What do do when cameras can't fly in the aircraft cabin

[Draq 135]

Over the past couple of days, Homeland Security has been talking about extending its cabin electronics ban to all transatlantic flights. If that happens I assume it won’t be long before it gets applied to more flights such as from Indonesia, Philippines, maybe even the Caribbean. I expect that if that happens, our British and EU friends would utilize the same restrictions.

 

I am hoping they will find a way to carve out some exception for cameras but I sort of doubt it. So, I am thinking I need to begin working on a contingency plan to check my camera and lenses when I fly. I am not happy about that, but I certainly don’t want to find myself at an airport and have them insist my shoulder bag with camera body and lenses has to get checked.

 

Besides looking into better insurance for theft and damage, I am thinking of getting a Pelican 1610 case and using trek dividers, or perhaps the Kaizen foam that looks to be an upgrade from the pluck foam stuff. I was also thinking of trying the new Pelican “Elite” luggage in a similar size for the TSA locks and more streamlined design, but worry it may not be as protective.

 

I will undoubtedly have to pay extra checked bag fees and have more of a hassle getting through airports, but if indeed, cameras and lenses are banned in the cabin, I won’t have an option.

I would love to hear what others do about luggage choices and strategies for checking cameras and lenses, since I have so far avoided that (except for one unpleasant incident at Gatwick years ago that resulted in a damaged camera body and two destroyed lenses).

 

I will just add that since the problem seems to be ability of bad guys to disguise explosives as batteries, anything with a removable battery should be able to fly in the cabin.

I wonder if there are any camera industry or photographic industry lobbyists or politicos who could try to influence this issue. Anyway, I would love to hear suggestions, techniques, etc, fr dealing with this if it comes true.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Draq

[errbrr 73]

I'm relatively happy to check things in a pelican case - it's more concern about bags going missing than concern about damage that stops me. So far I have only checked the housing (with camera and strobes installed) on direct flights domestically within Australia.

 

And I guess the other point is that pelican cases are heavy. The pelican that fits my housing and 6 strobes weighs close to 7kg when empty. I doubt the airlines will be increasing baggage allowances to compensate.

 

It will be interesting to see how the regulations develop as the current terrorists-only-fly-some-airlines approach is illogical.

[DDT uk 4]

Nothing says expensive camera equipment quite like a peli case. A few years back they were quite popular but there were some parts of the world where they were almost guaranteed to go missing. Most travel insurance limits individual items to ridiculously low value, so unless you have specific camera insurance, a peli case is just not worth the risk IMHO.

 

What I have just done is to buy a normal looking hard shell suitcase and some meduim density foam. The plan is to have something akin to a peli case but lighter and indistinguishable from normal luggage.

[divengolf 17]

For years, I have used a bag in a bag approach to checked luggage containing valuable items, i.e., housings, strobes, etc. I pack a sturdy, reinforced carry-on size bag inside a non-descript, well -worn duffle bag, so it doesn't scream "valuable items inside" as a Pelican does. I use my tee shirts, swim trunks, etc. as padding. Never had a problem as it seldom gets looked at by TSA.

 

But I have never packed cameras or lenses in this manner. Those are always in my carry-on. If this new policy becomes more widely implemented, going to have to give this some thought.

 

One question: Do we know yet if the current policy from the Middle East includes lenses? My reading of the restrictions is unclear.

 

Also time to review my insurance policy for such items. BTW if you're eligible for USAA insurance, they have an All-Risk personal property policy that has zero deductible. And it's very affordable. I had a mechanical failure on a D70 housing years ago and they paid the claim promptly with few questions.

[Draq 135]

Since the risk is reportedly related to explosives that can look like the battery, it seems like it should not include lenses, but I don't know. I suspect the rules will not break things down with sufficient specificity, and even if lenses are not the intended target or included per se, unless they are specifically excluded, I would hate to rely on airport security or airline employees to get that right. I would not want to have this argument with some security guy at an airport somewhere and suddenly find I have to check all my lenses when I have not planned to do so.

 

I understand about packing a case within a case, and if I have to go this route I guess I will look into that if I have to go this route and will definitely improve my insurance situation. I am as concerned about damage and mis-routing of bags as much as theft. I don't think I would trust thousands of dollars in lenses to be safe just bundled up in a suitcase. I have seen way too many destroyed luggage pieces to be comfortable with that.

 

 

[TimG 62]

As a long-time pull-into-the-cabin Pelican guy, my heart sank at the latest edicts. I'm going to look into the nondescript disguise-o-case thing too.

 

My reading of some of the guidance a couple of weeks ago led me to think that "modern" lenses, i.e. ones with autofocus systems in them, may well be included. I'm in and out of Schiphol, Amsterdam a lot and they always want to x-ray the lenses and camera bodies.

 

I can see travelling with dive gear and cameras is going to become even more of a pain

[troporobo 252]

Beijing airport is now asking to remove all photo equipment from cases and x-ray bodies and lenses separately. Also things like laptop power adapters and cables. So it's not just about batteries. The trend seems to be spreading.

[Draq 135]

Beijing airport is now asking to remove all photo equipment from cases and x-ray bodies and lenses separately. Also things like laptop power adapters and cables. So it's not just about batteries. The trend seems to be spreading.

 

Do they have you put the lenses and bodies in one of those plastic bins or would it work to leave them in something like a Pelican case if nothing but camera gear was in the case?

[TimG 62]

Do they have you put the lenses and bodies in one of those plastic bins or would it work to leave them in something like a Pelican case if nothing but camera gear was in the case?

Everywhere I've been so far has required items to be taken out of a bag and placed in one of the security system bins.

[troporobo 252]

Nope, out of the bag and into the bins individually.

 

I was behind a guy recently who was carrying A lot of classic Hasselblad gear - two bodies, multiple film backs, and 6 lenses, all carefully packed in bubble wrap. They made him unwrap each item!

[KeithG 27]

security behaviour does not seem to be consistent. i just finished traveling thru europe (zurich, munich, budapest) and us (raleigh durham) now back in canada (toronto, vancouver) and no one asked for my camera gear to be removed from my carryon camera bag.

 

laptop, ipad and cell phone had to be removed most places. since i am a trusted traveller i got to keep my shoes on as well.

[Draq 135]

As part of a different discussion elsewhere, I just checked and learned that many airlines, and as an example, American Airlines, does not allow, and explicitly denies liability for any photographic equipment transported as checked luggage. Their liability limits are often ridiculously low anyway, and one should have insurance to cover expensive items, but if you are required to check cameras and lenses and they go missing or are damaged, the airline has zero liability to you.

 

I can tolerate annoying security checkpoint practices but am not at all happy about the prospect of packing my camera(s) and lenses in a checked bag and hoping it arrives at my destination and arrives intact.

[DrFiscus 2]

I'm guessing I'm going to be using my iPhone in a Kraken or LenzO case more and more - or just eliminate traveling anywhere but the US and the Caribbean. Oh well.

Andy

Edited May 17, 2017 by DrFiscus

[KeithG 27]

... or just eliminate traveling anywhere but the US and the Caribbean. Oh well.

Andy

You do realize that this is a US problem caused by Homeland Security? It is best avoided by not travelling to the US.

[tursiops 82]

I received the following from a friend who just came home to the US from the Philippines, via Abu Dhabi.

 

"Still no info about Qatar Airways, but for those collecting anecdotes, Etihad Airways is doing a great job. Sean and I passed through Abu Dhabi on the way back from Manila a couple of weeks ago. They had suggested checking electronics at the start of your trip but for those not wanting to (like us), they collected them in Abu Dhabi.

 

They had us pull out our electronics in security in Abu Dhabi, where they had padded envelopes and boxes. What worked out best was to have a small bag packed with just the electronics (which Sean, not surprisingly, had done in advance, while I reshuffled things on the spot!). They put luggage tags on those bags, and we collected them in baggage claim in Dulles. They did not come out on the baggage carousel -- we went to the baggage office where they opened up the boxes, checked our claim checks, and handed them back to us directly. No extra charge.

 

The instructions from the airline had stated that the electronics would need to fall within your total baggage weight allowance, but it was not clear to me what that meant (i.e., checked bags or carry-on). In any case, they did not seem to be weighing anything in Abu Dhabi, but of course the bags had been weighed in Manila.

