simonknee 4 Posted December 4, 2013 All sounds very promising. Alex/Phil do you know if such an adaptor would include a gear knob to interface with the legacy gearing that Olympus made for the 43 lenses. Perhaps the extension isn't all that long and there is not enough room. Would be a bit more icing on the cake if it did. So looks like UK price for NA-EM1 is £1389 (and if you take off the VAT this supports the $1850 price at backscatter). So if the adaptor is even £200 this is an affordable way into the system for me and my old bits and pieces. Very happy camper! Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted December 4, 2013 Phil, Out of interest why would a m43 lens not work behind an adapted 43 port? In the simplest case the 60mm m43 lens would fit behind the 50mm 43 port. As long as the vision was not obscured and you don't want to manual focus then what would be the issue? If vision was obscured then there are other larger flat ports in the 43 range. Now granted positioning a wide angle m43 lens at the right place in the big Oly dome might prove impossible but is it not even worth a try to see what image you get? Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted December 5, 2013 Hi Simon. Nauticam designes ports and gears to get the very best optical solution for the lens. In the case of the 43 lenses most are much larger and they all sit on an adapter that pushes the lens even further from the camera. So while the 60mm macro may fit into the Olympus 50mm macro port it may not necessarily sit as close to the port glass as you would want it to be for best results. I use a ZEN 170mm optical glass port for the 7-14 zoom and it requires a 20mm extension. If the Olympus adapter pushes the Olympus dome which is also 170mm out around 20mm it may work with the Panasonic 7-14 lens but if it did then it would not be nearly far enough out for the Olympus 7-14 zoom. It remains to be seen what may be interchangeable perhaps the Athena 35mm macro port for the 43 may work with shorter M43 macro lenses. Regarding Olympus gears I don't know if they will be supported in the Nauticam port adapter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Thanks Phil, There is of course the PER-01 and PER-02 for pushing the big oly dome far enough away. My thoughts on the adapter are thus: The ideal Nautican/Oly adapter for 43 lens would take into account the size of the MMF-3 and any difference between the Nauticam housing and an Oly one. (I should do a diagram to describe what I mean) i.e. The position of the front of the housing with respect to the front of an MMF-3 (on an EM-1) should be identical in a PT-EP11 case with PAD-08 and a NA-EM1 with a Nauti-Oly adaptor. Even better would be an shallow adapter that achieves the above when an Oly PER-01 is also added. Then we would get the choice to close mount the old Oly ports for m43 lenses OR position them correctly for 43 lenses. If anybody from Nauticam is wondering what I am on about (my terminology in describing this is probably lacking) please ask me to clarify. EDIT: As I don't know dimensions and positions of anything other than an E-520 in a PT-E05 case what I have written above may be not be possible. If anybody can let me know how deep the m43 flange of a lensless EM-5 sits behind the opening of an NA-EM5 I would be grateful. EDIT AGAIN: I just remember that on the PT-EP11 system chart it requires a PER-01 on a PAD-08 so perhaps the flexible shallow adapter is feasible. Simon Edited December 6, 2013 by simonknee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rajesh 1 Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Red Sea, Egypt Edited December 8, 2013 by Rajesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davirond 2 Posted December 9, 2013 Hello, for those who could touch the NA-EM1, could you tell me which type of threads are in the bottom of the housing ? Are they 1/4" or metric type (M8, M10) ? I'd like to attach some stuff there (T-Plate or ball). Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted December 9, 2013 The Nauticam flex tray II has 1/4 X 20 threads which I think will be the size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rajesh 1 Posted December 14, 2013 Hey guys, very good news!!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=596711887048523&set=a.596711833715195.1073741871.340089596044088&type=1&permPage=1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted December 17, 2013 Nauticam NA-EM1 is announced http://www.nauticamusa.com and whilst most of this is known there is a snippet in the the press release just for me ;-) "supports all of the major m4/3 lenses from Olympus and Panasonic that are relevant for underwater. Lenses from previous Olympus four-thirds DSLR cameras are also now supported with the optional extension ring. The gearing in the focus/zoom knob mates with the original gears from Olympus." How cool is that! Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 6, 2014 Photos from todays dive at the BHB using the new Olympus E-M1 with the 60mm macro lens in the Nauticam NA-EM1 housing, two Inon Z-240 strobes. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deep6 7 Posted January 7, 2014 Really nice Phil. Are you using MF? Bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TedJ 3 Posted January 7, 2014 Switching to this more appropriate thread for the EM-1. I ordered the camera and 12-50mm. Next the housing and geared port. BarbaraJ will continue to use her INON 240s. Oh yes, its a birthday present for her. Phil, We'll see you at the Fiesta. Contacted Jorge yesterday. Also signed up for your personal session. TedJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 7, 2014 I am using the AFL/AEL rear housing trigger to focus and then the shutter release to expose. This allows me to focus once on a subject and then shoot several times without a refocus. These were also taken at ISO-100, 1/320th at F7.1-F/9. AF seems quite fast and great image quality. Ted, see you and Barbara in April. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted January 7, 2014 Look what's arrived (thanks Alex) Of course I still need a crucial part! The 43 adapter is on the way... Trying to work out a good button mapping or two. Luckily the EM-1 supports 4 "My Sets" (preset configs) so should be able to get the camera quickly into the correct setup for different styles of shooting. Any more tips on good workable button mappings much appreciated - I like Phil's tip to put focus on the AEL lever. Simon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jak Crow 2 Posted January 7, 2014 I am using the AFL/AEL rear housing trigger to focus and then the shutter release to expose. This allows me to focus once on a subject and then shoot several times without a refocus. These were also taken at ISO-100, 1/320th at F7.1-F/9. AF seems quite fast and great image quality. Ted, see you and Barbara in April. What functions did you set for the rear button focus? When I was trying to set this up, I wasn't getting the proper focus behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted January 8, 2014 What functions did you set for the rear button focus? When I was trying to set this up, I wasn't getting the proper focus behavior. I think you should go for settings menu "A" AF/MF, then choose (right arrow) AEL/AFL setting, then choose (right arrow) S-AF, finally set this to "mode 3" and press OK. (Normally you would have this set to mode 1) Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Since I have no water to play in I thought I might as well trawl the menus of the EM-1 looking for UW specific/useful settings and options.WB Underwater preset - anybody know what this actually does as the manual is very shy at explaining this mode. Is it a modified AutoWB or is it a fixed temp (if so Oly don't specifiy a colour temp in the manual's chart)One Touch WB - needs some thought as to which button is best for this since you have to be able to hold it whilst triggering the shutter and your other hand is probably holding a white card. How blue (or if you prefer, red) will it go before you get a "WB NG Retry" message is to be seen.Settings menu items of note (I'll update this as I find more):Menu AAEL/AFL (as Phil uses) choose mode 3 for S-AF (and C-AF or MF) to separate focusing onto the rear lever.AF Illuminat. - OFF or there may be a nice red internal glow!Face Priority - OFFMenu BButtons One Touch WB - useful for available light photographyUnderwater Mode - handy if you did not raise the flash before loading the EM-1 into the housing since it forces it to fire in the down position. However it also presets the WB, ISO Exposure Compensation & Flash compensation and worse it locks the setting of Aperture & Shutter & Picture Mode. This makes it pretty inflexible but might save a dive since I see no other way to get a down position flash to fire.Menu DLive View Boost - ON to remove the effects of exposure compensation. Very useful for full manual shooting.Menu FExposure + Flash - ON makes the exposure compensation dial vary flash intensity at same time.Menu GWB Auto Keep Warm Colour - OFF though it might be worth experimentingFlash+WB - OFF so that the WB you set, such as Cloudy, is not overridden in flash modeMenu JEVF Auto Switch - OFF otherwise the proximity of the case means the EVF is always active.Menu KTouch Screen Settings - OFF might as well be off.Anybody have any more? Did anybody do a similar exercise for the EM-5 (a camera I have not owned)?MySets a bit of a pain to setup but worth it. I am currently making Myset 3 a flash setup and Myset 4 an available light one (and as I write this I realise I should do a separate wide angle and a macro MySet too).MySet 3 Flash: Buttons:Fn1 - not sure yet - PreviewFn2 - Focus HomeRec - RecordFront - Myset 4 (then can easily drop to available light mode and back)Arrows - Focus Point Select (though could use these for direct access to flash mode)Baseline Values (note): S-AFF8.0 (for macro shooting in A priority) ISO 200WB CloudyManual Flash adjusted to 1/64 (for use when setting flashed manually) but flash mode then set to TTLnote: before I store the MySet I am also pre-setting some default values which makes it easier to get back to a baseline after fiddling.Myset 4 Available Light: Buttons: Fn1 - One Touch WB - seems easiest to hold in conjunction with shutter releaseFn2 - Focus HomeRec - RecordFront - not sureArrows - Focus Point SelectBaseline Values:S-AFF3.5 (I tend to shoot in A priority mode)ISO Auto (max ISO1600)WB Custom 1 (note)Flash OFFnote: If the custom WB works well underwater there are 4 memories available which would allow settings for, say, 4/8/12/16 meters to be made on the descent. Then these could be recalled as you rise back up so no scaring fish with the white card!The reason I like all this is that I have often plopped into the ocean to find I have forgotten to optimise one or more of the settings and then spend the descent fiddling with the camera when I should be paying attention to other things - surroundings, conditions, perhaps even my buddy. Also as the dive profile brings you shallower I like to try available light shooting alongside flash but there usually too many things to alter and you forget something or miss the opportunity. With the EM-1 these issues could be a thing of the past!SimonEDITTED on 9-1-14 with myset info Edited January 9, 2014 by simonknee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 9, 2014 I use auto WB and change in post if needed. I see the one touch WB as being most useful for video shooters. Only need for U/W mode for me would be if you want to zoom the 12-50 because you are not using a gear. The Nauticam NA-EM1 like the EM-5 housing has a wedge that raises the camera flash if you forget so this is a non issue if the flash is in place. Live boost for sure at low ISO settings and high shutter speeds in manual. The rest is a personal choice and yes an EM-5 profile is linked in this forum if you want to look for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks Phil, I cannot find an EM-5 settings link - not searching with the correct words perhaps - and that EM-5 thread is pretty big now! Didn't know about the wedge - that's a great idea from Nauticam - but now you raise the spectre that I'll forget to fit the flash ;-) If you get a chance would you please see how deep you can set an custom WB on a white card. I know you don't use it but I used to love shooting like this with a Canon compact back in the day. Also have you tried the UW WB setting? Any thoughts on what it does? Simon PS I know that much of this is redundant if you shoot RAW and do PP but I find nothing satisfies like getting a great jpeg shot in camera (I still capture RAW+JPEG anyway). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Auto WB is how I have been shooting since I went digital and Olympus has one of the best auto WB systems made so I don't have much experience doing presets to compare it to. I shoot RAW and convert to JPEG when I need one. What I am seeing on the LCD is a JPEG so I get a good idea of what the finished RAW file will look like anyway. More EM-1 photos from yesterdays dive, 60mm macro, Nauticam NA-EM1 housing, Nauticam 65 macro port, two Inon Z-240 strobes, all with the SAGA +15 C/U lens. ISO-100, 1/320th of a second, F9-F14. Very poor vis day. ALL of these images are about 6mm on the long side or about 3 times the M43 life size of 17.3 mm long side. Very Very little DOF. Edited January 9, 2014 by Phil Rudin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonknee 4 Posted January 9, 2014 Wow Phil! Can't wait to get this stuff wet. What is a SAGA +15 C/U lens? Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 9, 2014 Download the current issue of UWPMAG.com, free PDF and read my article about this closeup lens if you like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TedJ 3 Posted January 14, 2014 I just ordered the 60mm macro lens for BarbaraJ as well. Now for the housing and port. TedJ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TedJ 3 Posted January 20, 2014 Phil, Will you be having some additional lenses/gear to try with the EM-1 in April? TedJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Rudin 439 Posted January 20, 2014 Yes I will have several. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites