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Hey guys newbie question regarding the new Sony HD camera, I was at the local Best Buy looking at the camera and could not locate the LANC out port? Did I completely miss it or is there another external conrol interface?

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Coldwaterdude

You just missed it, it's to the right of the viewfinder. I saw your other post regarding your Top Dawg, did you know that the HDR-HC1 will fit in that housing also? It's something I'm considering doing. deepcdiver over on Video University has both and is doing some testing with a W/A lens right now. Although I don't know if you get manual w/b with the Top Dawg since that appears to need a custom hack, not a standard Lanc option. Here's the thread over on V/U: http://www.videouniversity.com/forums/gfor...uest=4287888418

For the cost savings of a Top Dawg vs an Amphibico etc. housing, I can live with auto W/B. Or cycle the camera off/on occasionally and see if it resets. I don't have manual W/B with my present setup and my footage is acceptable through the red filter. It's just for me and the DLP projector, I'm not shooting for the Discovery Channel...

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Thanks thats great news! I was looking at the camera wondering if it would fit in my housing.

I'll definately take a look at the thread.

Coldwaterdude

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Could anyone comment on the white balance differences with the Sony HC1 using manual WB versus the built in auto white balance?

 

I just got my HC1 today, still waiting for my :&M bluefin housing.

 

Dave

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Auto white balance uses a pre-programmed algorithm to shift the color based on the picture. Being underwater shifts the white balance beyond the preprogrammed limits(unless they finally set one for u/w use!), auto wb is usually not very effective in compensating for u/w shooting, even with a red filter.

Do a manual WB will tell the camera to find a white point specifically for the scene, thus it is more accurate.

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So with the HC1 using a pair of HID lights, any guess as to how noticable the differences between auto WB and manual WB?

 

With HID lights, even below 30 feet, is there enough color loss to offset the white balance algorthms?

 

I just got my Bluefin housing for the HC1 today. Will be diving in 2 weeks in Komodo (Indonesia).

 

Thanks

Dave

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With lights, you'll get the the proper WB on the foreground and have a funky blue/green cast on the back. I never did like mixed lighting shots, but plenty of people love it.

Enjoy Komodo.

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The professional version of the camera, the HVR-A1, for about $700 more, has a user-programmable button that can be assigned one of several functions including manual white balance. A simple mechanical control can then actuate this. I spoke with Ike at Ikelite about this and they have added the button to their HC1/A1 housing. So you can buy a much less expensive housing and still have manual white balance, but the flip side is you have to buy the more expensive version of the camera. Incidentally, this is the approach Light and Motion has taken. They were unable to get white balance through LANC and have added a mechanical button for white balance that only works on the A1 version. With the A1 version you get XLR jacks and phantom power, plus a few other nice features.

 

Nice thing about the Ikelite is the removable external wide angle lens (Inon) with a flat port under it. Combined with the very powerful macro capabilities of this camera, you have anything from extreme macro to wide angle on one dive. It doesn't have the convenience of an internal flip filter though, so you need to carry an external one. I think the Ikelite currently has the most functionality of all the housings for this camera right now, and the price point is terrific. Of course, it's not as "sexy" as amphibico...

 

Jonathan

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In my desperate search for a housing for the Sony HDR HC1 I just bought, I discovered that the Amphibico Dive Evo Buddy for the HC1, both limited edition and non limited edition, will not be able to access manual WB via the LANC as the engineers have not been able to crack it, and Sony are not reprogramming the HC1. So there doesn't seem to be a housing available which can access the manual WB via the touch screen, except the Ikelite. Anyone know how this works and how reliable it is? And will it really provide access to manual WB?

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The Ocean Images housing can do it via mechanical controls to the touch screen.

 

But I thought the Amphibico could in fact do it via LANC? That is at least what is being reported everywhere.

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The Ocean Images housing can do it via mechanical controls to the touch screen.

 

But I thought the Amphibico could in fact do it via LANC?  That is at least what is being reported everywhere.

That was what I was told at DEMA but apparently it's just a hack like the L&M version. Still one button but not instantaneous.

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Light & Motion also planned to offer manual white balance via the back door camera restart process, but has found that it just doesn't work. The camera will wb on a blue shop towel, something a manual white balance wouldn't allow. I expect, even if Amphibico offers it, that it won't really work either.

 

This leaves the A1u as the clear choice. Light & Motion's bluefin A1 will access the custom button, which can be programed for manual white balance, making this a very attractive option.

 

Sea & Sea's housing would also be compatible w/ the MWB, but it strangely didn't access the telemacro button.

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Thanks for the info Ryan. I didn't even realize Sea & Sea and L&M had A1u/HC1 housings coming out.

 

I guess I need to take a step back for a few months and see how everything unfolds before I commit to a housing. I was pretty much sold on the Amphibico if it was going to be an electronic housing with one touch MWB and a $2k retail price.

 

I guess that was just too good to be true.

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Hey guys, check this out from Ikelite:

 

Hi Sim, We have two controls on the top and bottom of the touch screen that allow you to touch all pads in the pmenu. You can see a picture on our website and look up #6039.01.

Regards,

Glenn Goodrich

 

So manual WB can be accessed through the housing. I checked out the HC-1 here at Sony Kuala Lumpur, you need to tap the touch screen menu like 4-5 times to get to the manual WB and another 3-4 times to get out of the menu to have a clear screen! A bit dodgy if you need to WB fast, unless you don't mind to see through the words shown on the menu!

 

Anyway, it's still a huge savings of $1K to the A1 plus & $900 for the Ike housing compared to Amphibico's Evo ( not released yet ) and the wet lenses you might already have ie Inon UWL-100, UrPRO filter, etc can be attached to the Ike. Btw Ike just up the price to $1100!

 

So what do you guys think?

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Can't you setup custom menus on the HC1? Might considerably lower the amount of 'touches' needed to WB and get out.

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Just checked the HC-1 again, the manual "one-touch" WB on the touch screen menu can be set to a total of 4 taps, including exiting the menu...so a lot less than I thought!

 

Still it would be akward to do it on the Ikelite housing, through the viewfinder or side mirror, right hand on the right grip and left hand tackling the WB menu and the white slate? Use your buddy? or white fins? Modify arms on ball joint attached to the grip to hold the white slate?

 

Would appreciate some feedback, thanks from Malaysia!

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Would be really helpful for me to have your hands on impression of the Ikelite housing, looking forward!

 

Thanks!

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Just checked the HC-1 again, the manual "one-touch" WB on the touch screen menu can be set to a total of 4 taps, including exiting the menu...so a lot less than I thought!

 

Still it would be akward to do it on the Ikelite housing, through the viewfinder or side mirror, right hand on the right grip and left hand tackling the WB menu and the white slate? Use your buddy? or white fins? Modify arms on ball joint attached to the grip to hold the white slate?

 

Would appreciate some feedback, thanks from Malaysia!

 

Hi Sim, from Malaysia too. Waiting for you guys to test the Ike underwater before I put money down. I was halfway towards purchasing the A1 cause I thought manual WB wasn't available with the HC1.

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Amphibico have confirmed they have not been able to crack the WB via LANC, so I am getting the Ikelite one which accesses it via touch screen. Gates also does this mechanically but costs about 3 times as much..I'll let you know how it gets on!

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Looks like Ikelite's gonna make a headstart with their housing, just curious to know how hard or simple it'd be to accessed the touch screen menu. Ike quote there's one dial button each to touch the top and bottom of the screen. From their picture of the housing back and having it facing you, I pressume that the dials located on the backplate are the ones .

 

Brine Shrimp, looks like we might be the 1st two in Malaysia with the HC-1 underwater eh?

 

A big thank you to all contributors here, it's great to see so many people helping out each other!

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hi guys! just registered and have some HC1 questions ...

 

1. the silverfushhousing which appeared in the beginning of the poll: i dont really care about whitebalance, so i can live without that button on the housing. but how you want to get the HC1 in there? the manufacturer says there is 220 milimeters space. the hc1 is 185 milimeters ... the hc-optimised sony-lens is much longer than the remaining 35 milimeters (lets not talk about the small battery you'd have to use). My question: is there another lens (good quality & at least 50% zoomable)? or nobody thought about the extra lenght of the lens? ... same thing for the top-dawg housing?

 

so if all these housings are too short, what is remaining, if i want lanc-control: undersea miniDV, the Amphibicos ... and? or am i forggetting another option?

 

2. concerning the hc1 itself: for me it is the maximum expense possible. i cant spend more for the cam. for that money (1600 euro here) ... is it really the best choice for UW-Videography? i start getting concerned because of all that low-light problem discussions ... is that just compared to more expensive models or is the hc1 generally bad for low-light ... ands so for uw?

 

thanks for short and simple answers (i dont undersand much of technology) ...

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Just thought I would add that the Gates Housing will have WB controls on both versions of ther HC1 housings.

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Hi Serge

Sounds like you are new to the game. If you don't care about white balance maybe you shouldn't be buying the high-definition camera, the HC1. You should consider something cheaper and more basic, not HD, and you can buy a cheaper housing for it without white balance! Read through all the other threads, there is a lot of information around, and do your own research on the internet.

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Yea Serge i might agree with Marcus here as well. At the moment there is a lot of interest in the new HD cameras and housings but....if you are just starting out and are looking for something small and footage to show the family and friends you may be better off going with a miniDV camera. The editing and processing and the output to DVDs etc is all known and easy with that system. As HD is so new there are still a lot of problems with things like creating DVDs.

 

Have a look through this thread and decide if it is really what you want at this point in time...

 

Thinking of going to HDV

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