NWDiver 43 Posted February 5, 2004 Was looking at Video then consumer digital still and in the end was able to pick up the following from a fellow diver for less than I would have paid for a 5050/L&M set up. Aquatica AD100 Housing (single bulk head 5-pin), 1- 8" dome port/shade/dome shade neoprene cover, 1-standard port with manual focus knob, neoprene cover for standard port , 1-extension ring for the 17-35mm lens , 1- zoom gear ring for the 17-35mm lens, 2 Sea & Sea YS90 DX strobes with diffusers, 1-S&S dual sync cord 5 pin , Lots of TLC arm parts, 1-Aquatica light saddle, 1-Nikon D100 digital camera, and misc accessories. At this point I can only afford two lenses. I am most interested in one lens that will work for “fish portrait” too “wife alongside big sponge”, “wife on deck of wreck”… (Must be flattering shots so I can keep buying toys). The other lens will be for Macro shots. Cost is factor, no +$1000 lenses. What combination of 2 lenses would you suggest? Please feel free to suggest combos not listed below. Being considered are: Nikkor AF Micro 105mm f/2.8 Nikkor AF 18-35 f/3.5-4.5 Nikkor AF 60mm f/2.8 Sigma AF 105mm f/2.8 Sigma AF 15-30mm f/3.5-4.5 Aspherical Sigma AF 17-35mm f/2.8-4.0 (Makes sense since have flatport, ext, gear) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cybergoldfish 1 Posted February 5, 2004 Think USED it's cheaper and you can get all three of the Nikkor lenses on eBay presently - Just search - 'Nikkor' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donauw 0 Posted February 5, 2004 12-24mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Nikkor AF 60mm f/2.8 Regards, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Ruaux 0 Posted February 5, 2004 Keep in mind that the Sigma 17-35 is probably not the lens you have the zoom gear and extension for, they are probably the ones for the 17-35 AFS D Nikkor (one of the $1000+ lenses :shock:). The Sigma has a minimum focusing distance of 1.6 feet, thus you may have problems using it in the dome port. (I don't know this for sure, just some speculation). For what you want, I would plump for the 18-35 and the 60 mm. The 18-35 can do the "wife beside sponge" up to biggish fish portrait, while the 60 can do medium size fish portrait downwards. You can probably get the two for about $650-700 by buying from places like B&H or Adorama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWDiver 43 Posted February 5, 2004 The Nikon 12-24 looks like a great lens but it would take up all the budget. Even on EBay it's going for $1000. Looking like the 60mm for macro is the way to go. If one cannot afford Nikon lenses what's the next best brand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cybergoldfish 1 Posted February 5, 2004 The 15-30 Sigma is ok and has a more practical filter size than the 17-35. 18-35 on eBay is +/- $400.00 60mm Micro around $250.00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james 0 Posted February 5, 2004 Bob, the Sigma 15-30 does NOT have a filter thread on the front and it does NOT take front mount filters. If you can only afford two lenses, I recommend: Either: Nikon 18-35 ($500) or Sigma 12-24 ($650) MUST have: Nikkor 60mm Micro ($300) To shoot those, you will want the flat port and the 8" dome port for your Aquatica. HTH James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWDiver 43 Posted February 5, 2004 Given I can't afford the new Nikon lens anyone willing to second james suggestion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craig 0 Posted February 5, 2004 I see nothing wrong with James' suggestions but the Sigma 12-24 is new. Anyone had it underwater yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james 0 Posted February 5, 2004 For wideangle, you do not HAVE to go with a zoom. You would be perfectly happy with the results from the Sigma 15mm fisheye - which goes for about $350. Cheers James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cybergoldfish 1 Posted February 5, 2004 I mentioned nothing about a filter thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james 0 Posted February 5, 2004 Actually, you said: The 15-30 Sigma is ok and has a more practical filter size than the 17-35. To which I reply: the Sigma 15-30 does not HAVE a filter thread. That's kind of important if you need to fit it with a diopter - you can't. Cheers James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan 57 Posted February 5, 2004 Sigma 12-24 also lacks front filter threads, making it unusable with port combinations that require a diopter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpio_fish 5 Posted February 5, 2004 For one lens that does fish portraits and wide angle, get the 18-35mm Nikon. I would recommend the Nikon 17-35mm since you already have the zoom gear and extension (this is a very long extension). But the lens is over $1000 even used. Just get the 18-35mm and different extension, zoom gear. I shoot the 17-35mm behind a dome and get very good fish portraits at the 35mm end, along with decent wide angle. I would also recommend the 105mm for macro over the 60mm. This is personal preference. If you want macro then its the best lens. If you want something for macro and some fish portraits, get the 60mm. It's cheaper and doesn't require an extension ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Bangs 0 Posted February 5, 2004 Regarding the Sigma 12-24, another thing to consider is the bulbus front element which tends to flair much more than the Nikon. For econo wide angle you may also consider the Nikon 16 mm. still a bit "fishy" but it can be had on ebay at half the price of the 12-24. It also works much better for under/over shots. No port extension or diopter required. The Sigma 14 is also nice and economical as well, but it requires a port entension and will flair a bit more than the Nikon 16 mm. Note, both the Nikon 16 and the Sigma 14 will not accept fron mounted filters Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davephdv 0 Posted February 6, 2004 I would definitely put the 60 as a must lens. I have the 105 but seldom use it; always going back to the 60. Though as noted many times it depends upon your shooting style. As far as wide angle I definitely think the 12-24 or 17-35 are better than a fixed lens. If they are beyond your budget a fixed super wide angle may be a better choice than some of the cheaper zooms. I have the Nikon 18 mm lens which has a great rep as a sharp lens but I think the 12-24 and 17-35 are just as sharp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWDiver 43 Posted February 6, 2004 Even though I am getting the extension/focus gear for the 17-35nikon, just can’t pay the +$1000. So it is the Nikon 60mm and Nikon 18-35mm! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafox 0 Posted February 6, 2004 Sounds like you got a heck of a deal! You're going to be very pleased with both the Aquatica housing and the Nikon D100. That combo offers amazing flexibity resulting in awsome quality pictures. I use mostly the Nikon 12-24 and the Micro 60mm. If I had to choose only one to get started, considering your criteria "wife on deck of wreck, large sponges, ect...""I would pick the 12-24mm. Excellent WA and yet you can you get really close. The 17-35 would be OK as a starter. You can always sell it later when your budget allows! I also use Ike's D125's and I am very pleased with their performance. Enjoy, and don't forget to breathe!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andi Voeltz 0 Posted February 6, 2004 Bob, the Sigma 15-30 does NOT have a filter thread on the front and it does NOT take front mount filters. Wrong, James... Actually the front has a shade which allows to mount filters and serves also as a cover. SIGMA claims that you can use it without loosing image quality when having digital cameras with a crop factor of 1.6 like the Canon 10D. But generally you are right on not recommending this lense for uw-use. It's very heavy and not doing a real inner-focus when zooming. We are about to sell ours and save money for Canon 17-40L Man can still dream though :roll: Mhhh,... Lense or DEMA with James & Eric? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWDiver 43 Posted February 6, 2004 12-24 sounds like a great lens, but $$$$. Another thread follows some problems vetrans have with the Aquatica housing and this lens. Might be overwhelming for a rookie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craig 0 Posted February 7, 2004 My experience with the 15-30 was that the lens vignetted at 15mm when the lens cover was left on except for the cap. It seems odd that Sigma makes their lens cap that way, but I believe Sigma does not intend that it be used as a filter mount. Instead, Sigma provides a gel holder. The difference between Canon at 1.6 and Nikon at 1.52 is enough to hide the vignetting, so I think tha answer is actually different for the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafox 0 Posted February 7, 2004 NWDiver, I think the previous posts were referring to the 12-24 with a FUJI S2. In any case: I have never had any problem installing or taking off the zoom gear on the lens, installing it on my D100 in the Aquatica housing, and adding the extension ring and the 8"dome. It's a great fit, no forcing, no straches and it's easy! I am very happy with it and it works really well for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites