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This "male ego in the dive world" being referred to is simply a function of the age and type of divers in the group and has nothing to do with diving per se. Now that I take relatively long and pricey trips that draw a somewhat older crowd I rarely experience it, but when I dove a lot locally I experienced it all the time. It's not the diving, it's maturity. Sexism contributes nothing positive to diving or photography. Most of the photographers in my group are women.

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Well, Well, Well,

 

Doe, it really matter who you dive with as long you both have the

same reasons to get wet & you both get out safely & manage to

get some shots. Or am I missing something here, if you are passionate

about diving you would dive with anyone, I know I would, male, female,

martian. This sounds as bad as Im a padi diver & I don,t dive with any

other diving organisation because their training is not as good as mine.

You are not on this planet that long enjoy it & live it to the full I know I

do.

 

HAVE SAFE GREAT DIVES & TAKE GREAT PICS & ENJOY WHOEVER YOU

ARE WITH.

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OK Andy, did you grow up in the 70's? I love this line:

 

"ENJOY WHOEVER YOU ARE WITH."

 

Sounds good to me!

 

Cheers

James

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perfectly balanced chromium plated dual action stainless steel spring molebdinium carabiner to hold my polycarbonated streamlined triple barreled power boosted long range safety whistle.

Please tell me where I can purchase said carabiner and whistle. It sounds like something I really need.

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Well, I'm a single female photographer, and the last three liveaboards I went on had three types of passengers:

a) married couples

B) married men with sons or buddies

c) single women

Nary a single man amongst the passengers, save the crew. <_<

Back here in BC, it's about 60%- 40% men to women for divers. Since the advent of digital, I noticed a much larger number of men taking up photography here.

There was a point a few years ago that 45% of all new divers were women between 35 and 45. I do think more men stick with it, and therefore end up interested in taking photos.

 

Cheers,

Marli

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I am a woman diver and uw photographer. I started uw photography with a "water proof" throw-away camera about 8 years ago. They implode around 25' so I could only use them when free diving so eventually I bought a "real" uw camera. I dove with men and women and was single for a long time.

 

I met my S.O. at an uw photo club and we have been diving and shooting together for 5 years now. It does make your hobby much more fun when you can share it with someone special.

 

Dive and do your photography with friends or loved ones, male and female. It doesn't matter. And if you really want to find someone to share your hobby, try joining a club. ;-)

 

Kathy

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Jean, that's just too funny!!! But such is life, some gadgets just have that attraction factor and we cannot live without them. While some girls drop $800 on a pair of shoes in a heartbeat, some of us get arrythmia and lightheadedness from the thought of holding a new lens :blink:

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I've met a few single women on liveaboard trips. See lots of woman on day boats. my digiphotoseminar at sea rovers was around 25% female.

 

but, yeah. on the road, mostly: 40s, male, white.

 

single,

eric

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Thanks James,

 

In 1970 I was just about five years old, so you could say that I

did just about. Although I don,t remember much about it,what

I was tring to get across was that it doen,t matter who you dive

with as long as you both enjoy the experiance & get out safely.

Iv,e only been diving for about four & a half years & I have had

good & bad dives with both sexes. Just enjoy

 

 

 

CHEERS ANDY

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My girlfriend is very much into UW photography, but it is proobably because she is humouring me. I still do most of the gear preparation and cleaning, but she takes some brilliant photos.

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Hey Anthp, I gave up on buying the carabiner, I'll try to find an aerospace machinist to manufacture it for me, the whistle mmmm.... maybe I will try to make it from carbon fiber with an honeycomb core to save weight :blink:

 

Marjo, 800.00 $ for shoes.... you see guy's would buy them if you told them they are fuel carburated, air suspension with an auto ego inflator, gee I know I would! but leather shoes, I would divorce my wife :)

 

Hey Andy I grew up in the 70's was a teenager then, you see I don't remember much either, what a strange long trip it was :) Love the one your with, C,S,N & Y

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Couldn´t be bothered reading all the messages in this thread, but I'll add to it anyway. ;-)

 

Most of the divers I know are men. In the smaller group of more fanatic divers, women are much more common. If the fanaticism is directed towards "diving" and away from "equipment" they are all women.

 

All the recent live aboards I've been on have had two distinct groups of divers: Single men and couples (with few exceptions). The single men are often more experienced divers than the couples are, but in between dives I'm kind of happy those couples are there.

 

A, perhaps, surprisingly large percentage of dive masters I've encountered have been women. Generally I've been very happy with them, and that's because they've done a good job. Not because they looked good, or ran around in bikinis. The, no comparison, best dive master I've ever had was a woman. The few dive masters I have been genuinly unhappy with have all been (macho) male.

 

/Anders

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http://www.divegirl.com/

 

the ultimate resource to find out where all the girly's will be diving this year !!

 

hmm there should be a website dedicated for dive girls, with gallery pages and competitions with prizes for free photo shoots with me in Cayman.

 

I think I have a winner here boys.

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Like Craig, I'm starting to feel sickened by the content in this thread (from the overtly sexist parts, I mean).

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I am the only girl my parents had after having 3 boys. My Dad and brothers took me to their local dive instructor when I was eleven and said enough snorkelling time for diving. I never looked back. I got my first job diving in our local aquarium cleaning the inside of the ocean/shark tank and doing the live feeds for the tourist I was 15 when I started this job, they couldn't find anyone else male or female to dive in 9degree celcius water in winter for 3 hours cleaning. I couldn't afford a drysuit so I did it in a 5mm and I loved it. I have since logged around 1700 dives. I worked in Cairns at one of the leading underwater camera specialist wholesalers, my boss preferred having me as a woman doing the sales as I wasn't so gung ho, cocky and I landed a lot more sales, I built great relationships for the company.

I think I don't post as much as some of the guys because if I have a question I seek out the most knowledgable person I know on the subject here in Australia or overseas call or email directly and get their help if they have the time.

I worked in the Solomons in 1995 for 15months as a Divemaster/Instructor and fill in hostess on three of the liveaboards there and the clients I had I would like to think had an enjoyable time with me without the need for strapping cocky male divemaster.

I love my diving, love my photography just as much, i love the fact that my son is just three and snorkells like a demon.

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i love the fact that my son is just three and snorkells like a demon.

 

That is SO cool! Thanks for sharing your experiences with us Kam.

 

James

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I taught diving for years as a private instructor who went to people's homes and did the living room thing and then the pool work in their pools. It was usually no more than four people because I felt the ratio of 8:1 with no divemaster was stupid. And as for male or female dominance, I have to say that in most cases the women turned out much stronger divers than the men, and I usually had at least 50/50, but more often than not more women than men in my classes. I have never failed a woman in a scuba class but I did fail two men in my career. Let's face it, women are starting to become more risk takers than in the 60's, 70's and even in the 80's. With Fear Factor and shows like that, we men will probably even out with the women as shared "dominance". Women have different physiological make up than men and endurance between the two sexes is a factor. So the dude makes five dives in a day and the woman makes two. Does that make men more dominent? In my opinion, not at all.

 

Joe

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I don't think the difference in the number of dives a day is that great except for the younger ages. Not that many guys will do 5 dives a day consistently and many girls will do more than 2. Don't see how it matters in any case. Again, men and women in my group are more alike in their abilities than different. Sexism and macho dive behavior are found in cheaper trips and younger age groups.

 

We don't need ways to divide or differentiate our community. If this is such a "male dominated" area perhaps we should consider what discourages women from participating. Referring to them as "dive chicks" might be one of those things.

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From a dive club point of view the whole more males than females thing has been a pet study for a while. In the OW courses we run the ratio is normally 50/50, sometimes as much as 60/40 in the girls favour in some years.

 

The difference is retention, for various reasons:

-diving is hard work a fair bit of the time, especially here in temperate waters. Females are, in general, less likely to be willing to deal with all the lifting and and pulling associated with it all.

-there's the machismo thing as mentioned, boys and their toys, and the tendency to try and outdo one another on occasion.

-this leads to the next one: being a male dominated sport leads to it being a male dominated sport. Women are less likely to want to be involved in a group that is male dominated

-girls seem much more likely to give up diving if they find a non-diving partner. Guys will either convert their partner, or just sneak off every now and again to go for a dive. In the group of guys I do deep dives with there's an unofficial 'dive widows' group who meets regularly. Some of them dive recreationally, making it easier to find suitable holidays and similar. Yes, there are always exceptions, but of the group of 20 people (about 50/50) I was diving with 10 years ago none of the girls have dived since they found a non-diving partner, and most of the guys still dive somewhere, even if it's only occasionally. I've heard the statement 'oh, I'd never stop diving for a boyfriend' get turned around a few months later so many times it's almost laughable. On the other hand it might take a few months, but the boys normally come wandering back once things have calmed down, either given a leave pass for the weekend, or booking their new lady in for a course.

 

Over time this leads to a lack of experienced female divers, which is sad, because they definitely make things much more interesting!

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This is about numbers of male u/w photographers, NOT their talent level.

 

Perhaps there are more male u/w photographers because of a mixture of natural selection and training.

I want it

I need it

I cannot live without it

If you loved me you would….

Add beagle eyes, pouting expression, other similar body language

 

What guy reading this forum has not said these lines…how many time? A dozen, a hundred, hundreds? Before the days of ‘the pill’, there was a much higher probability of guys that were good at these and similar lines being able to reproduce. Over thousands of yrs of this reproduction, we have men that have been naturally selected to be GOOD at these and similar lines. Genetically programmed beggers!

Add the training of yrs using and perfecting these lines during formative periods to this natural selection and you have the perfect specimen for u/w photography.

 

These same lines (and their cousins) are the one’s the u/w photographer uses over and over to obtain dive gear, camera gear, computer gear, etc. There is no reasonable justification or logic for these purchases. It is begging to obtain a desired outcome, pure and simple. But the women u/w photographers have not had the eons of natural selection nor the previous ‘begging experience’ throughout their formative yrs when compared their male counterparts. Thus perhaps it is far more difficult for the women to obtain the absurd about of gear required to participate in this addiction.

 

Thus there are more male u/w photographers because it is natural for there to be.

Again, this says NOTHING about the quality of the u/w photographers. My poor work is a perfect example of that fact.

 

Now, do others see any logic to this argument or am I just blowing bubbles upstream?

 

Dave

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Theres no chauvinists like male chauvinists like those chauvinists I KNOWWWWWWW !!!! :vava:

 

Dive safe (wear a rubber...suit)

 

Dean(i love the ladies)B

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Theres no chauvinists like male chauvinists like those chauvinists I KNOWWWWWWW !!!! :P

 

Dive safe (wear a rubber...suit)

 

Dean(i love the ladies)B

 

Rather tame response there. Bopped in when I saw your name and figured you be pointing to some suspect photos around here the last couple of days, and conclude it is neither male nor female dominated :)

 

Instead you are singing show tunes. :vava:

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Instead you are singing show tunes. :vava:

 

I think I prefer DeanB's show tunes to that other cr*p about women ... and I HATE show tunes :P

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I think I prefer DeanB's show tunes to that other cr*p about women ... and I HATE show tunes :vava:

 

Hey Leander sorry we missed you on Jervis Bay weekend before last. Plenty of great lady divers on board Ocean Trek that trip.

cheers

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Hey Leander sorry we missed you on Jervis Bay weekend before last. Plenty of great lady divers on board Ocean Trek that trip.

cheers

 

Hey Darren, yeah sorry too. Hmmm I had a little problem with my boat ... my buddies wanted steering :vava:

 

Heard you had a good weekend?? I hope the vis was kind :P

 

generally I think we have a pretty even mix in Jervis Bay ... in fact the girls might just pip the guys ... but none of the other girls are here on wp ...

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