cmm1970 1 Posted April 18, 2005 I just returned from Bonaire. It was a mixed week of diving with a story I wanted to share. In the last year, I assembled two DSLR rigs. One Aquatica S2 and the other a Sea and Sea DX-70. Both had dual Inon storbes and the works. Following the lead of many posters here on the board and that of the agent who sold me the Aquatica rig, I packed them carefully in Pelican 1610 cases. I put no camera or scuba related stickers on the cases and I secured them with TSA approved locks. We departed last Saturday for Bonaire on American Airlines. We laid over in San Jaun and then flew via Turbo prop the next day. This overnight was the usual unexpected delay. Our bags did not make it to Bonaire until the following evening. All four bags made it, but one Pelican case had its lock cut and had been cherry picked for the housing, gears, and ports. OK, so we still had one rig to use in Bonaire and had a pretty good time. We left for Austin the following Sunday and our bags did not make the connection in Dallas. When they were delivered today, guess what? Both Pelican cases made it home, but the Aquatica rig was no longer in the case nor were the ports, gears, or strobes. This has made me very sad to say the least. Most of it was insured, but that still does not make it OK. I wanted you all to hear this story because I feel certain that the "expensive nature" of things enclosed in Pelican cases made these high value targets in the San Juan airport. Be warned if you are traveling with your rigs in one of these cases. They must scream "TAKE ME, I can be sold on eBay". For future flights, once we have recovered from this theft and reassembled our kits, we will not be packing in Pelicans. I will be carrying my housing on the flight along with my lenses and computer. What else can you do? I hope this helps some of you not experience the loss that I did in the last week. Sherri and I are devastated at the total lack of security and regard the airlines have for their passengers that pay thousands of dollars to fly with them. Best regards all, Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdietz 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Yikes....I hate to hear stories like this.....makes me appreciate all the trips I've made without a hitch.....guess it can happen to anyone at anytime Thanks for the heads up Karl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Man, that is terrible! Not only did you have adventures in travel, missing flights and luggage, but to have stuff stolen right out of your locked boxes :-( Not to go on a rant here, but it seems like AA is always having problems like this. I haven't had anything stolen yet and I try to avoid flying AA if I can. Cheers James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detonate 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Ouch. That really sucks. I use one of the Storm Cases that is made to fit in a carry-on size compartment. I pack my housing, strobes, ports in there. And then I have a Camerea/Laptop backpack for my camera bodies and lenses. Just be prepared for long delays in the security line after they X-ray your storm case. :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeaDogDiver 0 Posted April 18, 2005 I'm really sorry to hear about your experience! Beyond your personal loss, what makes me really upset is what a one-way street this seems to be with the airlines. We all need to play by the rules and submit to all the security, but the airlines cannot maintain security over their own employees. Seems that we can't walk in witout several checks, but employees are able to walk out with things that don't belong to them!! A sad comentary on an industry! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthp 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Crickey! Seems like there isn't really much you can do except take out insurance, and as james suggests - perhaps not fly AA! Thanks for the warning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenp 0 Posted April 19, 2005 That is really unfortunate! There's nothing more infuriating and devastating than having equipment stolen out of locked bags. I have always struggled with checking my pelican case - I can carry it on but this means I'm also carrying on my regulator, DSLR camera and lenses plus my flight amenities. This makes for *very* heavy carryon without wheels. One thing I have done is that I put my pelican case inside another suitcase and use clothing to fill in any gaps. While this won't deter someone who may open my bag, it at least doesn't call attention to itself from the get go. This of course is not secure and I don't stop fretting about it until I actually pick up my bags. Having good insurance will help take the sting out of it but it's always an inconvenience. Interesting that people have had bad experiences with AA. I fly them almost exclusively and have not had any issues yet... I'm traveling to Hawaii next month on American so I will think very carefully about how to pack my gear for this trip. Thanks for sharing. Karen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmm1970 1 Posted April 19, 2005 In all honesty, I think the problem was with the staff of American Eagle in the San Juan airport. Too much conincidence that one camera was stolen on the flight there and one was stolen on the flight back. It is almost like they were looking for the second case when it came back through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yahsemtough 0 Posted April 19, 2005 Man, that sucks. I would go balistic on the airline. They tell you that you can't lock your stuff now for search but it is a smorg for theives in the back. Watch EBAY maybe it will show up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmm1970 1 Posted April 19, 2005 Both Pelican cases had TSA approved locks. They were removed. Either cut or the operator had a key. Bottom line is that if they decide they want it, they get it. Ack! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starbuck 0 Posted April 19, 2005 Wow. Thanks for posting. I just bought a storm case to travel with to Indonesia but I think Im just gonna pack like I ususally do. One pelican and one tamrac computer backpack in the overheads holding 2 d70's.. I've had problems with other airlines and late luggage.. I dont think it is airline specific but airport specific. My wife and I have noticed big problems with certain carriers at certain hubs.....and now try to avoid them. M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timing 0 Posted April 19, 2005 This really sucks. Why not have a list of suspect airports / airports that you avoid / have had troubles? Of course, given our litigious times this may not be allowable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CeeDave 0 Posted April 19, 2005 Sorry to hear of your bad news. When I use my Pelican case, it travels inside my dive duffle, wrapped in neoprene. Of course, TSA and others can still find it, and I could still suffer a loss -- but it does make it scream "steal me" a bit less. Condolences, Chris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scubag 0 Posted April 19, 2005 Sorry to hear of your losses, I fly with American at least 20 flights a year, and up until quite recently, I flew through San Juan to St Croix on a regular basis. I've never had a loss. The only difference is that I never check my cameras and housings. The cameras go into a Lowepro soft shoulder bag and the housings, ports, strobes and laptop etc go into a wheeled carry on bag that fits in the overhead compartment. The only things I check in are clothes and my beat to hell looking (but perfectly serviced and working) dive gear. Doug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackConnick 76 Posted April 19, 2005 A friend of mine years ago used to pack his gear into a cooler and paint red crosses on it with large stencils: "Human Transplant Organs. Do not open or delay". Or the old asia travelers' trick: Pack you expensive items inside a duffle wrapped by all your most smelly clothes and underwear! But seriously, sorry for your loss. I hope you ream AA a good one, maybe if they know about the loss they can do something about it. A polite, but firm, letter asking for compensation above and beyond insurance might net you a travel voucher or something. I think the days of checking Pelicans is over for me. They do make a new one that just meets airline rules and has wheels. But I think the LoewPro, soft baggage carry-on is the way to go. Jack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex_Mustard 0 Posted April 19, 2005 What a horrible story, Mike. I do hope that you give the airline a hard time and get compensation. During the last two years I have twice had my aluminium case (similar in size to a Pelican) go missing on flights when my other bag - a big green holdall has come through. Finally at the beginning of this year I decided that the ali box attracted far too much attention and now my housing, ports and strobes travel in a hard plastic suitcase - that looks like everyone elses. May not be as strong as a pelican or an ali box. But I am hoping that it won't attract the attention either. After reading your story I am glad that I have. Alex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmm1970 1 Posted April 19, 2005 I planned to adopt your strategy entirely. I love the cool look and bullet proof nature of the Pelican, Storm, and Aliminum cases, but they attract too much attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fforbes 7 Posted April 19, 2005 Some airports are notorious for theft. A few months ago 5 TSA agents were arrested for stealing cameras and jewelry from checked bags at Ft. Lauderdale airport, and the 5 ratted on several more TSA agents. Hiding stuff in old clothes etc doesn't work too well any more, TSA xrays all the checked bags, especially the "heavy metal" bags. It infuriates me that the airlines & airports get away with next to no liability for property that