DS-50 vs DS-125 vs YS90

[JohnJohnsonIII 0]

I have been looking at getting a strobe for some time now and am looking at the Ikelite DS-50 or DS-125 pr the Sea And Sea YS-90. I am really not sure what to go with. I have an Olympus 5050 and an Oly Housing, so I am looking at shooting in slave mode. I was thinking about getting the DS-125, but when I went on a dive the other day with the Hawaii Underwater Photographic Society I noticed that almost EVERYONE was using Ikelites of some sort(mostly DS-50s). Nobody had the DS-125. What are the advantages of the DS-125 over the DS-50? Also, I ran into somebody today who had a YS-90 on his 5050 setup. He was thrilled with it. He said he had used another strobe before, but it had a hotspot. He said the light from his YS90 was very evenly distributed. He seemed quite happy with it. So I am in a quandry as to what to get. Any suggestions? Thanks!

 

--John

[Swordfish 1]

Check this for a comparison of the strobes you mentioned plus the Inon models:

http://www.digitaldiver.info/images/strobe...rticlescrn2.pdf

 

Regards,

Norman/Swordfish

[Peter Schulz 1]

A seldom mentioned feature of the DS - 125 is its fast recycle time.

 

With Ikelite DS 125 strobes, I can set the Drive mode to Sequential* and take pictures at about 1 per second in bursts of two or three pictures while keeping the shutter button depressed. And the strobes keep firing! There are a lot of action shots where this capability has gotten me pictures I would not otherwise have.

 

*Sequential mode - Focus, exposure and white balance are locked at the first frame. Approx. 11 frames at 1.7 frames/sec. (in HQ mode).

[tshepherd 0]

John,

 

Just to qualify my answers, let me start by saying I've currently got the DS-50, and will most likely be upgrading to or adding a DS-125 in the near future.

 

There are pros and cons to both the -50 and -125.

 

The DS-50 is a great little strobe, especially when you've got one of the P&S cameras like the Oly 5050. Add the manual controller and you've got a very nice, compact adjustable strobe. Another nice feature is the fact that you can use AA batteries instead of a proprietary battery pack and charger. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to keep a spare set of AA batteries in your bag than an extra battery pack for "emergencies". I never used rechargeables in my -50, simply because it didn't go through that many batteries. In the course of 15-20 dives in Cozumel last year shooting on Full power, I went through two sets of batteries if I remember correctly.

 

The downside to the -50 is that if you plan to upgrade to any housing / camera combo where you can't use the optical TTL sensor or the camera doesn't shoot in TTL like the Fuji S2, the strobe becomes somewhat limiting. Case in point, the strobe worked great with my Sony DSC-S85 / Ikelite housing, but it's more limited with my Canon D60 / S&S.

 

The reason I'm going to add a -125 is for wide angle. The decision I have to make is whether I want to replace my -50 or add a -125 to my setup and keep the -50. The -125 has significantly wider coverage than the -50. It also has some level of adjustability built in, so there's less of a need to add a manual controller if you want to shoot manual. The rechargeable battery pack is both a plus and minus in my mind. I like the concept of rechargeable batteries, but not having used them, I'm not sure how they'll work out when diving 3-5 dives / day.

 

Brings up some interesting questions for the -125 users. Do you carry an extra battery pack if you only have one strobe? And do you have the normal or fast charger?

 

Hope this helps...

Tom

[kthan 0]

The downside to the -50 is that if you plan to upgrade to any housing / camera combo where you can't use the optical TTL sensor or the camera doesn't shoot in TTL like the Fuji S2, the strobe becomes somewhat limiting.

Hi tshepard

 

As James and others have pointed out many times, the S2 does shoot in TTL. That is the reason I choose the S2 over the D100

 

Another feature I like about the DS-125 is the built-in Modelling light. It functions as a torch for night dives. I was wondering how I could carry a torch while diving with my camera at night and not get in the way for taking pictures. The DS-125 solve this problem for nite dives.

 

Eric

[tshepherd 0]

Sorry, I worded that poorly. What I meant to say is that if you either have:

1. A camera that can't use the wireless sensor, i.e. not a transparent housing

2. A camera that doesn't work with normal TTL strobes like the S2 does.

 

Anyhow...

[james 0]

I've used all three strobes and the difference is mainly in the coverage. The DS125 is a MUCH wider coverage strobe than the others, due to the fact that it has a round flash tube, and a curved white reflector behind the element. The other two strobes have straight flash tubes and different reflectors.

