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I think there've been several watershed moments in the big boy war. The 1D series kicked Nikon's D2 series as did the 5D. Much of the migration started there. Then Nikon benefitted from the 1D Mark III series debacle and the FX series took off. Then came the 5D2 which knocked everyone's socks off.

Nikon will always be behind Canon because of the Canon budget. They can simply outspend Nikon into making better value products. Most stuff is in house so it's always going to be cheaper.

For Nikon, underwater seems to have an entrenched club because of the Nikonos strobe protocol. Whereby it's popular and widely supported. Not so the 6 pin Canon system, where it's so pathetic that only 1 strobe manufacturer handles most functions.

The flash system of Nikon is still ahead of Canon, which is ok but could be a lot better.

I do think with lenses you don't really lose the farm when changing brands but the camera bodies depreciate pretty quickly.

I actually don't want too many people to switch cos with no competition, Canon will sit on its butt and not innovate.

I think this camera could be a watershed moment in the Canon /Nikon competition thing. At least on paper this camera takes some significant steps past it's Nikon competitor the D300s, both for stills and video, and were I to be considering one of these 2 at this point and I did not have investment in any one system, the Canon would be a no brainer. What bothers me is that Nikon's D300 to D300s upgrade was so lame so that no longer are these guys just leapfrogging each other from one generation to the next that it does not really matter which system you buy. I've heard rumors that Nikon's next D700 will be a D700s and not a D700x, in other words just a lame upgrade of adding limited video to the D700. If that does happen, and the upgrade is not an upgrade to a 24MP camera with more advanced video capabilities, then the argument of D700s vs 5DMKII (already almost a year old) would again be a no brainer in Canon's favor. Even I as a diehard Nikon fan, would consider switching, because I could only see Nikon continuing to fall behind in the future, as they have in the past.

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I have always been a Canon guy ever since their F1 with the sportfinder in 1970's. The difficult choice then too was between the two, with Canon being more attractively priced in comparison to Nikon. Only Nikon products were my Nikonos III and V, because nobody else offered anything close to them and Nikon was very successful because of that monopoly in a niche market.

 

I take my hat off for Nikon to be willing to develop their professional underwater line back then, but understandingly them dropped it when digital came in. Fast forward 40 years and things have not changed. Canon continues to have these watershed moments when they can meet the need for value with the masses by offering hybrid options in every price range and leave the specialized niches to the 3rd party manufacturing. Let's face it, for them high end professional underwater camera gear is a low income niche market. Not worth all the expensive R&D (i'm talking SLR here not P&S).

 

The development of hybrids (still with HDvideo cams) will now challenge our need for new lighting options. Underwater photography is all about bringing down with you proper lighting. Now we need video and strobe lighting, hopefully in one compact package that can meet both needs on the same dive and allow easy switching between the two options. The topside features and options on the 7D scream for new underwater inclusions. How difficult would it be to include LED video lighting together with dedicated slave TTL from the camera master? I'm no engineer, but it must be possible? I think that old fashioned strobe cable systems with pins is outdated and old thinking. Fiber transmission seems more logical.

 

Maybe we should forget about strobes all together and just have (powerful, long burning, easy output adjusting) video lights. I have no experience trying to do this, maybe somebody here can provide any experience in this. I belief that this HD video option with Hybrids is going to change the rules for this ball game and offer new opportunities for those manufacturers that embrace it.

 

I'm hoping to have my hands on my 7D next week and see if there is any close housing fit, although I seriously doubt it. I may consider some DIY options if minor modifications seem possible and start saving for when housings become available in a year or so. Keep ya'll posted.

 

 

 

 

I think there've been several watershed moments in the big boy war. The 1D series kicked Nikon's D2 series as did the 5D. Much of the migration started there. Then Nikon benefitted from the 1D Mark III series debacle and the FX series took off. Then came the 5D2 which knocked everyone's socks off.

Nikon will always be behind Canon because of the Canon budget. They can simply outspend Nikon into making better value products. Most stuff is in house so it's always going to be cheaper.