is in their care, custody, and control. If they were legally liable for the thefts, they would monitor the baggage areas with cameras. As it is, it's not their problem so too bad for you. I can't stuff all my gear in 2 carry-ons, I just worry the whole trip and open up the cases on the spot as they come off the carosel. BTW, it was no cooincidence that your luggage was delayed and then jacked. They needed time to move your bag to a place where they could paw through it. It really sucks, and you have no recourse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyC 0 Posted April 19, 2005 Greetings from rainy Sydney. Sorry to hear of your loss, that is a terrible way to start and finish a trip. Personally I have travelled all over the Pacific using Pelicans and never had a problem - PNG, Vanuatu, Fiji & the Solomons. Although I did take care to scrub the large "SEA & SEA" logo that screamed "open me" when I took delivery of one of my Pelicans. I couldn't help but wonder after reading this thread yesterday because immediately before my daily dose of WetPixel I had just finished my daily eBay sweep and found the following item for auction that seemed to be listed for a pretty cheap price... particularly the "Buy it Now" option. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7509481367&rd=1 I found it very co-incidental and don't mean to cast aspersions on what may be a legitimate sell, but as per above I couldn't help but wonder upon reading of a stolen Aquat / S2 / Inon in your thread here so soon after looking at a pretty cheap (and just listed) Aquat / S2 / Inon on eBay... <_< Hope you are back into a replacement rig soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
octopus 0 Posted April 20, 2005 Sorry to hear about losses both ways. It might be something to do with San Juan. I flew through with a group of friends last year to and from Bonaire. Two different friends were traveling with checked Pelican bags one with dive gear and the other with a video rig. When we arrived back in San Francisco, neither was latched correctly and in the case of the video gear things were every which way. Luckily nothing was stolen, but an immediate complaint to AA about the condition of the luggage was met with a 'it is the fault of the TSA employees not us' attitude. Hope all turns out well for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReefRoamer 1 Posted April 20, 2005 A very sad story. And also quite freightening. Think about this: if airport bag handlers or TSA people can take stuff OUT of your bags, what can they put IN? Keep in mind that ABC did a survey of TSA agents at the NYC airports and found that more than half of them had criminal records. This is the security system that we taxpayers have bought and paid for. And it's no better, by the government's own accounting (reported this weekend) than the one it replaced. Just 50,000 more people on the federal payroll now in the TSA. How easy would it be for a terrorist to gain employment by an airline's bag-handling contractor? Open a Pelican case, remove a housing, replace it with another device and send it on its way. Sleep well on your next flight, friends. And by the way, I recommend people not waste their money on the so-called TSA approved locks. Since their is usually just one key kept somewhere in the airport, the agents don't actually each have a key. If they are conscientious and not in a hurry, they MAY go find the key to open the TSA locks. But most of the time, they just cut them off. Also, the TSA locks I have seen are cheap and a couple I bought simply twisted open during routne baggage handling. I just use zip ties, which allow me to tell immediately if my bags have been opened. They keep the latches from accidentally opening, and they are as secure as the most expensive locks. I would certainly lodge a strong complaint with the TSA and write my congressman concerning your experience with our post 9-11 security. A lot of flights from San Juan go to New York. What will be on the next one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthp 0 Posted April 20, 2005 ReefRoamer raises an interesting point regarding what might be added to bags, in addition to what might be taken out. There is currently a case before the Indonesia courts where a young Australian women is alleged to have imported drugs into Bali. Apart from the obvious question as to why you'd take dope from Australia (where it is very expensive), to Bali (where it is very cheap), there has actually been tacit admission and evidence presented to the Bali courts that a well organised drug syndicate is using baggage handlers and flights within Australia to move drugs around the country. In this case it appears that someone forgot to remove the drugs from the poor women's checked-in body-board bag before the flight continued on to Bali. She now faces the firing squad. Seems like the problem of questionable standards of airport security is not limited to San Juan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red3 0 Posted April 20, 2005 I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. I hope that your images were not taken as well. equipment can be replaced but the images are gone forever. A couple of months ago I flew AA to West Palm Beach to go on a shark dive with the Abernetheys. When I arrived on of my bags failed to arrive with me, the bag that contained my wetsuits. When I went to enquire as to the location of my wayward bag, the lady at lost luggage told me that she could not tell me where my bag was and told me that there were no more incomming flights that evening. I tried to explain that I had seen an incomming flight scheduled from my transfer location that was to arrive in about 4 hours. The Abernethys were willing to hold the boat for me IF my equiptment was going to be on this later flight. The lost luggage lady began to argue with me that there was no later flight and pushed me out of the office, locked the door and disappeared in the back room. I had to go upstairs to the ticket counter to file my lost luggage claim! (there was a later flight but they could not tell me if my bag was on it. What is that bar code on the tag for?) The Abernethey's were great. Jim gave me free rein in his equiptment room and I got suited up in a complete set of rubber ( the wetsuit had Cheng written inside of it, Eric's?). My warm clothing, suits and towels were also missing and jim went home and got me everything I could possibly need from his own closet. He even said that if there was something that he did not have that he would stop at a store and buy it on the way back to the boat. Truly a class act and he saved my trip. I cannot thank him enough. After a week of tiger sharks and lemons I returned to West palm beach and my lost bag was waiting for me at JASA. My flight home was uneventful except for the TSA dweebs confiscating all of my camera tools(small allen wrenches, screw drivers etc) and my dome port polish (shark skin is very rough on acrylic!). They filled out a mountain of Haz-mat paperwork on the polish and made sign it. I figure I'll be sued in about twenty years for poisoning the water table and killing the last manatee. When I got home I un-packed my equipt for a detailed cleaning only to find that someone helped themselves to my regulator/dive computer....the trip just wont end....cost me $1400 to replace that. And these are just the highlights of the trip. They almost didnt let me get on the plane when I protested the TSA Nazi's handling of my cary-on that containted my housing. She dropped it in the table so hard that it made the security area go silent while everyone looked at what made the loud bang. And when I told her to be "take it easy" on my bag she called her supervisor because I was being hostile towards her!! The story goes on and on...... AA....never again....Take two of everthing, in seperate bags and carry the things that you cannot rent on the plane with you..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles 1 Posted April 20, 2005 When returning to Grand Cayman recently (and this story is not as bad as others) my bags were checked in England thoroughly by security, got given security tags by the UK security team giving me the ok to put my locks on my pelican case. My Peilican case was then put inside my other dive bag (which yes is huge) Anyway ... stickers or no stickers Miami deicded they wanted to take a look at the pelican case. So they opened it up by I am assuming breaking my locks off .. and then not even leaving me the locks. They then happened to either take or loose a very handy set of Allen Keys, the air pressure release valve for the pelican case some bubble wrap and a box of cleaning and greasing etc stuff. The bag was cleared through airport secuirty in the UK .. ticvketed for direct transfer which means only airport personel got to deal with it .. and they broke my locks off .. lost or took some stuff out of the case .. and left me a note saying who had done it .. Now security is one thing .. but what about travelers belongings security .. IMO even though there are some places in the world you have to be careful when travelling the invasive nature the people who work at the US airports have towards not just stuff but people is over the top right now. and god damn it i want my allen keys back !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acroporas 0 Posted April 20, 2005 Stealing a housing before the dive trip is just plain mean. Not only are you stealing a few thousand in gear that is likely insured, but you are effectively stealing the several thousand spent on the trip wich isnt insured. You have me fealing really lucky. Travled to Bonaire on August with my housing in a pelicain case. I would have died had my housing been stolen. My housing flooded twice that trip (fortunatly no damage to camera either time). Perhaps they decided that an Ikelite wasnt worth stealing so decided to Sabotage it instead. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites