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I had the chance to photograph some of the limited edition Subal D70 housings with dual synch sockets today. Ocean Optics (http://www.oceanoptics.co.uk) has them in stock in London!

 

A handy modification although the housing still only has one strobe mounting point. And something I speculated on in the Subal D70 review that I did back in August:

http://www.wetpixel.com/module-pagesetter-...-3-pid-45.phtml

 

Today was also the first chance I had to compare (side by side) the Subal D70 housings with and without the viewfinder magnifier. I have always said I don't mind small viewfinders. I have 29 years young eyes! I don't wear glasses and I trust my AF.

 

That said DO NOT ever look at one of these viewfinder magnifiers unless you have a spare $1000. The price seems extortionate until you look through one. Then suddenly you cannot imagine having a housing without one. You have been warned!

 

Alex

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Alex, ULCS makes handles for the Subal D70 housing with strobe mounts on top of each handle. They mount using the same screws and holes as the stock ones. Stuffs packed for my trip to B.C. Canada tomorrow or I'd take a shot of them and post it.

My Eyepiece just arrived and I'm looking forward to using it up there as well. With that and the 2X TC, I'm expecting miracles. LOL!

 

Rand

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Can the magnifier be retrofitted to the D100 housing? As an eye doctor with aging eyes I deserve one more than anyone else.

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And to the Fuji S2 housing? (I'm going to contact Subal today - my housing is still with them.)

 

Frogfish

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From what I have heard the magnifier cannot be retro-fitted to other housings. But looking at it - I cannot see why. It is certainly worth chasing up the dealers (or Subal directly, Robert) about this.

 

I cannot overstate how good it is. If your main complaint with your housed DSLR is the viewfinder, this one accessory completely changes that. The difference between with and without was 2-3 times more than I was expecting.

 

The cost for is the big problem. I guess it is a bit like a multi-slide feed on a scanner - the item itself cannot possibly be worth what you have to pay for it, but what it does for you is worth the money.

 

Alex

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It'll be great if a company would develop a viewfinder that would match to other housing brands. A cheaper price would be even better...

Anyone interested to develop such a toy?

 

Michel

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I saw one of these at DEMA last week.....fantastic!....but not crazy about the shutter lever and access to the aperture knob

 

Karl

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now there are three companies with "dreamviews":

 

Seacam, Sealux and now Subal has joined.

 

Sealux is quiet affordable with around 500 US$. The reproduction ratio is 1: 1.1 (Seacam 1:1).

 

Julian

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just wondering, don't these viewfinders look pretty much the same?

 

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Karl,

 

maybe there is more background business between the manufactures than we would think of. :D

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Karl,

 

maybe there is more background business between the manufactures than we would think of.  :D

 

That's possible, but I wouldn't put too much on it. It's a lens. All the Canon, Nikon and Sigma fisheye lenses look similar also.

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now there are three companies with "dreamviews":

 

Seacam, Sealux and now Subal has joined.

 

Sealux is quiet affordable with around 500 US$. The reproduction ratio is 1: 1.1 (Seacam 1:1).

 

Julian

 

Soon to be 4. Nexus had a prototype at DEMA that should be available in the US in around 3 months. I already placed an order with Ryan!

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Some years ago, I paid to have Subal retrofit my Miniflex housing for F801s with improved viewfinder optics. It was a bit of a Rube Goldberg fix - a small optic (w/ adjustable diopter) that screws onto the viewfinder of the F801s, about the size of a stack of 50 cent pieces, and then an extension built into the housing back to accomodate it.

 

But it made a huge difference and was well worth it. Viewing with the additional optics on the F801S was at least as good (and maybe better) than on the Subal S2 housing - as I've been reminded these past few weeks using the F801s housing again while the S2 housing is away in the housing hospital in Austria. The small viewfinder image is probably my main gripe about the S2, which also applies to a couple of Nikon digitals I've played around with a couple of times.

 

One question I have is whether one might lose the camera data after retrofitting new viewfinder optics. The problem with the S2 and other reduced frame digitals (as I understand it) is that they kept the original viewfinder prism used in the F90 (or was it F80?) body, masking off that part of the viewfinder image that was lost. So the camera data is still down there where it originally was, separated from the now smaller viewfinder image. Magnifying the viewfinder image enough to make it actually possible to use manual focus, for instance, might mean losing the in camera data display, which wouldn't work for me.

 

I guess what I really want is an u/w system with a viewfinder image as big and bright as the display in an F100 used topside. It's always a pleasant, wonderful shock to pick up the F100 and look through it after a few weeks using the S2, on land or underwater.

