DxO Photolab vs Lightroom

[Interceptor121 440]

I have been testing DxO Photolab primarily to deal with rectilinear lenses.

At first sight the functionality is similar to lightroom then there are some really technical tools but what makes it interesting is the lens profiles by DxOMark

The shots that I am enclosing here are 3 versions of the same RAW files, the first is the file as I processed it in lightroom, the second is the same file where I processed it exporting a DNG and then applying settings in lightroom to my surprise it turned out different, the third is a file where the lens distortion correction has been turned off

What I can observe is that lightroom is using the lens parameters embedded in the raw file and there is no way to remove the correction the outcome is the lowest quality output in terms of sharpness with some limited pull in the corners but the image is still ok

The second file has been processed by DxOLab using an optimised profile for the Panasonic 8-18mm lens as you can see there is less crop and the image is sharper with less pull in the corners

Finally there is the same file where distortion correction has been turned off this results in no pull in corners however in my opinion the quality is less than the Dxo Profile. This image has residual barrel distortion in it which has not been corrected

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Images taken with Panasonic GH5 in Nauticam housing with 7 Acrylic port that is the best performing option on the port chart

 

School vs School by Interceptor121, on Flickr

DXO_Corrected by Interceptor121, on Flickr

DXO_Uncorrected by Interceptor121, on Flickr

which one do you like the most?

Edited November 10, 2019 by Interceptor121

[Undertow 31]

Uncorrected 100% - clearly the edges are sharper and there's more image area. Personally I don't 'see' any barrel distortion. I only see edge distortion in the 'corrected' versions.

Really glad you can turn off the M4/3 profiles in Photolab. Many situations (UW especially) absolutely do not call for these 'corrections' which mostly serve to damage image quality (in this case by stretching the corners for no reason).

My m4/3 is just a secondary camera, I shoot Nikon UW, but would be very frustrated if my wide shots were forcefully stretched as LR does for m4/3.

A lens' distortion is its natural state of being. There are cases where its worth applying profiles to straighten lines but at the expense of image quality. More often I find it makes images look worse, but that's a personal preference I suppose. The term 'corrections' I think is a misnomer.

Cheers,

Chris

[ChrisRoss 150]

it would be nice to have the same colour balance between the examples as that distracts from the other differences for me, clicking between them on Flikr is interesting the first one the LH side of the top school seems to be more forward in the frame and more prominent when you switch between them rapidly, but the effect ssems hard to see when either image is viewed alone.  For me  the differences are subtle and I guess the one with sharper corners is preferable if only because the fish are not being chopped off in that version in the corners and I'd like to see it with the Lightroom colour/tones.

Edited November 12, 2019 by ChrisRoss

[Interceptor121 440]

3 hours ago, ChrisRoss said:

it would be nice to have the same colour balance between the examples as that distracts from the other differences 

One of the issues when converting files between Lightroom and Photolab is that the colors are not retained. Apparently Photolab saves all color channel separately in a DNG while Lightroom does not. The conversion only works using TIFF however in this case I needed to process the raw file in photolab first as that is where I can alter the geometry corrections when I then get to lightroom and use DNG the colours go off so I am not able to reproduce anymore the same set up of the image I processed few months ago!

For what concerns the image and the geometry correction there is what it seems a crop stronger in lightroom and to a lesser extent in the corrected photolab file, no crop in the uncorrected

What I understand is happening here is as follows:

1. DSLR lenses have a profile for correction and you can decide as user if you want to apply it or not. Typically a DSLR wide angle lens of good quality has a distortion of 3.5% so in effect nobody corrects it and lightroom by default does not propose a correction even if a lens profile is available.

2. Mirrorless lenses have a smaller sensor and the error is higher than 5% (5.2% Panasonic 7-14 mm 6.6% Pana 8-18 7.2% Olympus 7-14) the manufacturers run a test on a grid and then put some parameters in the lens. This level of distortion IS visible on land images I will try and post some examples when I get back

What lightroom does is to apply the correction parameters in the lens (you cannot disable) and then crop the edges and upscale the image. So even if you have full resolution of your camera the reality that it has lost around 2 Megapixels this is mostly in the corners that look badly

The uncorrected image has those 2 megapixels more and if you were shooting a straight line you would see it is bent (i have done it and it looks horrid) underwater it is harder to see even if the lens has 6.6% distortion as in my example

The corrected image from DxO looses less pixels than lightroom and still achieves a straight line what is good is that you can set the correction to 100% which is completely corrected or less all the  way down to zero where you have all your pixels back depending on having or not straight lines in the image. So if you have them and it is important you correct them, if not you can leave uncorrected and keep the full sensor resolution generally it is not possible to really notice a 5-7% unless there is a straight line in the frame

 

[Interceptor121 440]

Example against a rectilinear object

100% correction 

0% correction

As you can see without correction the barrel distortion is visible

 

[Undertow 31]

Would be curious to see the difference in Photolab vs LR for that image, where straightening lines can be worthwhile. Though its still at the expense of oddly stretching the football & chair.

[Interceptor121 440]

Would be curious to see the difference in Photolab vs LR for that image, where straightening lines can be worthwhile. Though its still at the expense of oddly stretching the football & chair.

I have no upload allowance on this post! Light room looks marginally worse than the corrected DxO has a bit more crop to it and the corners are worse

The pull however is not the correction only is also perspective distortion that can’t be avoided and the primary reason why I no longer have a 7-14 mm lens. At 7mm is much worse

 

I found I had it on my blog

 

https://interceptor121.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/perspective409mm-f-8-20191012.jpg?w=1024

 

 

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[Interceptor121 440]

Additional example of removing lens correction

 

First shot lightroom processed lens correction on clear pull in corners

Sunset Neat by Interceptor121, on Flickr

second shot processed in DxO lens correction off

Whirlwind Sunset by Interceptor121, on Flickr

Edited November 23, 2019 by Interceptor121

[hyp 25]

Kind of hard to make a comparison if the shot is not the same. Can you process the same shot twice?

[Interceptor121 440]

Just now, hyp said:

Kind of hard to make a comparison if the shot is not the same. Can you process the same shot twice?

Just look at the coral at the edges on the bottom 

DxOMark processes the RAW in a different way from Lightroom so you never get the same outputs I have also finished my allowance on this post 1MB!

[hyp 25]

I see the difference. You're probably right, but when I do comparison edits, I really see no reason to use different images. It is quite possible that the corners were already better in one shot. Especially with a difference this dramatic. The difference in the original post is not nearly as clear.

[Interceptor121 440]

I see the difference. You're probably right, but when I do comparison edits, I really see no reason to use different images. It is quite possible that the corners were already better in one shot. Especially with a difference this dramatic. The difference in the original post is not nearly as clear.

The last one is a split shot that accentuates the issue as there is stuff close and far
The shot in the wreck is more or less flat so has less issues
The split is probably the hardest situation for the in built lens profile


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