For Nikon, underwater seems to have an entrenched club because of the Nikonos strobe protocol. Whereby it's popular and widely supported. Not so the 6 pin Canon system, where it's so pathetic that only 1 strobe manufacturer handles most functions.

The flash system of Nikon is still ahead of Canon, which is ok but could be a lot better.

I do think with lenses you don't really lose the farm when changing brands but the camera bodies depreciate pretty quickly.

I actually don't want too many people to switch cos with no competition, Canon will sit on its butt and not innovate.

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has anyone heard news already about housings for the 7D?

I already have ports and stuff from ikelite, but the customer service still can't confirm they will produce a housing for this cam...

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Not that its cloak and dagger, but the engineering dudes are pretty early in and usually late leaving these days, so I guess they got to be up to something already.

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Here's hoping. I'm seriously tempted by an Aquatica for the 7D......

Oh, and I hope it has optical connectors.

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has anyone heard news already about housings for the 7D?

I already have ports and stuff from ikelite, but the customer service still can't confirm they will produce a housing for this cam...

 

 

I think it is safe to assume that Ikelite will have one as all the other major housing manufacturers like Aquatica, since this camera seems pretty popular from the get go and is already on back order at many dealers after initial shipments. Luckily, I'm receiving mine tomorrow.

My choice of housing will be that one that allows easy use of all the outstanding new features of the camera and probably require some significant retooling of current designs. I'm curious to see how design engineers address the new needs.

 

Bo

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Hello,

 

We've heard from Aquatica, Sea & Sea, and Subal that they are planning to make housings. I know that Subal hopes to have a prototype to show at DEMA, depending on when they get their camera bodies. Ikelite is fairly certain, but we have not heard word from them officially.

 

We will stock housings from all of these brands as soon as they are shipping (and can order Seacam, if they produce one), which at this point will likely be end of the year/beginning of 2010. We also just received our first shipment of cameras this week.

 

Best regards,

 

Sterling

 

I think it is safe to assume that Ikelite will have one as all the other major housing manufacturers like Aquatica, since this camera seems pretty popular from the get go and is already on back order at many dealers after initial shipments. Luckily, I'm receiving mine tomorrow.

My choice of housing will be that one that allows easy use of all the outstanding new features of the camera and probably require some significant retooling of current designs. I'm curious to see how design engineers address the new needs.

 

Bo

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Amigos,

 

Played with a 7D at my local store yesterday (they got in 3 at 1:00 p.m. and 2 were gone by 3 p.m.!)

 

Very very nice....Viewfinder is incredible and feels as solid as any PRO camera to me.

 

 

Know it's not everyone's flavor but I believe Ikelite got one already and is working on it. I have many fellow Ike shooters already selling their 40D, 50D and Rebels because they can use APS-C Tokina 10-17mm Fisheye and others on the 7D.

 

Looks like a great choice for UW.....

 

dhaas

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Hi again,

 

Jim Decker, Backscatter CEO, had a chance to shoot some test footage with one of the 7D cameras that just arrived at the shop this week. Good news - the bitrate of the Quicktime files is even higher than the 5D Mark II!! In 1080p mode, the footage is encoded at 46 Mbps, and in 720p at 47 Mbps. This compared to 42 Mbps from the 5DMKII.

 

Also, toggling custom settings allows the frame rate to be set in 25p and 50p for PAL, in addition to the 24p, 30p and 60p for NTSC. 50p and 60p are only available in 720p mode, but still, this should be very interesting for shooting at higher frame rates and then re-conforming using Cinema Tools for slow motion effects.

 

We've yet to test high ISO footage, but this will be the next big factor to check out against the 5D Mark II, to see how the APS size sensor holds up. Hopefully the dual processors will make a difference in noise reduction.

 

Best regards,

 

Sterling

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Well, mine arrived this morning and I have been having one OMG!, OMG!, OMG! moments all day playing with it. (Remember this is a quantum leap from my D10). Just for the heck of it, I tried fitting it in my D10 Ikelite and only the mode control matches, so I need to start looking and saving for a new housing.

