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As I follow some of the threads on the video forum, I am lead to believe that video people are smarter than stills people, and folks doing VDSLR are stills people trying to be smart.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? :D

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When I was trying to figure out what I wanted to start with; video or stills, I thought "where is the challenge to video? You just point and push the button, dah". But now that I am salivating over what VDSLR to buy...Both groups have the clueless like myself, to those with great eyes for composition and then the enviable group who get composition and understand the tech. I call it a tie, lol.

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I do think they are more nerdy though; but then nerds rule the world. :D

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From my experience, there's a bit of friction between the two camps (but posts like this don't help.)

 

Video and stills use all the same principles and shouldn't be classed any different.

 

For video you still need a handle on compositional rules, exposure and the like, but you also need to take into account a few more aspects that are not relevant in stills photography. Does that make them smarter? Not really.

 

I shoot stills, I shoot video. I wouldn't like to class myself, nor feel the need to be classed as either.

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As I follow some of the threads on the video forum, I am lead to believe that video people are smarter than stills people, and folks doing VDSLR are stills people trying to be smart.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? :D

 

Clearly they are (my wife shoots video). The underlying technology of video is a lot more complex than that of stills but I am guessing that most video folk don't understand/care about the technology. On the other hand, they also do a lot more post processing than most still guys and they have to be able to visualize what the scene will look like as part of a longer story.

 

Bill

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OK, OK, I'm going to fall into the trap...

 

... what a ridiculous comment!

 

I've yet to see an underwater video image that has the vibrancy of a still image, or that has the emotional impact of a great still image. Perhaps that it because the technophiles rather than the artists dominate video? Perhaps the physiological specialisation of the mammalian visual system towards movement detection results in a predilection towards moving images, but colour, contrast and composition are too easily forgotten?

 

Arguments about post-processing are facile because, despite the ethos of competition and the pressures on professional photographers, the darkroom has always been at the core of still photography in a way that it has not in the production of moving images. Each still image is an individual creation, whereas the demands of editing and splicing have put a premium upon uniformity of processing from shot to shot in movie editing. This hasn't really changed in digital video, although the flexibility of processing has increased greatly.

 

VDSLR is a bit like expecting an average horse to double as a mule and a racehorse. It's hard to believe that the hardware, optical, mechanical and electronic, and processing algorithms can truly be optimised for both functions.

 

I was going to add that stills people are too intelligent to get involved in this argument, but I've succumbed to temptation and annoyance.

 

Tim

 

:D

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I was going to add that stills people are too intelligent to get involved in this argument, but I've succumbed to temptation and annoyance.

 

Tim

 

:D

 

He, He.... I wish it was April 1st ;)

Actually I was posting rather tongue in cheek, because I have to admit the technicalities of video discussions are hard for a stills retard like me to follow. But having said that, I think it's an interesting discussion contrasting the differences in perception, recording, and processing (neuronal and software) of still vs video images

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Well Well Well ...

 

Let me add my honest opinion... :D

 

We are not smarter as such although some do think they are... Apparently if you do not know everything there is to know about everything your opinion doesn't matter and you just 'Drivel' on... So I think Stills shooters are more friendly and helpful and less up their own bums and have no 'chips' on their shoulders... Well from what I've seen... ;)

 

Dive safe

 

DeanB

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OK, OK, I'm going to fall into the trap...

 

... what a ridiculous comment!

 

I've yet to see an underwater video image that has the vibrancy of a still image, or that has the emotional impact of a great still image. Perhaps that it because the technophiles rather than the artists dominate video? Perhaps the physiological specialisation of the mammalian visual system towards movement detection results in a predilection towards moving images, but colour, contrast and composition are too easily forgotten?

 

Tim

 

:D

 

Sooooo wrong Mr Priest... I bet more people would gasp in awe at wondrous moving images than a 'still' point of view. I agree with the technophile comment 'in some' If you read most of the video forums it is mostly specs and gadget talk or blah, blah, blah to most contributors...(I know you need to know a certain amount, even in stills) although personally I want to show people what I see rather than boast what camera I have just purchased or if I can give a three page scientific answer to the question "What lens should I use for macro"...

 

Oh and I will leave out the big words of my next paragraph as you have covered it... However it does apply to both practises...

 

Dive safe

 

DeanB

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Crikey Jeff - you really missed a calling in a diplomatic mission somewhere!

 

Should peace break out some-place out then you could be just the man for the job.

 

Having said that you may well be correct though - my work world is a highly technical one and when I look at some of the posts re video post processing my head does go into a spin.

 

Having just seen tonights news it would seem that WikiLeaks is looking for a front man to smooth over a new 'difficulty' and the US may need a calming influence at the UN - you up for it?

 

Paul C

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Crikey Jeff - you really missed a calling in a diplomatic mission somewhere!

 

Should peace break out some-place out then you could be just the man for the job.

 

Having said that you may well be correct though - my work world is a highly technical one and when I look at some of the posts re video post processing my head does go into a spin.

 

Having just seen tonights news it would seem that WikiLeaks is looking for a front man to smooth over a new 'difficulty' and the US may need a calming influence at the UN - you up for it?

 

Paul C

:D

Thanksgiving weekend was getting a little slow.

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As I follow some of the threads on the video forum, I am lead to believe that video people are smarter than stills people, and folks doing VDSLR are stills people trying to be smart.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? ;)

 

:D LOL

I allmost spilled my tea on the keyboard...

 

Toughts? On this matter??? I think I better start to read the video forums as well :D

 

Everyone is entitled to theyr oppinion.

I'm a stills guy and I know for a FACT, that I'm not smart - not even in stills... and video is a land that's far far away from where I live :P

 

Cheers

Karel

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As I follow some of the threads on the video forum, I am lead to believe that video people are smarter than stills people, and folks doing VDSLR are stills people trying to be smart.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? :D

 

 

Why not start something like Nikon vs Canon and PC vs Mac while you are at it ;)

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Hmmm. Perhaps Wetpixel attracts a broad church of stills photographers, whereas most of the videographers here tend to the more advanced, and so give the impression of cleverness/wisdom in their posts.

 

That said, does an inclination to bang on about technology necessarily betoken intelligence as such?

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Sooooo wrong Mr Priest...

 

;) That's Dr Priest to you, by the way... :P

 

Tim

 

:D

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Give me a video camera and I have this uncontrollable urge to turn it 90 degrees for a nice upright portrait shot.

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Give me a video camera and I have this uncontrollable urge to turn it 90 degrees for a nice upright portrait shot.

:D I had the same problem swirling around with a video camera trying to get the best angle; the subsequent footage gave me vertigo!

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As Le Prince would say ... "Oui! Mais c'est compliqué!" :D

 

Edit: Forgot my :grin:

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As Le Prince would say ... "Oui! Mais c'est compliqué!"

And they speak multiple languages as well... :D

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This discussion is a joke right? Definitely over my head. I am in awe of photo guys and the knowledge of the camera that they must have. I'm strictly video and the real work comes in post production and original story ideas. Maybe photo guys are in awe of the editor more than the shooter, who knows, who cares. They are both very valid occupations. My only beef goes back to the days when all the underwater photographic societies ignored those who shot video for their annual shows and competitons. Most of those clubs aren't doing so well now.

Steve

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And they speak multiple languages as well... :D

 

 

Google translate... "Une grande aide pour tout cinéaste"

 

Dive safe

 

DeanB

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;)

 

After buying a book by Scubazoo productions entitled 'Reef' (which comes with a gorgeous little DVD), I have come to the conclusion that they go hand in hand. Both have their place and both make art. Both are equal IMHO.

 

A great picture or a great dvd- just wants you to get in there - and do it for yourself.

Peter Scoones, Ron Taylor, Mike deGruy, Martha Holmes etc.

They got me in the water.

 

Martin Edge, Alex Mustard, Dave Doubilet, E Cheng, Nigel Motyer etc etc and all the other fantastic picture makers too numerous to mention on wetpixel.....you guys give me the reasons to take a camera underwater.

 

So....

 

to all the talented videographers and the still picture takers out there- I salute you - you are both magic makers.

 

Continue to inspire and enlighten this mere mortal through your eyes.

The underwater world needs you both.

 

:D

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Making images underwater is about as self-indulgent as you can get - unless they have a purpose beyond pure personal gratification. I think we are all pretty stupid to spend so much of our resources on such an activity to produce results that few other people will ever see. That said, I just bought a smaller Macbook Pro so that it fits more easily in my bag!

So are videographers smarter than stills photographers? Is one rich chimp smarter than another?

 

Remember, man thought he was more intelligent than dolphins because he built the pyramids and our fine banking system while the dolphin simply messed about in the sea. The dolphin thought they were more intelligent for precisely the same reason!

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I thiought I was the one who put silly threads up!? Nice of you to help out Loftus!

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If man thinks he is more intelligent than any other living creature on earth, then heaven only knows what woman thinks? Hey wait... ;)

 

Speaking of chimps, wiith high res video cameras coming out like the Epic-X, stills only will be going the way of the Bonobo chimps...population in rapid decline!

 

And now that JB is in da house, it must be said that video now owns porn! :D

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