Drew 0 Posted December 23, 2008 We all know how much damage the sharks fin trade has done to the shark population in the oceans. And I'm sure the majority of us would never touch the stuff (I admittedly have 20 years ago as a kid). However the population at large, especially the noveau riche chinese and VERY established Hong Kong crowd, don't even know or care about things like this. This is even more true now in this economic climate. I realized this when I was going to eat at a chinese restaurant yesterday. This particular restaurant wasn't the typical cantonese style restaurant that automatically serves shark fins. However, I always ask if they do have sharks fin on the menu before I go in. If they do, I would politely say that I won't patronize a restaurant which does serve shark fin. If they ask for an explanation, I'll go into further detail. My friend was surprised I'd do this but after discussion she thought it is a good way to be vocally supportive. I was reminded of this act by a friend who works in conservation. I would normally mull in silent protest and the chinese restaurants would not know or miss my money. By telling them, they now know that there is at least one customer not willing to go to the restaurant because of their menu. I do think it is time for people who support for conservation to be more proactive. The live seafood trade and sharks fin trade is rife is asia and anywhere there are chinese restaurants. Find out if the live reef fish in the tanks are endangered and let the proprietor know you won't support them if they continue to serve the food. So if I may make a suggestion to our readers in the holiday season to make an extra effort from now on when you pass a chinese restaurant. Walk by, check the menu and let your voice be heard. To quote Wild Aid's campaign " when the buying stops, the killing will too." In confession, this suggestion is motivated by very selfish reasons. I'm tired of the crappy chinese food I have to suffer at chinese restaurants that don't serve sharks fin. It would seem the best chinese food is served at the popular chinese restos which unfortunately have to cater to the chinese population by serving sharks fin. The same for live reef fish. Happy holidays. PS: Just so you don't think I'm just picking on the chinese, I'll be following up with Patagonia Toothfish (Chilean Seabass) very soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyematey 5 Posted December 23, 2008 Well put, I am extremely tired of ocean rape for Asian erections or status elevation. One at a time protests make a difference or at least a good argument. Yes we can... Happy Hollandaise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremypayne 0 Posted December 23, 2008 DREW: "I do think it is time for people who support for conservation to be more proactive." I wholeheartedly agree. I'm gonna start calling the NYC restaurants. Please join in ... http://www.awionline.org/oceans/Fisheries/...s_shark_fin.htm Please contact the restaurants in the link and ask that they stop sales of any products containing shark fins: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shawnh 0 Posted December 23, 2008 Wow Jeremy, that is quite a list! I am going to work on my local restaurants for sure. To add to the list of things you can do, take an evening to share wine or whatever with your friends. Ask for 15 minutes to share a topic that is close to you....shark fin and ocean conservation. At the end, ask them to shark this with their friends. Finally, take some of that holiday spirit and make a contribution to a group like WildAid that is working day and night to end shark finning. Happy Holidays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealDrew 0 Posted December 23, 2008 Good job Drew. It seems to work from time to time, or at least hopefully so. Did not know if you saw this thread from a bit back about Shark Fin soup in Vegas, seems it did get removed. One can only hope things like this have some influence.... Shark Fin Soup In Vegas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkgodiving 1 Posted December 24, 2008 Shark fin by itself is tasteless. It's the broth that make the soup. Liking for shark fin soup is not an acquired taste (as made to believe) but merely a status symbol. I will admit that I have enjoyed my spoils - puke if you would - until some years ago when I became more sensitive to the dwindling shark population and the cruelties inflicted on them in the process. I have been doing my part by declining the soup when hosted to a dinner and encouraging friends to do the same. Unfortunately in our part of the world, I would say that shark fin will continue to be served for many years to come. Let's hope that each additional voice will make a difference and eventually weaned us Asian off this "acquired taste". May the same goes for bear paws, monkey brains, etc. KK Goh Singapore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shawnh 0 Posted December 24, 2008 Good for you KK. I have spent a lot of time in Singapore and you are right, shark fin is served just about everywhere! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M_Bipartitus 0 Posted December 24, 2008 Thank you for this list. I've realized one location I have been to several times is on the list. I will have to bring this up with them. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm gonna start calling the NYC restaurants. Please join in ... http://www.awionline.org/oceans/Fisheries/...s_shark_fin.htm Please contact the restaurants in the link and ask that they stop sales of any products containing shark fins: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syam 0 Posted January 16, 2009 Hi I have a suggestion, I think all divers should make an effort to avoid staying at hotels that serve shark fin soup. I'm not sure whether Wetpixel members are aware of this, most 5-star luxury hotels in Asia Pacific region serve sharkfin soup in their hotel's Chinese restaurant. What I wish t to see is that the hotels would take the lead in NOT serving sharkfin soup in their hotels & inform the public of their action in order to show off their environmentally aware practice. Hopefully with this, the public will stop associating eating shark fins soup with prestige and luxury. Once people STOP thinking that eating shark fins soup is prestigious then the demand will stop. We must associate eating shark fin soup as environmentally irresponsible, ignorant, backward and uncivilized. The younger Chinese generation, whether they live in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia or Singapore, would loath to be labeled as backward, so I think we should start from that idea. Below is a list of 10 top hotels in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia that serves sharkfin soup Hotel Name, Restaurant Name, Menu 1 Mandarin Oriental, Lai Poo Heen, Shark’s fin and Bird’s NestStewed superior shark's fin with crab claw in abalone broth. Braised superior shark's fin with bird’s nest broth 2 Shangri-La KL, Shang Palace, Braised Shark’s Fin Soup served with Bean Sprouts and Chinese Parsley 3 The Hilton KL, Chynna, Braised Egg Treasure with Scallop (thick soup). Double-Braised with Sundried Scallop (clear soup) 4 Hotel Equatorial, Golden Phoenix, Shark, duck and venison – they're part of an array of culinary creations at the Golden Phoenix 5 Nikko Hotel, Toh Lee, Sharks fin soup, many style 6 Renaissance Kuala Lumpur, Dynasty, Sharks fin soup, Cantonese cuisine 7 The Ritz Carlton, Li Yen, Sharks fin soup - double boiled, braised with crab meat, chicken etc 8 JW Marriott Hotel, Shanghai Restaurant, Sharks fin soup - double boiled, chicken & ham, braised 9 Prince Hotel, Tai Zee Hin, Pearl Sharkfin, Superior Sharkfin, Double-Boiled Sharkfin with Vegetables 10 Parkroyal Hotel, Si Chuan Dou Hua, Sharks fin soup If you are planning to travel to KL, please enquire whether the hotel you will be staying in includes eating shark fin soup in their dining experience. If they do I urge you to divert your accommodation plans to hotels that doesn’t serve shark fin soup such as Le Meridien or The Westin, Kuala Lumpur. I also hope Wetpixel members could make a list of top hotels in Singapore, Jakarta, Hanoi, Bangkok, Taiwan, Hong Kong and other Asian cities that serve shark fin soup. Shark killings can only be stopped from the demand side not on the supply side. This dawned on me on my diving trip to Mabul last Christmas break. The diving was great but what I saw on the topside one afternoon made me realize that the way we try to stop shark killings is far from enough. Right in the middle of the Bajau fisherman village, in between the budget homestays that cater for divers, a group of fisherman was hauling in their shark catch. I counted more than 20 sharks of various species including Mako, Grey Reef and Silvertip, were being prepared for the export market, fins removed, their bodies cut into identical smaller chunks. (see attached pictures) What struck me was that these people were not starving poor, they had basic homes on stilts, with 24 hours electricity from the generator, and fresh water pumped from the well on the island. So the idea of providing them with alternative and sustainable source of income like growing seaweed or rearing fish or pearl farming, as a way for them to stop catching sharks will not work. They choose to catch sharks because it makes them more money. If one night of fishing with long-lines and 5-inch fish hooks can earn them a few hundred dollars, why would they bother with other kind of work. Shark killing cannot be stopped from the supply side with quotas, enactment of laws or education of the fishermen. It must be stopped from the demand side. When demand falls, so will the price and the incentive for these fishermen to catch sharks will no longer be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 16, 2009 Actually, every diver going to Sipadan pay a national park fee and Sabah Parks is suppose to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Syam, if you don't mind, I'd like you to start another thread stating Finning in Sipadan and post those pictures. I will add contact into for Malaysian tourism and Sabah Parks so we divers can write in. Our money weighs in a lot so we will be heard on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syam 0 Posted January 16, 2009 I asked around about the sharks, I was told that the sharks were caught in international waters and they were meant for the export market (Hong Kong) including the meat. Apparently it was all legal. Two days after that another haul came in, with about 10 sharks and 1 sailfish. I think they also distribute the meat to other villagers, I saw one old lady paddling away in her canoe with a shark head in it. The divers there were horrified at the scene, we had divers from other resorts on the island came over to say hi, they were shocked to see it. We all paid the fee and they were very strict with the quota, I only managed to do two dives in Sipadan. Unfortunately sharks don't recognize borders, even if Sabah Parks patrol the Malaysian waters, there's nothing much they can do about fishing in the Philippines or Indonesia even. That's when I realize that all the laws in the world wouldn't make a difference. Education of young people in Asian countries would also be futile, by the time they grow up & pay for their dinners, the only sharks they see would be on TV. That's why I think we have to take a more direct action. The main idea is to disassociate eating sharkfin soup with prestige. And to do that we have to get the top hotels to stop serving them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 16, 2009 Syam, I understand