 

What is the normal average development time for a housing these days? I have not been in the new housing market for a long time. Guess I will research the housing development for the 5DmII and get some idea.

 

Off to bed with my new girl friend, my sweet 7D. :D

 

 

 

 

 

Amigos,

 

Played with a 7D at my local store yesterday (they got in 3 at 1:00 p.m. and 2 were gone by 3 p.m.!)

 

Very very nice....Viewfinder is incredible and feels as solid as any PRO camera to me.

 

 

Know it's not everyone's flavor but I believe Ikelite got one already and is working on it. I have many fellow Ike shooters already selling their 40D, 50D and Rebels because they can use APS-C Tokina 10-17mm Fisheye and others on the 7D.

 

Looks like a great choice for UW.....

 

dhaas

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What is the normal average development time for a housing these days? Off to bed with my new girl friend, my sweet 7D. :D

 

The 5DMkII took about 6 months last year. A little longer for supply to catch up with the orders. I would guess Ikelight to be first, with Aquatica and S&S following before the Subal. Plenty of time for you to get acquainted.

 

Congrats on your new relationship, hope you make each other very happy!

 

Steve

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Congrats on your new relationship, hope you make each other very happy!

 

Steve

 

 

Thanks Steve! My sweet 7D is now pregnant. I received the battery grip yesterday and it is huge. This daddy has to start lifting weights to carry this baby. :(

 

I'm still trying to put the camera through all it's available features. My brain is the limiting factor here.

 

I was pleased to see today's Nobel Prize announcement on recognizing the importance of the invention of the CCD and fiber technology. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09100601nobelprize.asp. After 50 years it is time to embrace this technology, you think?

 

Going to pull out of storage my ancient Oceanic Hydro35 housing and see if a mod and fitting can be made. I will report in the DIY forum if I try anything. :) We are off to our next adventure! :(

 

Bo

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No surprise here, but the Ikelite Canon chart now reads this alongside the Canon 7D:

 

"Prototype currently in development. Expected to be available by early November."

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No surprise here, but the Ikelite Canon chart now reads this alongside the Canon 7D:

 

"Prototype currently in development. Expected to be available by early November."

 

 

Yep, saw that also with excitement due to having lots of Ike's SLR housing stuff. I have started to really like using the 7D toggle/joystick (right of the finder) for fast focus, metering and other settings switching and would like it available in a housing. Ikelite did not include it with their 5Dm2 redesign/upgrade, but I hope they will with this housing.

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I'm looking to get this as soon as it comes out - hopefully in time for a Nov 11th dive trip (Isla Guadalupe). Given it doesn't look like Ikelite sells directly to folks, are there known vendors that typically can accomdate a quick turnaround from Ikelite?

 

Appreciate any assistance!

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Hi Rainmaker,

 

Your profile does not indicate your location in US, but I would suggest you try calling the closest vendors that supports Wetpixel here.

 

Just be prepared to pay for overnight shippng and keep your fingers crossed.

 

You leaving out of San Diego? Maybe have the housing ready waiting there for you?

 

Have fun and a great trip shooting sharks.

 

Bo

 

 

I'm looking to get this as soon as it comes out - hopefully in time for a Nov 11th dive trip (Isla Guadalupe). Given it doesn't look like Ikelite sells directly to folks, are there known vendors that typically can accomdate a quick turnaround from Ikelite?

 

Appreciate any assistance!

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I now have my very own 7D and have been playing with it in my modified Ikelite 5D housing (modified for 5D Mk II). Good news is it physically fits (just) and some of the controls line up pretty well. Shutter button is OK, and the dial by the shutter. The push buttons on the top, by the lcd don't really line up, but with modified control tips could probably me made to do so. Likewise for the buttons on the left of the lcd- they are definitely do-able with some minor mods. The worst alignment is the rear thumbwheel and 'set' button. But even these are probably 'bodgable'. It will definitely need a new push-button for the video start/stop, but I've done this before, so wouldn't be too bad. The new on/off switch would need a rotating control, but I probably wouldn't bother and just remember to switch the camera on before housing it.

