Width and Height difference of RAW images wider / taller than visible in Lightroom?

[adamtaylor 27]

Hello all,

 

I have seen this mentioned somewhere before but could not find by searching.

 

Is there an aspect ratio or image size setting in Lightroom to show the ENTIRE RAW image?

 

I happened to open a RAW file in Windows Photo Gallery and it is larger (as in wider / taller) than what is visible in Lightroom.

 

Would this additional part of the image be accessible in Lightroom?

 

The difference is not large, but for images of fast moving critters who are at the edge, or out of a shot that additional height and width could improve or save an image. (not necessarily this one as the sea lion still too close to edge of frame)

 

Any suggestions?

 

If it makes a difference I am using LR 5.7 and am shooting an Olympus EM5 in RAW only

 

Not sure how to manipulate images on this forum so they have different orientations for some reason? The upper image is what is visible in Lightroom, the bottom what is visible via Windows Photo Gallery

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Adam

 

 

 

 

[TimG 62]

Hi Adam

 

If I understand your question correctly, the whole of a RAW image is viewable in Lightroom.

 

If you are in the Gallery module you can see the whole image if you use the "fit" or "fill" setting (see top left of the LR screen by Navigator); then you can zoom in to see elements of the image by selecting, e.g., 1:1 and then using the Navigator screen to move around the image to look at , for example, the edges.

 

It's the same in the Develop setting: "fit" or "fill" will show you the whole image; then you can zoom to see elements more closely.

 

Looks to me as though maybe you haven't got the "fit" or "fill" selected in the LR image.

 

Hope this helps!

[adamtaylor 27]

Thanks Tim,

 

Just tried your suggestion and it did not reveal the outer edge. Same image, just showed the various crops or zoom within the original image size.

 

The top image is what is is visible in LR and is compressed from the JPEG exported by Lightroom. Along the bottom (long side) of the image the sea lion has only one eye visible. There is also one full & one partial fin barely visible in bottom corner

 

The bottom image is what is visible using Windows Photo Gallery which I used to convert the ORF file to JPEG. Looking at the right side of this image you will note that both eyes are now visible on the sea lion and that both fins are visible in the corner.

 

So my question is - can Lightroom access this full image as it will make a significant difference.

 

Perhaps it is the camera's aspect ratio that shows up in Lightroom?

 

Thanks,

 

 

Adam

[TimG 62]

Hmmm, odd one that Adam. Maybe it is something to do with the camera. Perhaps someone with OM/LR experience can chip-in. I've used LR with all sorts of, mainly Nikon, cameras, and have never been aware of any picture clipping when viewed at "fit".

[Interceptor121 765]

The images seems to have the same aspect ratio. I would check the the number of pixels of the two Jpegs it is possible that Lightroom is binning some pixels at the edges

[_Alex_ 1]

Adam,

 

I'm assuming that your camera is set to an aspect ratio of 2:3 instead of the native 3:4 of the olympus sensor.

When you load the RAW file in LR the crop ratio used to present the picture is the same as the camera setting (as shot), despite the fact that the RAW file is larger. When you change the crop ratio to original (see picture below) the whole RAW file will be presented to you.

 

[adamtaylor 27]

Thanks Interceptor and _Alex_

 

Both images appear to have the same number of pixels (768x1024)

 

Changing Crop ratio in LR does not make the 'missing' edges appear.

 

Tried installing Olympus Viewer Software and the view / size does not change.

 

Thanks

 

 

Adam

[the_dragon_no1 4]

_alex_ said check/change the crop ratio in the CAMERA not in LR

[Tom_Kline 141]

Your pixel dimensions seem inconsistent with a raw image. Look at the library module for the exif data. The pixel dimensions are given there along with a crop. See my example for a Canon CR2 file. Yours should be the same as that given in the specifications for your camera. In my example this is the same as listed for the Canon EOS-1 Ds Mark 3 (the highest value under resolution) by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS-1Ds_Mark_III

Thanks Interceptor and _Alex_

 

Both images appear to have the same number of pixels (768x1024)

 

Changing Crop ratio in LR does not make the 'missing' edges appear.

 

Tried installing Olympus Viewer Software and the view / size does not change.

 

Thanks

 

 

Adam

Edited January 14, 2016 by Tom_Kline

[adamtaylor 27]

Thanks Tom

 

I freely admit that I am relatively new to underwater photography and basically fumbling in the dark with Lightroom. I use LR to record keywords, make minor adjustments and crop images. I then export those I want to share as JPEGs... The rest of the LR functions remain a mystery to me...

 

The pixel count I gave above was from the JPEG files I created, one converted from RAW using Lightroom, the other using Windows photo gallery.

 

Looking at the RAW image EXIF data in LR I note that the actual dimensions are 3456 x 4608

 

On a whim I opened a RAW file using Windows Photo Viewer, made a JPEG copy which showed the 'missing' edges and then opened it using LR. The full height / width is now visible in LR and the EXIF info shows that the dimension count remains the same as the original RAW file.

 

I then made some tonal adjustments and synced the settings to compare. Of course I find that the colours of the RAW file appear more realistic, but prefer the composition / wider field of view of the converted JPEG. There appears to be a slight change in the shape of the sea lion's head so perhaps LR is applying a lens correction which may explain the 'missing' sliver along the edge of the images?

 

It's not a big deal, but as mentioned in my earlier post that extra little bit of space at the edges could make a nice shot even better.

 

Was hoping there may be an easy fix which I could add to my workflow when importing and reviewing images.

 

The mystery continues.

 

Attached are a couple sample images to demonstrate what I described above.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Adam

 

 

[adamtaylor 27]

_alex_ said check/change the crop ratio in the CAMERA not in LR

 

Camera settings are 4:3 settings in LR were 4:3 as well

[Tom_Kline 141]

You can turn off lens corrections - it is near the bottom of the list in the develop module. Click on the profile tab. Unselect it if a lens profile is selected. There are also manual corrections in another tab. Make sure these are zeroed. Some corrections require cropping to keep the image rectangular.

[_Alex_ 1]

 

Camera settings are 4:3 settings in LR were 4:3 as well

 

My advise only works if you shot the picture with a 2:3 ratio. The RAW file will always have a 4:3 ratio.

 

Most of the time I use the 2:3 ratio, since it saves me time editing. But when there is an "composition error", changing the setting in LR form as shot to original may save the picture.