that. The point is to stop the villagers from doing it. We give money to the community via the resorts and park fees. If they don't take care of the area, what's the point of park fees and giving profit to the dive resorts there. Let's put pressure on the dive resorts to raise the matter to Sabah Parks and Malaysia Tourism. This is what is needed to help move along legislation. Money talks. If the shark fin industry is worth less than the tourism industry, they would rather lose it. Same with your idea for hotels. Please consider the use of your pictures to spearhead more pressure on the Malaysian government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syam 0 Posted January 17, 2009 Yes, I agree with you actually. Please start another thread on Finning In Sipadan. This thing happened in the fishing village which is just behind Borneo Divers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scuba_SI 39 Posted January 17, 2009 I got into a huge fight with a shop in Bitung today, they were selling sharkfins along with general hardware and supplies... Told them that they would never get anymore business from our resort as they sold the fins... Which equates to several million rupiah per month. Hopefully it will make them think about why tourism is important, even if the tourists dont spend money directly at their shop. They also finned / killed a 3m whaleshark in Bitung yesterday morning, i arrived about 20 minutes too late Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 17, 2009 Syam, please check your PM. Simon, why don't you disseminate what you've done to the other 14 ops in the area so they can form an effective boycott of the shop/s in question? I'm sure all of them will help out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scuba_SI 39 Posted January 17, 2009 Simon, why don't you disseminate what you've done to the other 14 ops in the area so they can form an effective boycott of the shop/s in question? I'm sure all of them will help out. Sudah Mister Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeee 0 Posted January 17, 2009 Wedding banquet is one of the key events where shark's fin soup is served in Asia. So my personal attempt was to brainwash my friends not to serve shark's fin soup in their wedding banquet. I managed to talk two couples out of serving it on their big day. Not a lot but I am gonna keep trying! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syam 0 Posted January 18, 2009 Syam, please check your PM. Hi Drew, I replied to your PM but can't see the sent messages, did u get it?. Anyway, yes, I give permission, please go ahead. You can get the larger pics here. The pictures were taken on 25 Dec 2008 next to Mabul Backpackers Lodge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 18, 2009 Got it Syam. Akan datang as the malays would say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damo 4 Posted January 18, 2009 Hello all The shark conservation issue is very dear to us divers- no doubt about that one-and we should count ourselves priviledged and lucky to dive with them and photograph them in the time we have beem given. I wholeheartedly agree with not supporting restaurants that serve shark fin soup is one small yet practical step for us divers- -in stopping the slaughter- name and shame is better!! Stopping the demand is the way -yes-yes-yes!!- but perhaps the current absurd demand just doesnt apply to the end customer in the restaurant- maybe its the demand of the persons who atually catch the sharks-(as per early posts) -to feed their bellies and make money- (dont we all want to make money??) and make a better life for themselves and their families? Education is key- (but again we need to be mindful that basic education can be a priviledge rather than an automatic right in some countries.) SHARKS ALIVE = MORE TOURISTS = MORE MONEY!!! Here's a thought- what if you could- tomorrow morning-place the human perception of the shark in the same category as the polar bear, the panda, the gorilla, or the whale?? Would that stop the slaughter?? safe diving in 2009 to everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syam 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Any WP member passing through KL, please try to avoid the following hotels that serve sharkfin soup. 1. Mandarin Oriental, Lai Poo Heen 2. Shangri-La KL, Shang Palace 3. The Hilton KL, Chynna 4. Hotel Equatorial, Golden Phoenix 5. Nikko Hotel, Toh Lee 6. Renaissance Kuala Lumpur, Dynasty 7. The Ritz Carlton, Li Yen 8. JW Marriott Hotel, Shanghai Restaurant 9. Prince Hotel, Tai Zee Hin 10. Parkroyal Hotel, Si Chuan Dou Hua Hotels that do NOT serve sharkfin soup. 1. Le Meridien 2. The Westin Let them know why you're avoiding them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scubaskeeter 3 Posted April 8, 2009 Shark killing cannot be stopped from the supply side with quotas, enactment of laws or education of the fishermen. It must be stopped from the demand side. When demand falls, so will the price and the incentive for these fishermen to catch sharks will no longer be there. ============================ Syam, that is the best statement I've seen on this subject, and it applies to all of the evils in the world, driven by money (drugs, guns, prostitution, rare animals etc.) I saw shark fin soup for sale at a cheap buffett in the Hong Kong airport - bears out what Drew said, this practice is ubiquitious in China. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.Greg 0 Posted October 20, 2009 This is an old thread but maybe someone will notice a new post What you are suggesting regarding the hotels and restaurants is a good idea, but the impact of shark fin soup is much broader. I have lived in China for the past year and a half and every single food store you go into has dozens if not hundreds of dried shark fins. If you figure thousands or tens of thousands of stores, then dozens to hundreds of fins per store, you are conservatively talking over a million fins in Chinese food stores at any one time. Then consider how many are sold and restocked. For those of you in Europe, if you want to do some good while at home about this issue, boycott Carrefour. Every single Carrefour store I have been to in China has dozens and dozens of shark fins in their dried fish section. This is a European based company, not some Asian food chain who can claim it is their culture. They stock the fins only for financial gain. If you want to have fun get a picture of shark fins with the giant Carrefour sign in the background. Then publish that back in Europe where people are more sensitive about the issue. Start a boycott Cerrefour website. That will generate some publicity for this entire movement. Another thing, you are addressing it from the perspective of the person making money off of it (restaurant and hotel owners). You can't just pick up a picket sign or start signing petitions, you need to consider their culture. If you try to go in and take an aggressive approach like boycotting, to be frank, all you are going to do is piss them off and they will ignore you for patronizing their culture. I think you would get a much greater impact just educating the general public. China is now much "greener" than you would think. Not only does the average Chinese consume far less paper and plastics then the average westerner, but they are also becoming quite green aware. I am referring educated city residents, not just 'villagers'. You constantly see pro green commercials on TV here in China. Someone mentioned that as more Chinese gain economical position they too will be able to afford or want to consume shark fin soup, but those same people are much more interested in a "worldly perspective" then just consuming shark fin soup. They tend to have a very willing ear towards conservation. If it were me and I wanted to make an impact on this issue I would appeal to the National Geographic channel and the Discovery channel to run educational programs on the subject. Most Chinese cable and satellite packages have the channels as an option. (The programs are in Chinese, not English.) In China every third commercial on Nat Geo or Discovery is a green message because they don't really have a lot or commercials selling products and they need to fill that space each hour. I would guess that for an hour long program, 45 minutes is content, 5 minutes are green messages, 5+ minutes are messages about upcoming programming, and the very small remaining bit is an actual "TV Commercial" as you think of them. So the Chinese already hear a lot of green messages on a regular basis and it seems well accepted. Nat Geo and Discovery are obviously already leaning the green direction, but due to the absence of me ever seeing any information on shark finning, perhaps they are avoiding broadcasting information because they are afraid of a "cultural conflict". If you are going to petition anyone, petition Nat Geo and Discovery, who already have the Chinese' eyes and ears every hour of every day. They must have a reason for pushing everything else green but anti shark fin soup messages, plus as eco active groups themselves they should be willing to listen. Maybe if you petition them they will tell you why they have not broadcast much about it, at least not in the past year ad a half that I have been watching. I saw quite a few programs that you would consider "anti establishment". For example, programs on Tiananmen Square, China's pollution problems, etc. So I can't imagine that Nat Geo and Discovery are being forbidden by China to run a shark fin program, but maybe so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Afrodiver 0 Posted November 5, 2009 My brother Ben has been working for years on trying to help stop shark fin poaching. He currently is in a competition to get a National Geographic Grant (his second for shark finning) to help start a new conservation area in Central America. If anyone would like to help sharks, this is a great opportunity! Thanks! Ben Horton - National Geographic Young Explorer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmyates 3 Posted November 7, 2009 ...I think you would get a much greater impact just educating the general public. China is now much "greener" than you would think... I was recently approached (via e-mail) by the editor of a Chinese photography magazine called PhotoWorld. They ended up doing an 8-page article about my underwater photography, which you can see here, along with a rough English translation. Because it was my grinning shark photo that got their attention in the first place, I had an opportunity to answer a few questions about sharks. Trying to do my small part to raise awareness (especially in China!) of the plight of sharks in general, my answer to one of his questions (that was used in the article) included the following: "Unfortunately the world’s shark populations are being decimated as shark fins are cut off to meet people's demand for shark fin soup - sharks are caught by ships, their fins cut off and the live sharks thrown back in the water to die. I very much hope that my photos can help people to understand this horrific act, and influence people to no longer eat shark's fin soup, so that the dwindling number of shark species can recover." Hopefully some of China's photographers who read that article will think twice the next time they see shark-fin soup on a menu. I also try to raise the shark topic whenever I'm asked to speak to groups about photography. I realize it's just a tiny drop in the bucket, but if all of us use every opportunity we have to raise awareness, it might start making a dent in the demand... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites