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11 hours ago, Pomacentridae said:

I do hope they launch soon haha i already bought new cameras and lens in anticipation!!

Good news! What camera did you buy? EM5? It's the same camera I have. Isotta plans to launch a new underwater housing for this model.

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On 12/11/2020 at 5:17 PM, turandot said:

Good news! What camera did you buy? EM5? It's the same camera I have. Isotta plans to launch a new underwater housing for this model.

Yes I got the EM5III.

Here are some of the latest images from AOI. There are a bunch of other images but I can't seem to figure out how to attach it to this forum. Any best way to do this?

Anyways, they should be shipping soon. I am still asking for details on the specs and lens supported, as well as prices.

Yes I am also waiting on Isotta, but I have not been that successful in getting information from them. 

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Thank you very much for your information.

I've also asked Isotta but I haven't heard from them.

Regarding AOI UH-EM5III.... OM-D Mount system; 60M Depth rating is better than AOI UH-EPL10 only has 45M. I have doubts if the housing will have flash trigger.

I'm thinking about whether to buy an EPL10 camera and AOI UH-EPL10 housing.

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Thank you very much for your information.
I've also asked Isotta but I haven't heard from them.
Regarding AOI UH-EM5III.... OM-D Mount system; 60M Depth rating is better than AOI UH-EPL10 only has 45M. I have doubts if the housing will have flash trigger.
I'm thinking about whether to buy an EPL10 camera and AOI UH-EPL10 housing.

I can confirm there is no built in flash trigger. It’ll be a separate purchase. This is a negative for me too. As it’ll mean more things to buy and bigger bulk.

Vacuum valve is built in with USB-C charging.

The EM5III housing they are saying will carry more lenses. I still want to see which ones, for now they have confirmed the 60mm and 12-40mm pro. I see for the EPL10 they only carry the 60mm, 8mm and 9-18mm, which is limiting for me. Once they make the official announcement and I see the EM5III has significantly more choices i might go with that.

But another thing I am trying to find out is the price of the EM5III housing. If the housing costs 1000 USD. I will be better off getting the EPL10.

As far as I could tell with isotta. It might be the same layout with no built in flash trigger. You’ll still need to get those led flash triggers.

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Here are more pictures of the EM5III Housing.

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The housing EM5III have the same OM-D Mount that Olympus Housing PT-EP08/11/14 series. 

For M.Zuiko 8mm PRO lens Backscatter recommended AOI DLP-07 / 08 (8 inch) without extension ring setup for best image corner sharpness and AOI DLP-01 / 02 (4 inch)AOI 22mm Extension Ring when smallest travel size is primary requirement.

I read the AOI Ports Chart and it's also possible to mount AOI DLP-05 / 06 (4 inch) +  AOI 22mm Extension Ring for M.Zuiko 8mm PRO lens.

 

I love the housing design for EPL10, less volume and more compact. I expected the same idea for AOI and Isotta EM5III, it's a mistake to design the housing with the FL‑LM3 flash unit.

I love this solution..... "flas trigger unit", I love it to keep the design compact.

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2 hours ago, Pomacentridae said:


But another thing I am trying to find out is the price of the EM5III housing. If the housing costs 1000 USD. I will be better off getting the EPL10.

I think the same thing.

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Hi guys,

Very interesting what AOI/Backscatter have come up with the Oly EPL-10.  I am also hunting for a new 'compact' 'travel friendly' mirrorless system and cannot resist the temptation of 'sacrificing' a bit of sensor and AF for the benefit of a much cheaper but still good system.

My thoughts

What I want? I want the EM1-MkII in a Nauticam housing + ports and relevant lenses but that costs too much $$$ for me.

Then I thought - maybe AOI come up with a housing for the EM5-MkIII and I can get something in between? Well yes...but no. Unfortunately the retail price for the EM5MK3 housing its too high in my opinion - see here https://www.uwcamerastore.com/aoi-uh-em5iii-underwater-housing-for-olympus-o-md-e-m5iii - also the fact it uses OM-D ports has killed it for me as I own the WWL-1 and CMC wet lenses which work really well for MFT cameras. 

What I love from the AOI Oly EPL-10 housing. 

The vacuum (although I am not sure if you can take this underwater as it is or needs to be removed prior to diving unlike the Nauticam or like the SaltedWater one) and the LED trigger!!! This is insane for this price. This LED trigger will allow you to shoot continuously at the speed of your strobe recycling times and it wont cost you any battery life on the camera. Not sure what the max sync speed is but I guess it can do 1/250 or more? 

Final thoughts. 

As Alex Mustard puts it in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuNwnsabfA you are better off with a smaller sensors/body + good lenses for underwater and ports than a bigger sensor without any attachments. Obviously this is all about how much money you have to spend here. 

I also found the lenses Oly/Pana offer are better value for money for UW photography than the Sony range (in case you are looking at the Sony a6400 on a Saltedline housing)

Cheers

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9 hours ago, Blenny84 said:

Then I thought - maybe AOI come up with a housing for the EM5-MkIII and I can get something in between? Well yes...but no. Unfortunately the retail price for the EM5MK3 housing its too high in my opinion - see here https://www.uwcamerastore.com/aoi-uh-em5iii-underwater-housing-for-olympus-o-md-e-m5iii - also the fact it uses OM-D ports has killed it for me as I own the WWL-1 and CMC wet lenses which work really well for MFT cameras. 

The vacuum (although I am not sure if you can take this underwater as it is or needs to be removed prior to diving unlike the Nauticam or like the SaltedWater one) and the LED trigger!!! This is insane for this price. This LED trigger will allow you to shoot continuously at the speed of your strobe recycling times and it wont cost you any battery life on the camera. Not sure what the max sync speed is but I guess it can do 1/250 or more?

Why would the OM-D ports not allow you to use WWL/CMC?  all you need is an M67 thread to mount them or a bayonet to the port and the port to be the right length so your lens does not vignette.   The AOI FLP-07 looks like it should do the job, but you can't tell for certain till you see the lens mounted in it.

The vacuum valve looks similar to the original Nauticam one with an o-ring sealed cover to keep the valve dry and the electronics are incorporated into the back cover of the housing.  A vacuum system that needs to be removed to dive is pointless and this one looks very much like it can dive.

Sync speed does not change with LED triggers it's a mechanical feature of the shutter.  Olympus cameras lock out shutter speeds above 1/250 when they detect a flash(at least the models I have do) .  Some triggers get around this by by not reporting to the system they are there but they are generally manual triggers as if the TTL system is running the camera knows about the flash.    You can get higher than advertised sync speed with some systems as you only get a small band across top or bottom of frame that doesn't receive flash and you can often live with that if there is no subject there.

On the subject of LED triggers the little accessory flash works fine for triggering (at the cost of making the housing bigger) and if you are using manual flash you can set it at 1/64 power and it will flash and recycle every bit as fast as your external strobes and use very little battery.  It also gives out a lot of light so can trigger any UW strobe such as S&S strobes which can be finicky if the LED is not bright enough.

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2 hours ago, ChrisRoss said:

Sync speed does not change with LED triggers it's a mechanical feature of the shutter.

Just for the sake off completeness, I'd make one comment on what Chris says: the new Retra Strobes (the Prime and the Pro), will allow High Speed Syncing when combined with an LED trigger designed to manage that. As an example I'm using a D500 which normally has a 1/250 speed sync but with the Retras and an HSS-enabled trigger, I can shoot as fast as the shutter will go: certainly 1/2000. Terrific for back light shots.

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