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Time for us the manufacturers and camera stores to let the stage free for the non affiliated members to render judgments :)

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If I could get a Sea&Sea for the same price as Aquatica, are there any compelling reasons why one system is better than the other?

 

 

At some point it may be the time to actually handle the housings to see what works for you. The other threads mentioned the various pros and cons of the housings (tripod options, etc.). The Sea & Sea is about a pound and a half lighter and there is the direct TTL convertor (extra part) though there is also a way to work out TTL on the Aquatica. Each brand has a good selection of ports and options. And if you ask enough people, you will find people who will love and/or dislike one or the other (no offense to either manufacturer intended by that.)

 

Mike L mentioned his experience, including the customer support for Sea & Sea/parts. I have Aquatica and I can say that the people up North in Canada are always a pleasure to deal with, and like Gates for my video side of things, Aquatica at this point is always at the top of my list when I am housing shopping. (Though the leak check on the Hugy is very cool. If I was ever going to consider another brand of housing, it would probably be for that more than anything)

 

BTW here is another Aquatica view point that you may or may not have seen

 

http://wetpixel.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30745

 

What you need to do is sit down and go through a check list of exactly what you want. Is it budget? Is it size? Is this also going to be a video rig as Drew asked, or is video just a nice plus now and again?

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Just on visuals the Aquatica looks nicer than the Sea&Sea.

I currently have a Sea&See and so I have ports for that.

I don't know if my ports are useable with Aquatica .. one thing in my mind is if Aquatica looks nicer and costs less .. as long as it is fully functional .. then it is defo the best value for money in my mind.

 

Wonder if there are any on island i could borrow to try out .. unlikely :)

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Gilles, the Digital shootout is coming your way next year, along with yours truly and a trunk of goodies, you will be more than welcome to forage through my Aquatica bin should you fancy a spin with one.

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Thats a great option .. ooh ... darn it .. do i really have to come over to Little Cayman just to go diving and take some photos :) awesome I had no idea it was heading this way.

 

LCBR is great too .. you are diving with my old company Reef Divers too !

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Time for us the manufacturers and camera stores to let the stage free for the non affiliated members to render judgments :)

 

I agree. :)

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I currently have a Sea&See and so I have ports for that.

I don't know if my ports are useable with Aquatica .. one thing in my mind is if Aquatica looks nicer and costs less .. as long as it is fully functional .. then it is defo the best value for money in my mind.

 

Wonder if there are any on island i could borrow to try out .. unlikely :)

 

Aquatica have a adaptor in the works for Sea & Sea Ports - this makes the choice for you very simple. :)

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Adapters are great except for FE lenses which sometimes even vignettes because of the adapter on a FF camera. No such thing as a free lunch :)

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What about Hugyfot a bit more expensive but has the hugycheck system which is pretty good.

 

Apart from this check system any advantages or disadvantages of the Hugy vs Aqautica & Sea&Sea?

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Wouldn't it be nice if housing manufacturers could manufacture the front of their housing to suit different port systems, instead of buying adapters that throw the lens to port dimension out.. Ok you might have to wait a few weeks for your Aquatica housing that accepted Sea and Sea ports but the wait would be well worth it.

 

Stew

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Adapters are great except for FE lenses which sometimes even vignettes because of the adapter on a FF camera. No such thing as a free lunch :)
I would be wanting to get a larger dome port as well .. just not replace the two ports i have!

 

Unless of course there was a port that fit my 28-70mm L series lense .. with zoom gears from aquatica .. i wonder!

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The lens will fit, we can take up to just under 100mm and your lens is 83.2mm at its largest, I would need a lens in order to calibrate the optical center on my secret weapon optical calibrator :) and my only hurdle is the girth of this baby, its got a larger waist than me :) ,i'll have to get back at you on that one, I know I can fit the 24-70mm f/2.8 no problem and do have a gear for it (its the same zomm ring size as the Nikkor 28-70 f/2.8), then again the 24-70 is the same size as the 28-70mm f/2.8 Canon, definetely want to get one of those lens for measurement now, damm you Giles!

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Sell the 28-70 and get the 24-105L. That has IS for video and a nice topside travel lens and good fish lens with a +2/3 diopter. Not 2.8 but hey what's a stop between friends?

 

Jean, the 28-70 is 7 years old and OOP. Why bother? Concentrate on the newer lenses baby!:)

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Drew if I was to sell it and get another lens then I would get the 24-70mm f2.8L I like that extra stop !

 

I agree that the 28-70 is the older lens no longer made and so should be ignored for these sorts of applications in favour of others .. both have advantages over the other but my problem is .. who is gonna buy my 28-70 for anything like a decent price! So i can not loose out too much buying the 24-70 :)

I would rather just buy a 10-22 and keep my 28-70.

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Does anyone have anything to say about the Hugy housings?

 

Are Hugy less common than Aquatica & Sea&Sea?

 

As I see so far, Aquatica is nicely made, solid, with nice ergonomics and is a popular brand.

 

Sea&Sea is lighter also well made, with good ergonomics and is also a popular brand and costs a little more.

 

Hugyfot is also light, well made, and has the hugycheck leak check system - all good but more expensive than both the others.

 

Just on the Aquatica adapter for Sea&Sea domes & ports, is there any particular reason why being able to adapt Sea&Sea domes & ports

is useful if you do not currently have any existing Sea&Sea ports?

 

Is there any chance that Aquatica or Sea&Sea could bring out something like the Hugycheck?

 

Are there any major diffs in the viewfinders on these 3 brands?

 

Do most people use a view finder to extend battery life or because you prefer a viewfinder over the LCD?

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Drew if I was to sell it and get another lens then I would get the 24-70mm f2.8L I like that extra stop !

I would rather just buy a 10-22 and keep my 28-70.

Err the 10-22 doesn't work on the 5D2 dude. You've grown up to FF now sonny. :) And that league allows you to use an extra stop in the ISO to compensate. The 24-105 is a great travel lens.

 

Does anyone have anything to say about the Hugy housings?

Just on the Aquatica adapter for Sea&Sea domes & ports, is there any particular reason why being able to adapt Sea&Sea domes & ports

is useful if you do not currently have any existing Sea&Sea ports?

 

Matt, I understand that choosing a housing is tough. All these questions, information overload and difficult decision to where to throw your bank balance. Unfortunately, you need to extrapolate the information given in the threads provided.

My recommendation for you is first to decide on a budget, which lenses you must have and decide on the housing which supports those lenses properly, with the proper extensions and/or MF controls etc while fitting in your budget. Most housings cover the basic setups as Jean has described.

Also list down the features you MUST have and then compare it with the products.

I would also suggest you check out the support you have for the various brands in HK (I think that flag of yours is the SAR flag). Many times, the euro brands require the housing to be sent back for major works. So check with the local dealer on how they handle repairs and what they are capable of, even if you are ordering via the web. You will need servicing sooner or later. May as well do it now.

Definitely go down to the store to handle the housings if they have one. Even the local brand 10Bar has a 5D2 housing.

Good luck.

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Matt, I understand that choosing a housing is tough. All these questions, information overload and difficult decision to where to throw your bank balance. Unfortunately, you need to extrapolate the information given in the threads provided.

My recommendation for you is first to decide on a budget, which lenses you must have and decide on the housing which supports those lenses properly, with the proper extensions and/or MF controls etc while fitting in your budget. Most housings cover the basic setups as Jean has described.

Also list down the features you MUST have and then compare it with the products.

I would also suggest you check out the support you have for the various brands in HK (I think that flag of yours is the SAR flag). Many times, the euro brands require the housing to be sent back for major works. So check with the local dealer on how they handle repairs and what they are capable of, even if you are ordering via the web. You will need servicing sooner or later. May as well do it now.

Definitely go down to the store to handle the housings if they have one. Even the local brand 10Bar has a 5D2 housing.

Good luck.

 

Yes you are correct.

Ok, the threads are very useful I will try to muddle through to some sort of decision.

 

In any case I will toss a few more questions out there, maybe someone is going through the same process.

 

I liked what Jean (Aquatica support) had to say about Aquatica and was hoping

that someone might be able to talk a bit about Hugyfot to balance things up.

 

Aquatica & Hugyfot have local support but not Sea&Sea AFAIK.

I cannot find an email for Sea&Sea to ask if there are any Sea&Sea housings to look at here.

I also emailed the listed Sea&Sea distributor but did not receive a response.

So its not looking good for Sea&Sea.

 

The Hugyfot is more expensive but not so much more that it is out of the question.

I do like the idea of the Hugycheck system, it could save a bundle in the long term.

There is good support for Hugyfot here.

 

I am going to have a look at the Hugy next week unfortunately there is no Aquatica to look at here.

 

As for lenses, I will use Canon 15mm fisheye, Canon 16-35 2.8 mkii and Canon 100mm macro.

I have a sigma 12-24 which I might also like to use sometimes.

Mostly I will concentrate on wide angle natural light.

Mostly still photography, a little video maybe?

It should be light for travel.

It would be good if the housing was tough and reliable (they both seem pretty good in this regard.)

 

Would I be correct for example, in assuming Aquatica is ergonmically similar to Sea&Sea?

And that both are different to Hugyfot?

 

Also if you were selecting this set up, would you want manual focus controls for all these lenses?

Also is a viewfinder adapter essential?

 

I have to make a decision between Aquatica & Hugyfot with limited information, that's why I am fishing for more info.

Not sure about 10Bar, I will have a look but will more likely go for one of the mainstream brands.

 

Anyway thanks to all who contributed.

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Giles, I would not try getting a Sigma 12-24 online. You never know what you get with Sigma QC. Go to a store and test out every copy they have. If none of them are evenly sharp, try another store. I tried 6 before I found one I liked. Then I dropped it and it was never the same again :)

 

Matt, you're not looking hard enough.:) ProDive on Lockhart Rd in Wanchai sell S&S. I've heard they moved to somewhere else in Wanchai and changed names. I don't shop dive stuff in HK so I'm not updated.

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Giles, I would not try getting a Sigma 12-24 online. You never know what you get with Sigma QC. Go to a store and test out every copy they have. If none of them are evenly sharp, try another store. I tried 6 before I found one I liked. Then I dropped it and it was never the same again :(

 

Matt, you're not looking hard enough.:) ProDive on Lockhart Rd in Wanchai sell S&S. I've heard they moved to somewhere else in Wanchai and changed names. I don't shop dive stuff in HK so I'm not updated.

 

Don't be too tough on me (after all I am only a clownfish :) )I did look up the website links but nothing led me to there.

 

I am aware of them so I will drop them a line.

 

Thanks.

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The Sea & Sea is about a pound and a half lighter

 

We are a tad heavier due to the wall thickness required to substain 400ft plus dive, our housing and all ports are rated at 300ft/90meters off the shelf but are upgradable to 425ft/130meters with some units on records has having gone down to 475ft routinely. That mean we cannot thin out the wall to the extend lower rated housing would, I realise it don't mean much for the average bloke, but it has made us a standard upon the technical diver groups, also our pins are made of stainless steel not plastic (are you out there Rusty :blink: ) pack up a 8 to 10 of thoses on a average housing and it also accounts for additional weight, but then again stainless steel does not shear off on a whim, you would have to be fairly brutal with the pins before they gave way. The housing is engineeredto be rugged and fairly simple to maintain in the field with a minimum of tooling. I realise it is not the housing for everyone, there is definitely some lighter and some smaller housings available, our design philosophy reflect a different approach based on user input, not a better or worse one, just a different angle on how to make underwater housing.

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We are a tad heavier due to the wall thickness required to substain 400ft plus dive, our housing and all ports are rated at 300ft/90meters off the shelf but are upgradable to 425ft/130meters with some units on records has having gone down to 475ft routinely. That mean we cannot thin out the wall to the extend lower rated housing would, I realise it don't mean much for the average bloke, but it has made us a standard upon the technical diver groups, also our pins are made of stainless steel not plastic (are you out there Rusty :) ) pack up a 8 to 10 of thoses on a average housing and it also accounts for additional weight, but then again stainless steel does not shear off on a whim, you would have to be fairly brutal with the pins before they gave way. The housing is engineeredto be rugged and fairly simple to maintain in the field with a minimum of tooling. I realise it is not the housing for everyone, there is definitely some lighter and some smaller housings available, our design philosophy reflect a different approach based on user input, not a better or worse one, just a different angle on how to make underwater housing.

 

I myself appreciate the thicker housing. One of the reasons I left L&M was because I started experiencing strange things past 200'. Not housing flex per say, but wierd electronic issues.

 

regardless, the reason im posting is I wasnt aware the Aquatica could be upgraded to 475' free of charge. I never saw anywhere on the aquatica literature or website mentioning this. Can a Aquatica owner send their housing back and get retrofitted if they would like to take advantage of this?

 

The reason im asking is that most of my technical diving is done in the 200-300' range, but it would be piece of mind if I ever plan on diving deeper.

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Just go to one or more shops, taking your camera with you, and try it out on Aquatica and Sea&Sea and you will see which one you like best. That's the best way for you to find out the "best valued" one for you depending on the cost of your money.

 

IMHO S&S is better finished, back in Brazil we have a lot of Sea&Sea's and Aquatica's housing.

At least for the model I use, D300 I would not trade a S&S housing for the Aquatica...

 

Good Luck

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Can a Aquatica owner send their housing back and get retrofitted if they would like to take advantage of this?

 

Absolutely, you can also do it yourself if you are handy with maintenance or have it sent to one of the authorized Service centre in your area. PM me and we can figure out what is the best way.

 

At least for the model I use, D300 I would not trade a S&S housing for the Aquatica...

 

Mariozi, I understand from visiting your website that you are partial to Sea & Sea and all, and that you want to promote their products, but we are talking about a 5D Mk II housing machined from solid, the D300 was a casting, hence heavier and bulkier, its like me comparing our 5D Mk II housing to the plastic Sea & Sea for the Rebel, its a Sea & Sea housing, but its not that Sea & Sea housing :)

 

Cheers

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