of the housings shown here. I think their previous prototype's solution for accessing all 3 buttons at the back right was not too elegant. 2 smallish levers next to each other is hard to actuate when you have fat thumbs from thick gloves and it protrudes out too much which affects the fit of the hand on the grip.

 

Another thing I noticed is the position of the SET button on the housings shows the ergonomic thought of each design. The Seacam and Aquatica moved the SET button up nearer where the thumb's natural resting position would be if holding the housing. The Subal and Anthis both have it right where the dial is, which means more movement and contortion of the hand to access that function. For video shooters, it is something to consider carefully. Seems video was on the mind of Seacam and Aquatica whereas it was not a priority for Subal and Anthis.

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Well Darren, it looks like AF-On and * don't have individual buttons on any of the housings shown here. I think their previous prototype's solution for accessing all 3 buttons at the back right was not too elegant. 2 smallish levers next to each other is hard to actuate when you have fat thumbs from thick gloves and it protrudes out too much which affects the fit of the hand on the grip.

 

Another thing I noticed is the position of the SET button on the housings shows the ergonomic thought of each design. The Seacam and Aquatica moved the SET button up nearer where the thumb's natural resting position would be if holding the housing. The Subal and Anthis both have it right where the dial is, which means more movement and contortion of the hand to access that function. For video shooters, it is something to consider carefully. Seems video was on the mind of Seacam and Aquatica whereas it was not a priority for Subal and Anthis.

 

Yep, it seems it's been a bit of a challenge to get it right, and as they say "the proof will be in the pudding" ...rhubarb preferably :drink: ...

 

I know from shooting topside video with the camera over a few months now, that to get any sort of sensible shooting workflow means you need easy access to those 4 controls, preferably without having to think about it too much :D

As it is even on land the Set button isn't in the best place.

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That's because it was an afterthought for Canon as well. I think they caught wind of the D90 too late to implement it correctly. And the popularity sorta knocked them off their chairs. But so did the downturn LOL.

 

I think it's pretty much getting use to doing things slightly different. The AE lock can be done at the shutter and then use AF-On to AF (CF IV -1). That should cover most shooting parameters. Then of course you can't -/+ view on the LCD preview but it's not a big deal compared to AE Lock and AF. Of course you can use CF IV-2 to switch the buttons around underwater and save it under another CF setting. Workarounds workarounds.

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Did first dive with the Ikelite housing last weekend. It has both AF and AE lock buttons available but I didn't record any video, too much surge to attempt macro video for the first time. See the Showcase board for my still shots:

 

http://wetpixel.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29379

 

Upgrading from the Ikelite 5D housing to the 5DmkII housing, the most obvious change is the strobe port moving to the top left of the housing. This was an odd choice -- I would have put it top left or on top of the housing -- but I'm sure they considered that. In use, it wasn't in my way any more than strobe wires on any other housing I've used. The mkII housing seems better put together than my 5D housing was, certain small complaints I had with my old housing were addressed like knurling the camera screw mount and parts feel higher quality. I've always liked the way I can see the whole camera through the housing on Ikelite. I don't love the port mounting, the best system seems to be the bayonet on Subal housings. Still, for 1/3 the price I think it's a great housing system.

 

Let me know if you have any questions on the Ikelite housing.

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Any firm date on the Sea & Sea or the Aquatica housings for the 5D MKII?

 

I just got a call today from my dive shop, a spot opened up on the new Aggressor boat in the Maldives.

The date is April 3rd.

 

It would be a shame to take the trip and have to leave my 5d topside.

 

Any mfg's out there that need anymore testing done? hint, hint...

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Now lets see if we can make the lot of you happy, this approach should please most if not all of you, the AF-ON button is accessed by pushing down the lever in its defaults position, if one need the * (star) button, one has only to slide the lever outward and press down to have access to it, push back in for AF-On etc.

 

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The casual observer will note by the lack of capillary extrusion on the hand (a dead giveaway) that our beloved Wetpixel model James Wiseman was not available for this shoot out :) . We regret to impose you this humble stand in, yours truly.

 

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the members of this forum for their comments and input and let them know that we always appreciate their recommendations and every efforts is made whenever it is possible to implement theses constructive changes in our designs. :)

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Now lets see if we can make the lot of you happy, this approach should please most if not all of you.....

Now that's a statement out on a limb :) but you may have just done it with v3.0....

 

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the members of this forum for their comments and input and let them know that we always appreciate their recommendations and every efforts is made whenever it is possible to implement theses constructive changes in our designs. :)

:)

 

Wow. You guys are serious about making this work. That deserves a big hug in itself :wub: . I congratulate you and the team for considering the feedback.

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I think Blake and Jean would just appreciate that you buy from them and skip the hug. :)

Nice work guys. Now about that anti-reflective coating LCD window? :)

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I think Blake and Jean would just appreciate that you buy from them and skip the hug. :) .....

 

Why do you think my interest level has been so high...? the order I placed was based on V1.0!

 

Hopefully your anti-glare screen will be a user-replaceable option :)

 

When covered in water, would something akin to "frosted" non-reflective picture framing glass work? Maybe the small indentations would fill with water, like a scratch on a port, but still have some non-reflective properties? Or is there a simpler solution?

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Nice work guys. Now about that anti-reflective coating LCD window? :)

 

Drew... let me go to bed :):) , I promise you, if we find some material that is antireflective easy to machine and does not cost more than a space shuttle port hole, we will put it in no problem, so far no luck.

 

Darren, Thanks for the Hug offer, hug's don't pay the rent but they shure make you apreciate your day's work! we have a bunch of those getting ready to ship soon :wub:

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This is good info Jean, thanks for the update.

 

Now go to bed, get some ZzzzZzz

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Nextoo: do you work at Oceaneering? I sure recognize that buoyancy block paint-job!

 

Jean: does this mean that you have shrunk the handles now so that yours truly and my lovely wife won't have to strain so hard (popping out veins on my hand you mean, right) to reach everything from your beefcake handles? :-)

 

Cheers

James

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Nah, same handle, but we have moved the controls somewhat closer, I don't really have piano playing finger lenght myself but can easely access all the stuff that need to be taken care of, the shutter release lever is a newer wider type and care was taken to moved as close as possible for a natural feel, lever and knob have been tucked in as close to the grips as can be without cluttering things, have to say, i'm mighty proud of the name on my paycheck with this one, the team has pulled through and came up with one of the best housing Aquatica has done. :)

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Yes I'm James. Trying to fly an ROV between all that surfing on the net, not easy I tell you.

And now waiting for my Aquatica housing is taking my breath out of me.

 

But these changes on the UW house is worth the wait.

Hope it arrives before june, because I join Alex's photo workshop in Gulen, Norway.

 

 

Dag

ROV Pilot @ Oceaneering

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