 

Edit: Just realised that to switch between stills and video you need to be able to access the little ring switch around the video start/stop button. This would be a more complicated bit of work I think. The 7D has a couple of slightly awkward switches as far as housings are concerned. This will make the new housings more complicated than the 5D II housings.

 

Not sure yet if I'll actually make the mods, or wait for the proper housings to come out. Very tempted to get the 7D in the water during a planned Red Sea trip in November....especially as I can use the Tok 10-17 with it.

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Hi Rainmaker,

 

Your profile does not indicate your location in US, but I would suggest you try calling the closest vendors that supports Wetpixel here.

 

Just be prepared to pay for overnight shippng and keep your fingers crossed.

 

You leaving out of San Diego? Maybe have the housing ready waiting there for you?

 

Have fun and a great trip shooting sharks.

 

Bo

 

Appreciate the advice.

 

Indeed, San Diego (though live in DC). I picked a few places off the list of sponsors, and then one in San Diego. I was able to talk to some really sharp folks and have a better handle on whether or not a 7D case will realistically be available. Though, I'll probably know more next week. Now I just need to figure out all the ancillary parts and pieces I need. But I think I'll start a new thread on that once I get my research in order a bit. I don't want to end up at the dock and be missing some tiny $3 part. Obviously in a best case scenario I'd be able to test it all out in a pool prior, but unfortunately that may not be the case.

 

Thanks again!

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Appreciate the advice.

 

.....I don't want to end up at the dock and be missing some tiny $3 part. Obviously in a best case scenario I'd be able to test it all out in a pool prior, but unfortunately that may not be the case.

 

Thanks again!

 

 

My experience is that usually it is the 1 cent items, as a small o-ring or lock washer, become irreplaceable on a boat. Bring back-ups of these small items as well.

 

Pressure test the empty housing first. To save a dive and all the associated prep, I use a long weighted line with a snap attached to the empty housing. Just be sure to tie the end of the rope to the boat railing first before lowering it into the water... :P .

 

Good luck on your trip and hope to see your pics.

 

Bo

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Good to hear that you Ikelite 5D housing may be workable.

 

Although I would love to take the camera underwater right away, I'm going to wait and see what upcoming 7D housings will offer in control accessibility and their ergonomics.

 

An additional consideration for me is the ability to have my lighting for both video and still. There has to be a better way than the current options out there.

 

Bo

 

I now have my very own 7D and have been playing with it in my modified Ikelite 5D housing (modified for 5D Mk II). Good news is it physically fits (just) and some of the controls line up pretty well. Shutter button is OK, and the dial by the shutter. The push buttons on the top, by the lcd don't really line up, but with modified control tips could probably me made to do so. Likewise for the buttons on the left of the lcd- they are definitely do-able with some minor mods. The worst alignment is the rear thumbwheel and 'set' button. But even these are probably 'bodgable'. It will definitely need a new push-button for the video start/stop, but I've done this before, so wouldn't be too bad. The new on/off switch would need a rotating control, but I probably wouldn't bother and just remember to switch the camera on before housing it.

 

Edit: Just realised that to switch between stills and video you need to be able to access the little ring switch around the video start/stop button. This would be a more complicated bit of work I think. The 7D has a couple of slightly awkward switches as far as housings are concerned. This will make the new housings more complicated than the 5D II housings.

 

Not sure yet if I'll actually make the mods, or wait for the proper housings to come out. Very tempted to get the 7D in the water during a planned Red Sea trip in November....especially as I can use the Tok 10-17 with it.

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I received my 7d about a week ago and have been playing with it extensively. Absolutely beauty. To me, it has a much better feel to it too than the 5d II.

 

If all goes well, S&S will hopefully have a prototype housing at DEMA for the 7D!