 

Also, security personnel were interpreting the restrictions as narrowly as possible. I was unsure about whether camera lenses would be included, and I assumed that the dive computer (console) would be, along with my noise-cancelling headphones. However, their answer to each of my questions was "laptops, e-readers, cameras" with nothing else getting added to the list of prohibited items. I suspect that may not be the case everywhere."

[Draq 135]

Last week I heard that, at least for now, the US has shelved the plans to ban electronics form inbound European flights, so it appears this isn't going to be extended, or at least is on hold. I do not generally fly to any of the current laptop ban countries. I am still concerned that for both security and monetary reasons we may see increasing restrictions on what or how much can be taken as carry-on. I still am working on a plan to deal with this should it arise. I have purchased a larger Pelican case and currently I am thinking I will set that up for housing, ports, camera and lenses, and may then pack that within a second case for security purposes, although I don't know if that is really necessary. In the meantime, I will continue carrying camera and lenses on the plane if I can.

[TimG 62]

Sounds a good plan, Draq

[TimG 62]

Just when it looked vaguely safe to take your laptop.....

 

BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40077955

 

The authorities in the US are still considering banning laptops from cabin baggage on all international flights, the head of Homeland Security says.

John Kelly said there was a real threat and terrorists were "obsessed" with the idea of knocking down a US plane.

The US already has a ban on laptops on flights to and from eight mostly-Muslim countries.

Two weeks ago, officials decided not to extend that ban to flights between the US and EU countries.

But Mr Kelly's comments cast doubt over that decision.

[tursiops 82]

Just when it looked vaguely safe to take your laptop.....

 

BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40077955

 

The authorities in the US are still considering banning laptops from cabin baggage on all international flights, the head of Homeland Security says.

John Kelly said there was a real threat and terrorists were "obsessed" with the idea of knocking down a US plane.

The US already has a ban on laptops on flights to and from eight mostly-Muslim countries.

Two weeks ago, officials decided not to extend that ban to flights between the US and EU countries.

But Mr Kelly's comments cast doubt over that decision.

You maybe expected consistency in statements from the US Administration?

 

 

 

You do realize that this is a US problem caused by Homeland Security? It is best avoided by not travelling to the US.

A bit unfair, as well as inaccurate. Homeland Security is responding to the problem, not causing it.

[troporobo 252]

"A bit unfair, as well as inaccurate. Homeland Security is responding over-reacting to the problem, not causing it."

 

Fixed it for you. I mean, c'mon, when TSA can't even find something like 95% of the weapons that they try to smuggle past screening during testing, and Homeland Security can't even figure out which countries are threats, I have zero confidence that they've got it right this time.

[Draq 135]

Well, I hope they weren't reacting to my post here! I have no idea who is pushing for what, but I am trying to be ready. The last thing I want is a ban to kick in just before I fly and being unprepared to deal with it.

 

I don't know if they are over-reacting or not. I do know that certain groups are quite committed to blowing up / crashing airplanes, and the most desirable planes to hit are U.S. flagged airlines with U.S. passengers. I would prefer to focus my irritation on the terrorists and not the government but really, the cause doesn't really matter; I am just trying to deal with the situation as best I can, since I have no input into what they do.

 

Certainly one solution would be, as you say, to not fly into or out of the U.S. (or the UK, since they seem to be on the same track) but that is not an option I want to choose.

 

Hopefully at least lenses may be able to still fly in the cabin.

[tursiops 82]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/30/united-states-no-laptop-ban-238939

 

Not gonna happen.....

[Draq 135]

I am pleased to hear that. I hope that holds. I have heard that new scanners are available or about to be, that would permit laptops and liquids to be effectively scanned and end the liquids ban and perhaps remove the threat of a laptop ban. I don't know if that is true, or if they will be implemented, but maybe.

[TimG 62]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/30/united-states-no-laptop-ban-238939

 

Not gonna happen.....

 

I wouldn't bank on that!

[KeithG 27]

I wouldn't bank on that!

The airlines will try everything in their power to prevent a laptop ban. Business travel would grind to a halt and you would have mostly empty planes.

 

The majority of business people that travel utilize the flight time to get work done. I was at a software industry meeting this week and the group was unanomous in refusing to check their laptop. Too much fear of theft or damage.