Drew 0 Posted April 8, 2013 Black Magic Design has announced 2 new cameras to complement the Cinema Camera launched last year. The first camera is the Pocket Cinema Camera, which essentially is a mini camera. The sensor is a S16 size HD output with CinemaDNG RAW and ProRes422HQ output and comes with a 4/3 mount. There is a S16 adapter available for cine lenses. The camera promises to output 13 stop dynamic range and sells for $995. Shipping is in July. The 2nd camera is the Production Camera 4k, which features a S35 global shutter sensor, shooting UltraHD 4k. The camera mount is again EF compatible, all housed in the same BMCC body. It has built-in UltraHD video out via the 6G SDI output(BNC) and also has Thunderbolt. There is a built-in SSD drive. Specs include 12 stop dynamic range. There is no specs on frame rates in UltraHD 4k. The camera ships in July and sells for $3995. These cameras are exciting news for small production companies. The HDSLR cameras era is truly on the way out as motion cameras with products like these cameras. Exciting times... IF the specs hold up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 8, 2013 This is really amazing & exciting. Did they mean shipping July 2013? Can they really deliver? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted April 8, 2013 Well, they did manage to deliver a few units only a few months late last year. Apparently their channels are better now so who knows? Perhaps with the S35 sensor, and the cheap price, housing manufacturers will not ignore this camera. My own inquiries on a custom housing have come out to zero, with no one having worked on the lanc protocol to control exposure yet. With a touchscreen as the interface makes it difficult to work with for housings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timccr 11 Posted April 8, 2013 Surely someone will make a housing for the Pocket Camera. Won't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJvC 9 Posted April 8, 2013 The pocket cinema camera looks very interesting but once again what wide angel lens would you use for under water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheungyDiver 53 Posted April 8, 2013 If that camera has a MFT mount then almost any lenses could be adapted and used with an adapter including the Metabones booster. No one has actually seen pictures taken with it yet so still too early to assume but spec looks decent enough. 13 stops! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted April 9, 2013 Mark, 7-14, Samyang/Rokinon/Lumix 7.5 fisheye etc. It won't be super wide because of the sensor (12.48x7.02) but still, it works and will be super compact. This could replace higher end pole cams and even some Go Pro applications. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonny shaw 16 Posted April 9, 2013 Great idea RE polecams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheungyDiver 53 Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Not touch screen. Control is via buttons so mechanical control from housing is easy to do. Simple menu system. I like it. ACTIVE MFT mount. Super 16mm sensor so all the old S16 vintage lenses could be used including some extremely cheap ENG zoom lenses. May not be so cheap soon in ebay. Lanc control - for remote trigger and focus (nice!) Standard Nikon battery. records on fast SD card. Point and shoot size and shoots cinematic quality HD pro-res. Under USD 1K I anticipate UW manufacturers will be putting this camera gadget on top of 'must do list' for near future... Just hope now that BMD will not delay shipping once they open for orders. Edited April 9, 2013 by CheungyDiver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cp 29 Posted April 9, 2013 Am definitely planning to make it over to the BlackMagic booth to have a look. Cheers, Cp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 9, 2013 Here is a link with a short video clip on both cams: http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-production-camera-4k/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pmooney 6 Posted April 9, 2013 Am definitely planning to make it over to the BlackMagic booth to have a look. Cheers, Cp Please take the verniers with you . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamhanlon 0 Posted April 9, 2013 Full details, images and the press release for the Pocket Cinema Camera are on the Wetpixel front page here: http://wetpixel.com/articles/blackmagic-design-unveils-its-pocket-cinema-camera The specs lists remote control via LANC, which should make it easier to house..... Adam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheungyDiver 53 Posted April 9, 2013 LANC control. Yes for electronic housings. The camera is not touch screen but buttons so its okay for mechanical too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 9, 2013 Guys, do you think we should split this thread into two: One for pocket, Second for 4K? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJvC 9 Posted April 9, 2013 S35 4K for $4000 maybe housing manufactures will take another look also has LanC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timccr 11 Posted April 9, 2013 Not sure that I've got this right but I think a 7-14mm m43 zoom becomes 10.5-21mm on this camera. Or a 21-42mm FF equivalent. This is so confusing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted April 9, 2013 Thani, I don't think it's necessary for now. Once we get to play with a working prototype and housing manufacturers show interest, then we'll have the separate threads. For the BMPC 4k, yes, the lLANC controls do work but no one has housed a working remote that can control IRIS yet, which is the main issue for the 4k. I've tried the old Amphibico lanc control on the BMCC and it doesn't work for FOCUS or REC. Can't find a L&M, Mangrove or Sea& Sea that's working to try it either. It should technically work since it's the BAR LANC for Canon/Sony and my Manfrotto RC pan works very well. If you can't control IRIS and ISO, there'll be limitations on how one can shoot. I'd be very happy to go with the BMPC 4k at 30fps. The annoying BMCC crop factor does make lens choice an issue. So does the touch screen controls. The BMPCC is a no brainer for housing manufacturers. Manufacturers with existing ports that fit MFT lenses can do it, since it's all manual button operated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 9, 2013 The specification says: Remote Control 1 x 2.5mm LANC for Rec Start/Stop, Iris Control and Focus. In addition, there are buttons for both the iris and focus. Besides, I think the touch screen can be made accessable via manual controls/arms to help access the rest of the functions such as MWB and ISO. I totally agree with you Drew that it should not be so challenging for housing manufacturers to come up with a housing for such a promising cam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJvC 9 Posted April 9, 2013 Hi Drew I think the BMCC 4K is a S35 sensor so wide angel lenses should have less crop factor than the 2.5K BMCC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RestlessDeviant 1 Posted April 10, 2013 Wow the $4k 4K one looks super interesting. I was beginning to settle on the PMW 200 as the next camera, but now I'm all confused again!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheungyDiver 53 Posted April 10, 2013 Factor in cost of accessories then its more than 4K. There is the post production gear to think about too.There is a reason why the first one did not make it into an UW housing. Lanc is not like the Sony lanc of the TRV900 days. It is limited. Touch screen is not easy to resolve for a housing. Just look at the iphone casings. Control will be limited if a housing is made. Think 6 months and maybe a year before seeing a housing ready if there is inventive to reverse engineer into BMDCC control protocol. I even saw a surf housing made last year for the first BMDCC. Just a prototype and all the issues described above has basically made it impractical. I could be wrong. Someone somewhere could be riding the tube and splashing about with one. If I want to shoot factual documentary style video and have everything in one kit then PMW200 is still a good option. although considering the NAB offerings price seems higher now. It was reasonable before new gadgets pops up. I would just get a good system that is ready now and go shoot something and perhaps sell some footage and paid it off. Or wait and wait and wait.I am sure better and better things will come along...LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Yes, the BMPC 4k is S35. The lanc is standard Sony/canon, which works for all lanc controls like the RC heads from Manfrotto etc. Problem with housings is that no one ever tried to control IRIS through lanc. Even with RC heads only a handful have IRIS control. I'm sure shooters can live with no shutter controL, BUT exposure control with IRIS and ISO is going to be problematic to say the least. This is obviously about the BMPC and BMCC. The BMPCC should be a no brainer for housing manufacturers. However, things like RAW processing and storage for the DNG files isn't for the budding amateur with a macbook air. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJvC 9 Posted April 10, 2013 I posted this last time the BMCC was discussed. It is one possible but messy solution to overcoming the touch screen interface. http://www.dive-xtras.com/pages/accessories/underwater_tablet.asp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheungyDiver 53 Posted April 10, 2013 Yes messy. One solution used on the Iphone cases is to have special capacitative buttons at specific functions on the touch screen. Did not catch on. No idea why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
