Panasonic GH6: from rumors to reality

[Davide DB 413]

The Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5 was announced at CES by Panasonic on 4 January 2017. Five years ago.

Panasonic will have a CES live event on Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:00 AM PT. So it's either tomorrow or the CP+ show in late february.

Confirmed specs in the image.But everyone agrees that it will all come down to whether the new camera use the Phase Detect autofocus method.

[hyp 104]

The release date in the confirmed specs is not correct though…

[Davide DB 413]

Yesterday I was expecting a camera, I got a microwave oven.

All postponed to CP+ in Japan at the end of February

[TimG 62]

1 hour ago, Davide DB said:

Yesterday I was expecting a camera, I got a microwave oven.

 

Any thought on lens selection and u/w housing?

[Davide DB 413]

17 hours ago, TimG said:

Any thought on lens selection and u/w housing?

Well....Metal reflects microwaves, so never, never, never use metal lens when filming with the microwave oven.

Same apply for the housing. Sorry!

 

 

[TimG 62]

11 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

Well....Metal reflects microwaves, so never, never, never use metal lens when filming with the microwave oven.

Same apply for the housing. Sorry!

 

 

[joncroweucl 9]

Will they move the buttons? Will it fit in the Nauticam GHV housing? One can hope and dream!

[hyp 104]

I think there is a good chance they will move the button, but so far we really have very little info on the GH6 or the next Olympus Camera for that matter. I'm kind of hoping that the button layout stays the same for both the EM1 series and the GH series, but I also think that it's quite likely to change on both cameras.

[Davide DB 413]

 

[hyp 104]

It might actually happen. Olympus also will announce something on the 15th. I'm kind of hoping for global shutter, but I don't think we're there yet.

[Phil Rudin 426]

According to 43 rumors the new OMSystem camera will be using this Sony stacked CMOS sensor. 

 

www.sony-semicon.co.jp:.webloc

[Davide DB 413]

BTW speaking of M43 bring dead, TTArtisan lens manufacturer joined the M43 Alliance:

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/09/ttartisan-lens-maker-joins-the-micro-four-thirds-standard-group/

 

 

[Phil Rudin 426]

Big picture wise it appears that high end DSLR's are going to disappear sooner rather than later leaving APS-C cameras like the Canon Rebel in the DSLR space and M43 leading the pack in the called sub-full frame space. 

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Phil Rudin

[Tom_Kline 137]

3 hours ago, Phil Rudin said:

Big picture wise it appears that high end DSLR's are going to disappear sooner rather than later leaving APS-C cameras like the Canon Rebel in the DSLR space and M43 leading the pack in the called sub-full frame space. 

 

Canon may be phasing out APS-C DSLRs as well. Northlight has a timeline of Canon camera introductions here: https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-camera-rumours-and-info/

Need to scroll down a bit - it looks like a spreadsheet with boxes filled in with shades of green. It runs from 00 to 22. Note that last APS-C DSLR intros coincide more or less with the 1Dx3 intro ('19 to early 20).

Nikon has currently two APS-C Z bodies and it is rumored that Canon will have APS-C R bodies as well. Canon currently has the EOS-M APS-C line (that is rumored to be doomed). It looks to me like APS-C is far from dead and may even lead micro-4/3 in sales.

Edited February 9, 2022 by Tom_Kline

[Barmaglot 223]

3 hours ago, Tom_Kline said:

Nikon has currently two APS-C Z bodies and it is rumored that Canon will have APS-C R bodies as well. Canon currently has the EOS-M APS-C line (that is rumored to be doomed). It looks to me like APS-C is far from dead and may even lead micro-4/3 in sales.

The big question is what is Sony going to do with their A6xxx line. It was class-leading when A6000 was released, but has slowly stagnated since then. 43Rumors has the next Olympus OM Digital using a stacked CMOS sensor from Sony; it'll be a shame if Sony themselves don't make an APS-C camera with a derivative of that.

[Tom_Kline 137]

1 hour ago, Barmaglot said:

The big question is what is Sony going to do with their A6xxx line. It was class-leading when A6000 was released, but has slowly stagnated since then. 43Rumors has the next Olympus OM Digital using a stacked CMOS sensor from Sony; it'll be a shame if Sony themselves don't make an APS-C camera with a derivative of that.

Maybe they will respond to new ML APS-C cameras from Canon and Nikon.

[hyp 104]

With the exception of Fuji APS-C is a sensor size that purely exists as a lower price point in most manufacturers lineups. The lens mounts just are poorly developed and often you need to take the FF lenses if you want high quality lenses. 

While this was also true for APS-C DSLRs they were around for so long that a reasonable lineup existed anyway. But Nikon has the Z50 which doesn't even have IBIS while none of the lenses feature OIS. Canon has a completely seperate system in the M-Series of cameras. Sony is closest because they originally started their system on APS-C and added FF after the fact, so there is a reasonable amount of choice available.

MFT is and probably will be the only crop system that has a dedicated lens lineup.

[ChrisRoss 150]

18 hours ago, hyp said:

With the exception of Fuji APS-C is a sensor size that purely exists as a lower price point in most manufacturers lineups. The lens mounts just are poorly developed and often you need to take the FF lenses if you want high quality lenses. 

While this was also true for APS-C DSLRs they were around for so long that a reasonable lineup existed anyway. But Nikon has the Z50 which doesn't even have IBIS while none of the lenses feature OIS. Canon has a completely seperate system in the M-Series of cameras. Sony is closest because they originally started their system on APS-C and added FF after the fact, so there is a reasonable amount of choice available.

MFT is and probably will be the only crop system that has a dedicated lens lineup.

I have to say I agree with this - they seem like the orphan child,, you would have to think there would be advantages to the manufacturer to have just one lens mount.   Lack of new APS-C lenses has long been a complaint with CaNikon offerings and they have been mostly kit lenses and Canon have recently dropped a number of APS-C lenses from the lineup including the 60mm macro and 10-22mm zoom.  The EOS M range is also quite limited.  Canon now have 4 lens mounts and I can see this being consolidated.

[Barmaglot 223]

Sony has been pretty decent about releasing APS-C lenses; the 16-55mm f/2.8 and 70-350mm f/4.5-6.3 came out not that long ago. There's also good support for E-mount from 3rd party manufacturers, such as Sigma and Tamron.

[Davide DB 413]

If confirmed, really a bad news for me:

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-just-to-be-clear-the-panasonic-gh6-still-has-no-phase-detection-autofocus/

[hyp 104]

Not totally surprising though. Panasonic has been pretty stubborn on this, as they are convinced their method is technically superior (which it is, but unfortunately not with the amount of processing in their cameras). Maybe it will actually be good in the GH6. I won't shoot it down before people have thoroughly tested, but it probably won't be Sony levels of AF.

[Davide DB 413]

Huge leak from https://digicame-info.com/2022/02/gh6-10.html

Camera dimension is huge. It seems a S1H. Even a fan!

• 4K120p 4: 2: 0 10 bit 300 Mbps
• 4K 60p 4: 2: 2 10 bit 800 Mbps /
• 600 Mbps 5,7 K 60p 4: 2: 0 10
• bit 300 Mbps C4K 120p 4: 2: 0 10 bit 300 Mbps
• C4K 60p 4: 2: 2 10 bit 800 Mbps / 600 Mbps Apple ProRes and MP4, MOV 5.7K 30p Apple ProRes 422 HQ 1.9 Gbps

 

• 25 million pixel PLF-less sensor
• High resolution shooting of 100 million pixels
• 5.7K video
• Sensor readout up to 300fps
• High-speed readout of 120 fps at 4K resolution
• Rolling shutter suppression
• Computational processing capacity is about double
• New intelligent details New 2D noise reduction High-performance 3D-NR (video) Improved AF performance Processing speed is 3 times faster than before DFD performance has evolved
• New recording mode 4K120p 4: 2: 0 10bit 300Mbps 4K 60p 4: 2: 2 10bit 800Mbps / 600Mbps 5.7K 60p 4: 2: 0 10bit 300Mbps C4K 120p 4: 2: 0 10bit 300Mbps C4K 60p 4: 2: 2 10bit 800Mbps / 600Mbps Recording file method supports Apple ProRes in addition to MP4 and MOV 5.7K 30p Apple ProRes 422 HQ 1.9Gbps
• Card slot: CFexpress TypeB slot, UHSII compatible SD card slot Weight: 739g
• Dynamic range boost function: It is possible to shoot a wide dynamic range image at a maximum of 60 fps by synthesizing an overexposed image and an underexposed image in real time. Achieves a dynamic range of up to 13+ stops approaching the full size. The minimum ISO sensitivity is 800, and when using V-log it is 2000, so an ND filter is essential. Image stabilization: Adopts an ultra-high performance gyro sensor and a new algorithm, and has a correction effect equivalent to 7.5 steps. Smooth image stabilization that is ideal for movies. Dark place performance: High-sensitivity noise is much suppressed compared to GH5II while increasing the number of pixels. It can be used normally up to ISO3200. Built-in microphone evolved from 16bit to 24bit. 4 channels can be recorded when using an XLR adapter. Phase-difference AF is not installed, but AF is much better. The AF calculation speed has tripled, the background omission and tracking performance have been greatly improved, and the AF speed has also become considerably faster. There are 315 AF points in the full area. Human, face / pupil, animal + human subject recognition can be used in all AF modes. The focus range can be set with the focus limiter.

If confirmed, video codec specs are these:

 

 

 

 

[hyp 104]

Definitely won't fit into old housings.

[benedika 110]

Definitely won't fit into old housings.

Would be too good to be true