 

The comparison photos from the article at digitaldiver are good for comparison purposes, but do not reflect the strobes' actual coverage. This is because the strobes have domes on the front which will yield a MUCH greater light spread when used in a water medium, as opposed to air.

 

Cheers

James

[herbko 0]

The comparison photos from the article at digitaldiver are good for comparison purposes, but do not reflect the strobes' actual coverage. This is because the strobes have domes on the front which will yield a MUCH greater light spread when used in a water medium, as opposed to air.

You're right this needs to be tested underwater. The Inon Z220 also has a dome on the front so I don't know what the out come will be. You and Craig should go find a swimming pool and do a couple of side-by-side shots.

 

What is easy to tell is the Z220 is about 1/3 the size and weight of the DS125. The Z220 runs on 4 AA cells which I also consider an advantage.

[james 0]

Hi Herb,

 

Craig has a pool. We are gearing up to do the strobe tests, as well as some housing/lens/dome tests ala Lee Peterson.

 

Cheers

James

[scubag 0]

James and Gang,

 

I would love to see your tests u/w. Since I own and use both DS-50 and DS 125 strobes which is right for you can vary from dive to dive. I use the DS-50's for macro and fish portraits with double segment 6" arms. The small size allows me to get into tight spaces and easily control light placement with a homemade scrim (a shade if you will) The biggest problem with the 50's is slow (3-4+ sec) recycle time. The DS-125's have a much wider, even beam angle, perfect for my Cp-5000 with Nikkor 19mm lens, plus the modeling lights and faster (1 sec) recycle time, but are bulkier and heavier (negatively buoyant) I fixed some buoyancy issues by wrapping the strobe heads and double segment 12" Ikelite arms with wraps of 7mm neoprene which I was given by Body Glove.

 

Like I said before, which is best is all personal preference. If I could only choose 1 strobe though, it would be the DS-125.

 

Doug

[mondo 1]

Brings up some interesting questions for the -125 users. Do you carry an extra battery pack if you only have one strobe? And do you have the normal or fast charger?

Hi

 

I use DS125s as my primary strobes. Have 2 of them, plus an extra battery pack

 

I also have 2 chargers so that I have some redundancy

 

Cant recommend these strobes highly enough. Just excellent.

[Claude 0]

Mondo... have you tried the DS125 with your f80S ? If yes, do you think it's a good strobe for film cameras ???

Thanks

Claude

[mondo 1]

Oh yes - the DS125 is a remarkable strobe - quick recycle, built in modelling light, quick recharge.

 

Really like them very much

[herbko 0]

Wait for the tests from Craig and James. The Inon Z220 will put out around the same power at 1/3 the size and weight. Swapping out 4 AA cells is much faster than recharging.

[Cybergoldfish 1]

Great test you did Herb in a prior DD thread... Very graphic and more than proves the case for Inon. I'm getting 4 x 220's.

 

"INON ROCK!"

[kthan 0]

Anyone tried the Inon 220 with S2 in Ikelite Housing? According to Inon USA, they have not tested the TTL functionality.

 

Eric

[Cybergoldfish 1]

The TTL works Perfectly well with 90x's but not too sure on the DTTL front. This will have to wait a few weeks for personal experimentation.

 

Maybe James can borrow 2 of Craigs and test it in his pool?

[JohnJohnsonIII 0]

Thanks for all the suggestions, guys! I look forward to the pool tests to see how the Ikelite DS125s compare against the Inon 220...thanks!

 

--John

[Gazzer 0]

At the end of the day you need to think about what you will use the strobe for. Comparing the DS125 and the DS50/YS90 is like comparing a Nissan to a Mercedes. Both do the same job but the more expensive one will do it quicker, smoother and offer some opportunities that the cheaper one will not!

 

For serious wide angle only the DS125 will do (or multiple smaller strobes) and if the strobe fits your budget it will make a great macro strobe as well. The 100deg angle is a great advantage. If macro and portraits feature highly then the DS50/YS90 will work just fine. My preference would be for the DS50. This strobe will work happily in TTL mode with compatible camera or in manual mode via Ikelites EV controller.

 

Nobody so far has mentioned quality of construction as a deciding factor for strobes. For me Ikelite make strobes which frankly don't look like much, but they are well over engineered. Pay particulr attention to the battery compartments and covers. Ikelites are simple, robust and very difficult to mess up. The DS50 is almost impossible to flood! (I know somebody out there will prove me wrong!)Same can't be said for some of the Japanese strobes. I do not like the Sea & Sea's quarter turn locking ring, seems like a system which will eventually go wrong. I use them myself without trouble so far but one day....... Other strobes I have seen from Inon & Epoque could best be described as very flimsly when compared to Ikelite. In the days before digital Nikon made some great quality strobes as well. Units which were truly designed to take quite a few knocks & scrapes underwater and in the dive boat.........just a thought!

[craig 0]

At the end of the day you need to think about what you will use the strobe for. Comparing the DS125 and the DS50/YS90 is like comparing a Nissan to a Mercedes. Both do the same job but the more expensive one will do it quicker, smoother and offer some opportunities that the cheaper one will not!

 

For serious wide angle only the DS125 will do (or multiple smaller strobes) and if the strobe fits your budget it will make a great macro strobe as well. The 100deg angle is a great advantage. If macro and portraits feature highly then the DS50/YS90 will work just fine. My preference would be for the DS50. This strobe will work happily in TTL mode with compatible camera or in manual mode via Ikelites EV controller.

 

Nobody so far has mentioned quality of construction as a deciding factor for strobes. For me Ikelite make strobes which frankly don't look like much, but they are well over engineered. Pay particulr attention to the battery compartments and covers. Ikelites are simple, robust and very difficult to mess up. The DS50 is almost impossible to flood! (I know somebody out there will prove me wrong!)Same can't be said for some of the Japanese strobes. I do not like the Sea & Sea's quarter turn locking ring, seems like a system which will eventually go wrong. I use them myself without trouble so far but one day....... Other strobes I have seen from Inon & Epoque could best be described as very flimsly when compared to Ikelite. In the days before digital Nikon made some great quality strobes as well. Units which were truly designed to take quite a few knocks & scrapes underwater and in the dive boat.........just a thought!

The most commonly flooded item among my group are Ike 50 battery compartments. Would not own one if it was offered for free. The DS125 is another matter. I expect strobes to be virtually failproof. Use that as your standard.

 

Describing an Inon strobe as flimsy compared to an Ikelite should be a clear indicator to everyone of the credibility of this entire post. I urge everyone to take a careful look at an Inon strobe then judge.

 

Inon strobes are of superior design and construction. That will be clear to anyone who looks at one.

[Gazzer 0]

At the end of the day you need to think about what you will use the strobe for. Comparing the DS125 and the DS50/YS90 is like comparing a Nissan to a Mercedes. Both do the same job but the more expensive one will do it quicker, smoother and offer some opportunities that the cheaper one will not!

 

For serious wide angle only the DS125 will do (or multiple smaller strobes) and if the strobe fits your budget it will make a great macro strobe as well. The 100deg angle is a great advantage. If macro and portraits feature highly then the DS50/YS90 will work just fine. My preference would be for the DS50. This strobe will work happily in TTL mode with compatible camera or in manual mode via Ikelites EV controller.

 

Nobody so far has mentioned quality of construction as a deciding factor for strobes. For me Ikelite make strobes which frankly don't look like much, but they are well over engineered. Pay particulr attention to the battery compartments and covers. Ikelites are simple, robust and very difficult to mess up. The DS50 is almost impossible to flood! (I know somebody out there will prove me wrong!)Same can't be said for some of the Japanese strobes. I do not like the Sea & Sea's quarter turn locking ring, seems like a system which will eventually go wrong. I use them myself without trouble so far but one day....... Other strobes I have seen from Inon & Epoque could best be described as very flimsly when compared to Ikelite. In the days before digital Nikon made some great quality strobes as well. Units which were truly designed to take quite a few knocks & scrapes underwater and in the dive boat.........just a thought!

The most commonly flooded item among my group are Ike 50 battery compartments. Would not own one if it was offered for free. The DS125 is another matter. I expect strobes to be virtually failproof. Use that as your standard.

 

Describing an Inon strobe as flimsy compared to an Ikelite should be a clear indicator to everyone of the credibility of this entire post. I urge everyone to take a careful look at an Inon strobe then judge.

 

Inon strobes are of superior design and construction. That will be clear to anyone who looks at one.

Wow...that certainly got a reaction......your Inon shares plummeted did they

 

In reply. Look at the battery cover of the DS50. It's a flat cover with the 'O' ring built in. No need for greese as it is only in compression. Make sure there are no hairs/particles, tighten up the large knob your done. A child could do it!

 

The DS50 body, as you will be aware, has been around in different guises for more than 10 years (probably way way more, Ike can you help here!). I have one that must be easily that old. It's been on hundreds of dives. I can't imagine how you could flood it. Of course if certain divers were removing the non removeable 'O' ring then maybe......??

 

Sorry if I hurt your Inon sensitivities. I was only expressing my opinion. If you ever have the chance, place an Ikelite DS50 a DS125 a Nikonos SB105 a YS90 and any other Japanaese strobe on a table in front of you. Evaluate the quality of construction, the thickness of the pastic mouldings used, the design of the battery compartments, the mounting for the strobe arm. Look passed the glossy colours, the nice transfers, flashing lights and knobs! I did and my conclusion was as stated.

 

Please allow others to have an opinion on this forum. I have no motive other than to answer a question posted on this board regarding DS50/DS125/YS90.........Inon was not even mentioned!

[craig 0]

Wow...that certainly got a reaction......your Inon shares plummeted did they

 

In reply. Look at the battery cover of the DS50. It's a flat cover with the 'O' ring built in. No need for greese as it is only in compression. Make sure there are no hairs/particles, tighten up the large knob your done. A child could do it!

 

The DS50 body, as you will be aware, has been around in different guises for more than 10 years (probably way way more, Ike can you help here!). I have one that must be easily that old. It's been on hundreds of dives. I can't imagine how you could flood it. Of course if certain divers were removing the non removeable 'O' ring then maybe......??

 

Sorry if I hurt your Inon sensitivities. I was only expressing my opinion. If you ever have the chance, place an Ikelite DS50 a DS125 a Nikonos SB105 a YS90 and any other Japanaese strobe on a table in front of you. Evaluate the quality of construction, the thickness of the pastic mouldings used, the design of the battery compartments, the mounting for the strobe arm. Look passed the glossy colours, the nice transfers, flashing lights and knobs! I did and my conclusion was as stated.

 

Please allow others to have an opinion on this forum. I have no motive other than to answer a question posted on this board regarding DS50/DS125/YS90.........Inon was not even mentioned! 

My "Inon shares" didn't plummet on any comment from you.

 

I'll let the o-ring specialists that exist here address the problem in greater detail, but the square door and the compression o-ring design make it difficult to get even pressure on the seal. A captured o-ring is better and is self-cleaning. I grease it once per trip. The Inon battery compartment is so vastly superior to the 50 that it's stupid to even have a dicsussion over it. Longevity in a product is not automatically a testament to its quality.

 

I've had experience with the strobes you mention. Of all of them, the Inon is clearly of the finest construction. I've loaned my strobes to others. It's the quickest way to convince them of the quality. From your comments I doubt you've ever seen an Inon strobe.

 

Finally, you were the one who brought up Inon. I quote:

 

Other strobes I have seen from Inon & Epoque could best be described as very flimsly when compared to Ikelite.

 

Being a thread on Ike vs. S&S, I didn't comment. Your uninformed bashing on Inon is what drew a response. As I said before, I encourage anyone to look an Inon strobe before judging. I don't need to sell it, but there's no reason to let an ignorant comment toward one pass, either.

 

I'd be happy considering an Ike strobe but not anything less than the 200. I believe the Z220 is a better choice than anything smaller than the 200.

[Cybergoldfish 1]

I certainly wouldn't consider buying crap, and have had all the manufacturered units over the years I can speak with some experience. Laying everything out on the table that has been suggested has brought me to the conclusion that the Inon 220's are certainly at the top of their class and the reason I am purchasing four of them.

 

The quality of design & construction is as good as anything, and the knobs and dials mentioned are great - allowing swapping between both digital and film cameras without costly additions and messing around.

Coverage-wise; the graphic test that Herb Ko conducted proves their performance too.

 

Using the units extensively in Lembeh REALLY sold them for me, great colour and coverage with accurate TTL and manual adjustments.

 

Size is an important factor too if travelling a lot - I can lose 4 in my kit without any hassle what-so-ever.

Yes, they look weird and unconventional: BUT, if you sat down and designed a comprehensive all-in-one strobe unit, it would turn out like this.

[wetpixel 0]

I have heard nothing but excellent words about the Inon 180 and 220 strobes. Gazzer, have you actually used the current crop of Inon strobes?

[ikelite 0]

I will object to the ridiculous "The most commonly flooded item among my group are Ike 50 battery compartments" comment made by Craig. Tens and tens of thousands of this series have proven to be absolute work horse strobes for almost twenty years. Battery compartment leaking is actually rare, always customer carelessness, and strobe electronics are isolated if it happens.