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Novice here .

 

Looking for advise on lense options.

 

I'm assuming the tokina 10-17 for wide angle. This would leave a macro and perhaps all purpose wide angle zoom. I plan on purchasing the 7D kit which comes with the Ef 28-135IS. Thanks ahead of time for any advise.

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I received my 7d about a week ago and have been playing with it extensively. Absolutely beauty. To me, it has a much better feel to it too than the 5d II.

 

If all goes well, S&S will hopefully have a prototype housing at DEMA for the 7D!

 

Hi Mike,

 

I'm also having fun with my 7D and looking forward to having it housed. I have a question for you and others here that are in some way connected to the housing manufacturers. Where does the input to house design come from? Engineers talking to a few pro's? Actual time with the camera? Probably both.

 

Why am I asking? Well, being a mostly cold water diver I hate trying to push small buttons with my cold numb fingers. Most housings have become metal swiss cheese full with potential o-ring leaks and maintenance. Can we come up with something that does not penetrate the housing and allow more ergonomic button activation for real diving conditions? I think I read that Gates is trying magnetic switches or something, but that basic thinking "outside the box" appeals to me.

 

I know that I'm unreasonably greedy but not different than anybody else. I want it all and I want it reasonably affordable ^_^

 

Bo

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Novice here .

 

Looking for advise on lense options.

 

I'm assuming the tokina 10-17 for wide angle. This would leave a macro and perhaps all purpose wide angle zoom. I plan on purchasing the 7D kit which comes with the Ef 28-135IS. Thanks ahead of time for any advise.

 

Hi Johnsub,

 

I think you hit on the most common lens selection. The Tok1017 may in certain situations be too wide and a fast wide zoom in the 17-55 range may be useful with large marine life that is shy (hammerheads come to my mind here). Fast prime lenses should not be excluded from the list either. I will let others add to the list here.

 

 

To give you better advise, please tell us what type of diving you do most and what are you interested in capturing? Are you a cold or warm water diver? Deep tech? Large critter or Macro? Mostly diver shots? Available light photography? If not, what lighting do you have?

Before investing into expensive glass, be realistic to what you will most likely use the most and get showable results with.

 

Once I had the crazy idea to do extreme macro with my housed 2 1/4 Hassy. So I had extention tubes and custom port extenders, then found it was an impossible mission in local waters due to the micro depth of field and associated focus problems in even the smallest surge. Expensive experiment. Lots of lousy slides (I remember only 1 successful shot), but the housing looked impressive....LOL.

 

Hope my 2 cents is of any help to you,

 

Bo

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Hi Johnsub,

 

I think you hit on the most common lens selection. The Tok1017 may in certain situations be too wide and a fast wide zoom in the 17-55 range may be useful with large marine life that is shy (hammerheads come to my mind here). Fast prime lenses should not be excluded from the list either. I will let others add to the list here.

 

 

To give you better advise, please tell us what type of diving you do most and what are you interested in capturing? Are you a cold or warm water diver? Deep tech? Large critter or Macro? Mostly diver shots? Available light photography? If not, what lighting do you have?

Before investing into expensive glass, be realistic to what you will most likely use the most and get showable results with.

 

Once I had the crazy idea to do extreme macro with my housed 2 1/4 Hassy. So I had extention tubes and custom port extenders, then found it was an impossible mission in local waters due to the micro depth of field and associated focus problems in even the smallest surge. Expensive experiment. Lots of lousy slides (I remember only 1 successful shot), but the housing looked impressive....LOL.

 

Hope my 2 cents is of any help to you,

 

Bo

 

Bo,

 

 

Mainly warm water . Cozumel, Truk, Red Sea etc. Really want to go after whatever is out there. I've got some exploring to do. I have 3 DS125 strobes and thinking Aquatica or Ikelite for a housing . Best way to sum it up I want to be able to do it all understanding I will evaluate each dive environment and adjust the rig to meet my needs. Thanks for the reply

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