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I guess I'm the only one who does not use the viewfinder! I always look on the LCD. As big as the body is on my Canon 10d- I wish the LCD was bigger! Now if we could only magnify that! :D

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Karl,

 

maybe there is more background business between the manufactures than we would think of.  :D

 

That's possible, but I wouldn't put too much on it. It's a lens. All the Canon, Nikon and Sigma fisheye lenses look similar also.

 

Well, to me, the viewfinders do not look similar, they look the same.

Never seen lenses looking so similar :lol:

 

Even the hoods look the same. But that's of course no kind of evidence :)

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hi everybody

 

I was very enjoyed in august as I saw the first pictures of the magnifier.

My deception grew immediately after the response from Mr Sempert to my Email :

 

The new system won't work with older Subal housings such as the FS2 or even the D10.

 

There seems to be not enough place aroud the original viewfinder to fit the new one :D

next week I'll be in Antibes to check this with my own "old" FS2

 

let's wait and pray :roll: :roll: please Mr Subal.....

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I think that they are the same too! Well spotted Julian. I wish I had known this yesterday - it would have been a fun point to raise at the Visions Conference!

 

Does anyone know if the Subal viewfinder can be retro-fitted to a D70 housing (without one)?

 

If so, do people think that a Sealux viewfinder can be retro-fitted to a D70 housing? This is preferable because it is cheaper than the Subal.

 

(Of course the real question I am asking is that do I have to order an expensive viewfinder with a subal D2X housing, if I can buy a cheaper (but identical) Sealux viewfinder and retro-fit it? But that seemed a bit hypothetical...)

 

Alex

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I too believe that both of the viewfinders come out of the same factory. I own a Sealux CD70 and my review of the housing was posted on this site recently. ( http://www.wetpixel.com/module-pagesetter-...-3-pid-46.phtml )

 

When I posed the question to someone who had queried Subal on this point they informed me that Subal's response was that their viewfinders were produced by the same manufacturer that made their ports.

 

From pricing on Sealux's website the difference between the CD70 with and without viewfinder is 474 Euros; that's about US$602 for the Sealux viewfinder.

 

Sealux also informed me that it would be possible for them to transfer the viewfinder to another housing in the future (one of their's obviously) if the original houing is sent back to them. I posed the scenario to them when discussing upgrades to future housings for yet to be released DSLRs.

 

The viewfinder itself is fitted to the housing in much the same way as any other port. It is an independent component and has a thread which screws through the housing wall and is secured on the inside by a circular nut. I suspect that with the correct spanner it is about as easy to install as a strobe port.

 

Colin

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I do think as well it could be that easy if there is enough space and someone would do the retro-fit.

The Sealux online shop lists a "GD viewfinder retrofit" for under 500$ for the 10D housing.

 

"Alexander Mustard - No longer have a UW digital camera - watch this space!"

Does it mean you've cleared the space already for the D2x?? :-)

 

Julian

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Yeah! D100 and Subal were sold yesterday (sob)!

 

Which actually made me a bit sad. I announced that I wanted to sell them at a BSoUP meeting on Wednesday and I was made an offer before I finished the announcement! And we agreed to swap money for camera at the Visions Conference, yesterday. They have gone to a friend so I can still visit!

 

Basically after Bali I had a gap in trips, so it seemed a good time to sell the D100, while it is still a current camera and I could get a good price.

 

I was intending to do a price breakdown on the experience. Looking at the number of shots taken divided by the difference is purchase and re-sale prices. I think I will ignore picture sales in the equation otherwise it will be a profit!

 

Alex

 

p.s. D2X is favourite for the replacement. Kodak in a distant second place. I do not want a Canon (just a personal preference). Depends on price and low ISO image quality of D2X - I will never move it from ISO100. Full frame doesn't bother me because all my lenses are good and I want the D2X AF! I'm looking forward to seeing the Subal D2H/D2X housing in Antibes - if it is there.

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Does anyone know if the Subal viewfinder can be retro-fitted to a D70 housing (without one)?  

Alex

 

Yes it can. Subal started shipping the housings a good month before the virwfinders were available (in the US anyway). Rand got his housing right before his LC trip and didn't get his viewfinder until he got back (I believe).

 

 

Dave

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Thanks Dave. Now can a Sealux viewer be retro-fitted to a Subal? Or ideally one bought straight from this mystery factory - without either of their stickers on it!!!

 

Plus thanks Colin for the info, too.

 

Alex

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