Steve Douglas 16 Posted January 13, 2010 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/red-sca...prise-hands-on/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeanB 19 Posted January 13, 2010 Still not sold on this ... Looks good and I dig the 'remote' ... But its just one thing after the other ... Dive safe DeanB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 13, 2010 Steve, the prototype Ted was showing is a mockup, a non working prototype. It's hardly arrived, unfortunately. At least stage 2 of Epic will start in April according to Red plan. The few people who are in stage 1 aren't saying much, which is part of their NDA but still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike L 0 Posted January 13, 2010 I held and played with the dummy model a couple of months ago. Nice, but I doubt we will even see a production Scarlett this year. I wont hold my breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rlmalisz 0 Posted January 14, 2010 I held and played with the dummy model a couple of months ago. Nice, but I doubt we will even see a production Scarlett this year. I wont hold my breath. Or as was once said to another Scarlet, "Frankly, dear, I don't give a damn". I guess now I can start thinking about buying a car or a yacht again instead. This thing appears to be Gone With the Wind--or made of hot air. --Richard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealDrew 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Looks cool, and looks like something totally different from each of the other items I have seen over the last two years. There was a video clip from last year where it looked radically different than what was the "original" and this new one looks like what the first one seemed to be. At some point it can be great and if it is that form factor (finally) it is intriguing. But it really is vaporware to a large degree. Of course when it is finally released I will probably think about it anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonny shaw 16 Posted January 14, 2010 I don't really see the point in walking into a room and showing people a mock up of something which doesn't actually work. I have a sneaky feeling that RED think that people are moving away from their 'phenomenon' and so they are trying to keep interest up. Who knows when it comes out it may be amazing..... however if and when are the big questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Well the point is that a RAW compressed code at 1080 or 2-5k resolution will be awesome. With the R1, they were stepping into an arena that wanted higher resolution in the below $50k region. The use of PL mounts etc made it easier. Sony owned the market with the entrenched HDCAM format. The F23 proved to be as good or better than the R1 in everything except price and form factor. It's still one of the cheaper 2-4k cameras. Most 3-4k cameras are over 6 figures. The Scarlet is I think vital to Red's profitability as a low cost, high volume seller is always welcome in any company portfolio. But now they are delving into the realm of big companies with years of experience in AF mount. The great thing is they can redesign the form factor to suit the hybrid capabilities. The Bomb EVF and UI shows the possibilities. Still they are working with data rates and processors that use a lot of power and produce a lot of heat, not to mention lower cost SLC memory which can handle the data rates. I suspect they are being held up because of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealDrew 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Well the point is that a RAW compressed code at 1080 or 2-5k resolution will be awesome. With the R1, they were stepping into an arena that wanted higher resolution in the below $50k region. The use of PL mounts etc made it easier. Sony owned the market with the entrenched HDCAM format. The F23 proved to be as good or better than the R1 in everything except price and form factor. It's still one of the cheaper 2-4k cameras. Most 3-4k cameras are over 6 figures.The Scarlet is I think vital to Red's profitability as a low cost, high volume seller is always welcome in any company portfolio. But now they are delving into the realm of big companies with years of experience in AF mount. The great thing is they can redesign the form factor to suit the hybrid capabilities. The Bomb EVF and UI shows the possibilities. Still they are working with data rates and processors that use a lot of power and produce a lot of heat, not to mention lower cost SLC memory which can handle the data rates. I suspect they are being held up because of that. No doubt on alot of that. And I think they are great in terms of building hype. I bought into it myself. But fool me once shame one you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me 1,200,283 and who the heck knows. If it was pretty much anything else in the world in which we all run, none of us would have cared less at this point (meaning the next vaporware) But we all want to believe. They like to "pump it up," which is okay to some degree, but at some point you need to .. ahem... have a bowel movement or get off the pot. Sure they can keep designing or whatnot, and it is all smoke (like I said I may buy one anyway ), but they gotta be real careful. Though the "Red" fanboys prop them, eventually Nikon and Canon are gonna be so far past them they will be passe. How long before Canon or Nikon is making the next leap? Full AF or anything else? 720/P60 in a basic Rebel with manual control? Or the next 60D? The Canon 5D Mark II, as you said, is being used now at some pretty nice levels. And it exists, For awhile. (Psssssst. If the Scarlet is really that small and does what it says. I want one ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lemon 0 Posted January 18, 2010 But have you seen the sample footage of the new M-X sensor at 2000 ISO as shot by David Fincher with Leonardo Dicaprio that is here: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39998 The noise levels are sick! And you can't really call this vaporware as it is going out as a sensor upgrade to existing R1s quite soon. This is from the same sensor that will be in the Scarlet. I think this certainly blows away my 7D. I guess I'm still one of their zombie followers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted January 18, 2010 Lemon, you can do that with a 5D2... at 1/20th of the price of a R1 with MX or even. Sure it's not 2k (more like 0.7k) but for everyone from film school to low budget indy... that's just plain awesome... so long as they don't do a quick pan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lemon 0 Posted January 18, 2010 Lemon, you can do that with a 5D2... at 1/20th of the price of a R1 with MX or even. Sure it's not 2k (more like 0.7k) but for everyone from film school to low budget indy... that's just plain awesome... so long as they don't do a quick pan I hear ya. I'm not sure you'd get such a noise free low-light with the canon h.264 though, do you? Believe me, i'm a huge canon fan. I own the 7d and am waiting on the next gen full-frame from canon - 5dmk3? I'm really excited about the possibilities of the fixed 2/3" Scarlet for underwater work though. I believe the reset time on the m-x sensor is like 5microsec and is about equaling film in terms of eliminating rolling shutter. then there's the 120 fps w/ 150fps burst rate. AF, etc. not using h.264, no line skipping, etc. and lets not forget the noise improvements from downsampling footage from 3k to 1080p. etc, etc. (realizing this is all a beaten horse, but i'm still very excited!) I love the VDSLRs as well, i guess i'm still a huge red fan though. of course considering that i've only ever shot underwater with a sony hc9, i think you can see how any of these cameras seem like quantum leaps up technology and performance wise! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealDrew 0 Posted January 18, 2010 I love the VDSLRs as well, i guess i'm still a huge red fan though. That is why we need to buy them all Not sure when the next 5D will come out, but pretty sure Scarlet will be out before that one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted August 21, 2010 An update on the Scarlet has been released on the red website including pricing and features updates: And no, it's still stillborn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeanB 19 Posted August 21, 2010 Well it looks impressive and i'm sure peeps will dig deep however, for me, its just not needed... Be good to see the results and exactly how much to sink this baby... Dive safe DeanB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealDrew 0 Posted August 21, 2010 Well it looks impressive and i'm sure peeps will dig deep however, for me, its just not needed... As I mentioned in January: eventually Nikon and Canon are gonna be so far past them they will be passe. How long before Canon or Nikon is making the next leap? Full AF or anything else? 720/P60 in a basic Rebel with manual control? Well that Rebel has now been out since February for SRLP of $900. The Nikon and others have implemented AF. Wonder when Canon and Nikon will be releasing a RAW vDSLR . I am not going to say wouldn't want a Scarlet over a vDSLR, but vDSLRs are progressing pretty fast. Yeah, of course technology changes, but it has been almost 2-1/2 years or so since I first thought of getting a Scarlet. If I had been shooting Scarlet for that time I would have chalked up the new changes on the vDSLR side as being "things caught up, to be expected." Now the price/features gap has changed in my mind. Who knows Dean, maybe you will have to talk me down from the ledge when the Scarlet comes out, but I have a feeling that will not be the case. BTW Dean, you gotta check out the video posted in this thread if you haven't looked yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeanB 19 Posted August 21, 2010 BTW Dean, you gotta check out the video posted in this thread if you haven't looked yet. ... Don't upset ViDSLR users their a touchy bunch Dive safe DeanB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
