John Doe 0 Posted April 6, 2019 This is Uber interesting ! Will be very interested to see how this works out - this cam in the hands of a capable operator....going to be very interesting to see the footage. How long before you get it wet ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 6, 2019 Ouch! Sorry Davide! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Doe 0 Posted April 8, 2019 Will the new BM battery solution fit in the housing ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 8, 2019 Will the new BM battery solution fit in the housing ? No, the housing has been made to take a 4x 18650 battery pack under the camera (which provides more run time than the just announced grip) Will be getting the grip thou in August for land based shooting. Very useful! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 9, 2019 Richard, Please let us know your feedback on the camera once you get it wet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 9, 2019 Initial observations using the camera body at my desk: Overall, its a massive step back from all the goodies from the GH series, its quite a different beast - but the more I play with it, the more you can see why these are classed as cinematic cameras, not just in terms of color and picture quality, but also in functionality. Below are my general comments, in no particular order. 1. Buttons + Nice feel - Only one jog wheel + dedicated ISO, Shutter and WB buttons + Auto IRIS button (a bit like one-touch AE) - Limited function access using purely hardware buttons and single wheel. 2. Screen + very sharp and clear + Lovely clean layout, unlike the cluttered GH5 - Not bright (500nits I believe) + Touchscreen responsive + Focus Assist very response and clean + Ability to output different things to HDMI than the builtin screen (very handy) 3. Functions / Features+ Single press AF, is fast enough and seems reliable - Auto AE it seems to be using centre weighted. - Unable to set WB Tint using jog dial - No Waveform Monitor - only Histrogram - Live Crop-in - only seems to do 2x - Takes a few seconds to boot up - Runs warm + Customisable F1,F2,F3 buttons - lots of options + Ability to set a Manual WB, but holding down the WB button - takes a reading from a central window. Hopefully in the water on the 27th April 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 9, 2019 Richard What of the following are available Exposure Zebra customisable False colour Focus Peaking Focus zoom 2x 4x etc Does the housing have a hood? 500 nits is acceptable but are you sure the screen is not even less? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 9, 2019 Richard What of the following are available Exposure Zebra customisable False colour Focus Peaking Focus zoom 2x 4x etc Does the housing have a hood? 500 nits is acceptable but are you sure the screen is not even less? Exposure - Full Manual - Auto Exposure (using either IRIS and Shutter or a mix of the two, choosing which one to use first) - NO AutoISO False Colour - Yes Zebra (from 75% to 100%) Focus Zoom - only 2x it seems Focus Assist - either Sharp Edge Peaking or coloured lines (which you can change the colours) No Hood comes with the housing - can be purchased extra - same as the NA-SmallHD402 fitting I believe 500nits - is what I'm reading spec wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 9, 2019 Waveform underwater is extremely hard to read unless on a tripod False colour is useful if you know how to read it Focus tools looks great Hood is a must No auto ISO is a significant limitation for me as it is what I use for wide angle will this be addressed as firmware update? Did the gh5s have it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davide DB 398 Posted April 9, 2019 Exposure - Auto Exposure (using either IRIS and Shutter or a mix of the two, choosing which one to use first) Hi Richard could you elaborate on this? How does it work? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 9, 2019 Just looking at the camera manual: 'the camera requires 22W when shooting RAW at full screen brightness on an external media' 4 18650 batteries will give at best 50 Wh so tops 140 minutes. There are no batteries on the market that will give you the 160 minutes that Nauticam declares that I know And the Canon LP-E6 will give you at best 35 minutes at top power The manual advices against using the internal battery and an external battery pack which needs to be understood anyway the pack will do 3 dives which should be plenty for most but will take 3 and half hour to charge so if you need more you better get two packs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hmmm 6 Posted April 9, 2019 Just looking at the camera manual: 'the camera requires 22W when shooting RAW at full screen brightness on an external media' 4 18650 batteries will give at best 50 Wh so tops 140 minutes. There are no batteries on the market that will give you the 160 minutes that Nauticam declares that I know And the Canon LP-E6 will give you at best 35 minutes at top power The manual advices against using the internal battery and an external battery pack which needs to be understood anyway the pack will do 3 dives which should be plenty for most but will take 3 and half hour to charge so if you need more you better get two packs By external media you mean external ssd? I would assume less power consumption for internal Cfast or sd right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thani 86 Posted April 10, 2019 Waveform underwater is extremely hard to read unless on a tripod False colour is useful if you know how to read it Focus tools looks great Hood is a must No auto ISO is a significant limitation for me as it is what I use for wide angle will this be addressed as firmware update? Did the gh5s have it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The GH5s has auto ISO with min and max setting. I find it to be a good tool. But with the a cinema camera you need to think/setup differently. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lionfi2s 74 Posted April 10, 2019 Initial observations using the camera body at my desk: Overall, its a massive step back from all the goodies from the GH series, its quite a different beast - but the more I play with it, the more you can see why these are classed as cinematic cameras, not just in terms of color and picture quality, but also in functionality. And with that being said that is why IMHO the GH5/5S is a better option for UW use. UW video is not "cinematic" it is run and gun documentary style shooting. We just swim instead of running so we need all the tools we can get. Now if BRAW makes such a huge difference then I might change my mind but at the moment if you know how to use your GH5/GH5S you are good in terms of colour too. Don't get me wrong it is a fantastic camera, especially for the money it costs but I can't justify the expense associated with putting it UW if you already own a GH5/5S. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 10, 2019 By external media you mean external ssd? I would assume less power consumption for internal Cfast or sd right? That’s what it says on the manual. I presume external media is connected to USB-C that also delivers power through the cable. Memory card wise it has on SD UHS II and a cfast (weird) i think you can get up to 256+512 while an SSD will get 2TB tops however SSD drives are cheaper than those big cards so really that’s he way to go Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 10, 2019 And with that being said that is why IMHO the GH5/5S is a better option for UW use. UW video is not "cinematic" it is run and gun documentary style shooting. We just swim instead of running so we need all the tools we can get. Now if BRAW makes such a huge difference then I might change my mind but at the moment if you know how to use your GH5/GH5S you are good in terms of colour too. Don't get me wrong it is a fantastic camera, especially for the money it costs but I can't justify the expense associated with putting it UW if you already own a GH5/5S. I actually agree with you, the GH cameras are stunning and it’s going to be hard for (for me) to get the BMPCC4K to beat them - in terms of functionality I can already see it’s not as good - I’m not selling the GH5 as definitely it’s gonna be better for certain situation etc However I’m really intrigued by RAW, 12bit 4:4:4 color and so on, as it’s my main hobby, something I enjoy, I’m going to give it a go! Could be a complete waste time - stay tuned! You never know, you might find a BMPCC4K and housing for sale later, as I do come to realise it’s not worth it over the GH5 - however without personally testing it I’m never going to know. That’s what it says on the manual. I presume external media is connected to USB-C that also delivers power through the cable. Memory card wise it has on SD UHS II and a cfast (weird) i think you can get up to 256+512 while an SSD will get 2TB tops however SSD drives are cheaper than those big cards so really that’s he way to go I've gone for the Samsung T5 drives, reasons: 1) Size / Price - I just purchased 2x 1TB drives for £130 each - crazy 2) Ability to use any of the compression ratios at DCI@60p, including Q0. 3) Nauticam built a dedicated T5 holder directly into the housing. CFast2 cards would be the real way to go, small, ultra fast. However they are extremely expensive - and its seems a dead-end card format, with XQD and CFExpress now here. Just looking at the camera manual: 'the camera requires 22W when shooting RAW at full screen brightness on an external media' 4 18650 batteries will give at best 50 Wh so tops 140 minutes. There are no batteries on the market that will give you the 160 minutes that Nauticam declares that I know And the Canon LP-E6 will give you at best 35 minutes at top power The manual advices against using the internal battery and an external battery pack which needs to be understood anyway the pack will do 3 dives which should be plenty for most but will take 3 and half hour to charge so if you need more you better get two packs Speaking with BM Support, using the camera with the builtin battery and external power at the same time is fine - as long as the external solution is a true >12v. There seems to be issues with the adaptors that take a 7.2v Sony NP battery and convert it to 14.4v. With a normal external pack, it will draw power from the external source first, then once depleted it will then switch (automatically) to the internal battery. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 10, 2019 Screen brightness compared to the GH5 Both set to 100% brightness. IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190410/56e25bdeb73ccdf7490b1a03e74f4706.jpg[/img] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 10, 2019 I actually agree with you, the GH cameras are stunning and it’s going to be hard for (for me) to get the BMPCC4K to beat them - in terms of functionality I can already see it’s not as good - I’m not selling the GH5 as definitely it’s gonna be better for certain situation etc However I’m really intrigued by RAW, 12bit 4:4:4 color and so on, as it’s my main hobby, something I enjoy, I’m going to give it a go! Could be a complete waste time - stay tuned! You never know, you might find a BMPCC4K and housing for sale later, as I do come to realise it’s not worth it over the GH5 - however without personally testing it I’m never going to know. I've gone for the Samsung T5 drives, reasons: 1) Size / Price - I just purchased 2x 1TB drives for £130 each - crazy 2) Ability to use any of the compression ratios at DCI@60p, including Q0. 3) Nauticam built a dedicated T5 holder directly into the housing. CFast2 cards would be the real way to go, small, ultra fast. However they are extremely expensive - and its seems a dead-end card format, with XQD and CFExpress now here. Speaking with BM Support, using the camera with the builtin battery and external power at the same time is fine - as long as the external solution is a true >12v. There seems to be issues with the adaptors that take a 7.2v Sony NP battery and convert it to 14.4v. With a normal external pack, it will draw power from the external source first, then once depleted it will then switch (automatically) to the internal battery. A pack of 18650 is exactly the same of a series of NPV batteries you have 4 3.6V cells in series. Am not sure what true 12V means but I am not sure there are single cells with a 12V output Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 10, 2019 A pack of 18650 is exactly the same of a series of NPV batteries you have 4 3.6V cells in series. Am not sure what true 12V means but I am not sure there are single cells with a 12V output People are using a single NP battery (7.2v) on a converter plate (which takes to to 12v) to power the BMPCC4k (like they did with the original BMPCC) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EFSUK98/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1 However it seems its not enough, hence the warning in the manual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 10, 2019 OMG NPV new style batteries are pretty good but I think for your rig you need some Samsung or LG 3450 mAh cells Obviously to avoid destroying them you need to charge them at 1A which means 3 half hour to recharge the pack whilst the combination of battery pack and LP-E6 will make 2h50. Obviously you are not always recording so I think it is safe to say that you can make 3 dives plus with this combination Overall the things I like the least about this BPMCC 4K are the exposure controls especially lack of Auto ISO and the lack of IBIS. Those two are probably the most useful things underwater where you are not shooting a movie on a tripod or a gymbal. The rest of the camera and housing seems really a good set up. People are using a single NP battery (7.2v) on a converter plate (which takes to to 12v) to power the BMPCC4k (like they did with the original BMPCC) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EFSUK98/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1 However it seems its not enough, hence the warning in the manual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 10, 2019 Hi Richard could you elaborate on this? How does it work? Thanks Hi Davide You can set the camera to auto Shutter Speed and/or auto Iris and with this, you can prioritise one over the other, as per the photo below, it’s set to alter the IRIS and then once runs out of parameters for that (say reaching f3.5 on a 3.5 lens) it will then start adjusting the shutter speed. Or vice versa You can swap it, turn off one etc Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaxiDiver14 133 Posted April 10, 2019 Dont know if this machine is going to work underwater... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 12, 2019 SSD holder with drive in situ. As you can see it’s made specifically for the T5 drive - not sure anything else would fit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interceptor121 656 Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) SSD holder with drive in situ. As you can see it’s made specifically for the T5 drive - not sure anything else would fit Richard did you get a 2TB drive? sorry just read 2x1TB so it takes one and half hour Will you process straight of the ssd and swap the other? Edited April 12, 2019 by Interceptor121 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetrickster 328 Posted April 12, 2019 Richard did you get a 2TB drive? No, I got 2x the 1TB drives. Thought it would be safer. Says transfer rates are 540MBs using USB3.1 Gen2 Write / Read speeds according to a quick test are 420MBs write / 430MBs read on my old work MacBookPro (non USB-C only USB3.0) using the BM Drive Speed tester. Will test with my 2018 MacBookPro (with USB-C) later Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
